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Offline 天籁

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DNS的分配问题讨论
« on: August 02, 2014, 01:41:29 AM »

个人感觉Vote分配很合理(作为第三方DAC,PTS、AGS比例高于社会共识)。DNS令人大失所望,与toast开始承诺的大相径庭。

讨论后有如下补充:

目前一票多投投票制度的弊端举例:若一票101投,50%集中票决定101人无条件当选,剩余零散50%票连一个当选都无法保证【只要其中少一票】。DAC是分布式自治公司,投票方式有股份公司的现成投票方式可以借鉴和套用。一票多投投票方式明显违背股份公司章程,在BTSX中目前还没有导致大的不良后果,那是因为代表权益较小。

这种选举方式在其他不同分配方式的DACS中应用必然会出现的后果:以DNS为例,一个代表第一年平均可以挖到3150万(占总股份的0.315%),这些必然当选的代表自然选择100%自留,30个代表一年下来能拿到总股份的近10%,即所有PTS或AGS总分配数目。全部代表一年下来能拿到总股份的51%,从而控股公司。谁来买单?做不了代表的只能选择离开,最后剩下全是代表,前面的代表做一年不做了,指望后面有人做,后来者谁愿意买单?

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« Last Edit: August 03, 2014, 04:37:06 AM by 天籁 »
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Re: DNS的分配问题讨论
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2014, 01:53:10 AM »
我觉得dns分配,更合理些。
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Re: DNS的分配问题讨论
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2014, 01:54:28 AM »
比例各是多少?

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Re: DNS的分配问题讨论
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2014, 02:01:56 AM »
受托代表的利益在不断放大,走向比特币的挖矿集中化之路。
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Re: DNS的分配问题讨论
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2014, 02:18:44 AM »
What previous allocation are you referring to? Before it was 40/40/10 AGS/PTS/premine, now it is 33/33 AGS/PTS and 33 sharedrop. You got a tiny bit less for AGS and PTS, so what?

Do you mean you don't like that delegate pay dilutes it so much? Just vote for low-rate delegates who will burn the shares... We need a lot of money to develop the infrastructure.
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Re: DNS的分配问题讨论
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2014, 02:19:18 AM »
代表分配那么多,和中心化何异?

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Re: DNS的分配问题讨论
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2014, 02:24:28 AM »
中心化了。。。

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Re: DNS的分配问题讨论
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2014, 02:25:13 AM »
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和中心化何异?

I don't understand that...

Delegates have a high pay rate, but it can be burned as dividends and spent on giveaways / redistribution IF that's what you want. You probably want infrastructure development though.
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Re: DNS的分配问题讨论
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2014, 02:31:06 AM »
70% was allocated to 101 delegates?  The delegates control most of DNS. 
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Re: DNS的分配问题讨论
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2014, 02:31:33 AM »
DNS和VOTE分配都不合理,我觉得最多分配10%-20%给代表,代表的成本很低的,有些都是零成本。他们只要开着机器就行了。凭什么分这么多?而我们AGSER承担很大的风险,投资了大量资金却分得非常少。不公平啊。。

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Re: DNS的分配问题讨论
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2014, 02:34:17 AM »
101个代表(还没101个人,都是一机多号),握着70%的话语权,AGS/PTS早期贡献者却只有20%。这哪来的社会共识,代表共识吧。

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Re: DNS的分配问题讨论
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2014, 02:36:38 AM »
Delegates are paid that 70%   *over many years*. The delegates will not keep it! They will give it away or spend it on things. And it's not 101 individuals, since delegates always change.

You can always *force delegates to burn it* to keep your share.

You could have delegates have 1% if you wanted.

AGS + PTS still has about as much as delegates after 1 year, and that is if every single delegate has 100% pay rate. Most delegates will not be able to get away with this.
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Re: DNS的分配问题讨论
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2014, 02:38:11 AM »
关键是第一年受托代表就可以拿到31.5亿,控股DNS,到时为所欲为,咋办?
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Re: DNS的分配问题讨论
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2014, 02:39:03 AM »
如果有激励措施,竞争就会大,pay rate就会调低,假如pay rate是10%,就是7亿给受托人,63亿销毁了。

有激励措施,节点越分散,101受托人和候选受托人更会交替频繁。而且为了竞选,受托人会拿出所得收入或回馈社区或做基础设施,何来中心化一说。况且,收入高了会有更多的受托人加入竞争,pay rate会随竞争而调整,市场会调整到一个合理水平。
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Re: DNS的分配问题讨论
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2014, 02:41:52 AM »
关键是第一年受托代表就可以拿到31.5亿,控股DNS,到时为所欲为,咋办?

*  You can vote for low-pay delegates so that they receive only a small percent (10% or less) of possible pay. The rest is destroyed.
*  You can vote for full-time employees who will have to sell a large part of their stake for their income while also increasing the value of the whole network.
*  You aren't just giving 101 individuals the majority - there will be more than 101 different delegates over the course of a year, and they also want what is good for the DAC and will vote for a diverse set of delegates.
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