We could be selling .com's and .orgs on a superior decentralised system

[fuzzy]

That's a great test arhag. At the end of the day it can't be a pain in the ass for users. Look how long and transparently ipv6 has/is taking.
The _ has merit imho.

 

If the '_' is the only one that's really possible. I think it's fine. 'Apple_'  certainly has a lot of value because the'_' is so discreet. I personally think if added, the 100 top brands and perhaps 10-50 crypto brands in the form brand_ and brand_com together will earn more money than everything else combined.

Having said that Toast is clear he'd prefer 'BDNS' & to focus on .p2p's as is for the next few months, which is definitely a .bit killer.

Edit: Trying out a poll now https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=734486.0

Really good discussion.  Google+, Apple+ or Google!, Apple! is also a great concept.  Makes it even easier for users because most are confused by .com, .net, .gov....etc anyway.  Getting rid of the TLD actually seems like a potentially great idea. 

[bdnoble]

I've gotta say guys I really like the '_' idea. Are there any other symbols that would work well? Like | > $ & % ?

[Empirical1]

That's a great test arhag. At the end of the day it can't be a pain in the ass for users. Look how long and transparently ipv6 has/is taking.
The _ has merit imho.

 

If the '_' is the only one that's really possible. I think it's fine. 'Apple_'  certainly has a lot of value because the'_' is so discreet. I personally think if added, the 100 top brands and perhaps 10-50 crypto brands in the form brand_ and brand_com together will earn more money than everything else combined.

Having said that Toast is clear he'd prefer 'BDNS' & to focus on .p2p's as is for the next few months, which is definitely a .bit killer.

Edit: Trying out a poll now https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=734486.0

[xeroc]

I want to suggest a caret (^) that would pronounce as "up" . It denotes upward trend.  Sample below :

google^ -google up
facebook^ -facebook up
bitshares^ bitshares up

In france ^ is a socalled dead-key because they ise it as an accent .. thus they need to typ ^ + [space] to get an emty ^

Big drawback

[arhag]

A few additional thoughts on the underscore proposal (it is starting to grow on me):

• It allows us to choose very convenient TLDs (or really they are more like meta-TLDs, or I like to call them extensions) since they do not conflict with any ICANN TLDs. So perhaps we like _p2p but maybe _o would be better (to designate ownership) and maybe we could use _l to designate the leasing model.
• We could pronounce a domain like "domain-name_o" as "domain dash name under O". The "under" would have two meanings: it would be short for underscore; and, it would also mean the name is under the O namespace.
• People could choose to make any of the models they prefer not need the extension at all in their local web browser. For example, if a user really liked the leasing model they can make it so that typing "domain-name" alone would automatically redirect them to "domain-name_l". This could cause conflicts with ICANN names, but if it this is the user's opt-in choice, then it shouldn't matter.
• Finally, in the future, if there was a broad consensus that names under a particular namespace are preferred to be promoted to not need an extension, the internet would standardize around it. For example, if everyone decided the leasing namespace (_l) had the most useful names, they would want to just promote those names so they wouldn't want to type the extra _l. I am assuming at that point the old ICANN names are unused, so shadowing those old domains would not be a concern to users.

[Empirical1]

Thoughts:

* Calling it "the decentralized internet" mischaracterizes what .p2p actually does.. it's just a name->value mapping, not a full internet stack.

I know it doesn't change much,  but I've changed the opening line from 'the decentralised internet, is an entirely new internet system based on a decentralised blockchain..' To 'The Decentralised Internet, is an entirely new decentralised front end to the internet system that is based on a blockchain, ' but I think to most users, that if you're based on a decentralised blockchain giving them and web address owners the advantages they associate with decentralisation & a similar TLD system then it's 'the decentralised Internet' to them, but I don't know.

* I'd like to make it compatible with existing internet infrastructure so that the only place we have to touch is resolvers on existing DNS servers. This means the "+" might not work, I'll have to look at it.

Let's focus on .p2p as is for the next month or two.

Cool, I don't know if any of these things are technically possible at all.

[Riverhead]

That's a great test arhag. At the end of the day it can't be a pain in the ass for users. Look how long and transparently ipv6 has/is taking.
The _ has merit imho.

[arhag]

* I'd like to make it compatible with existing internet infrastructure so that the only place we have to touch is resolvers on existing DNS servers. This means the "+" might not work, I'll have to look at it.

I agree. I think whatever we do, it's incredibly important that we do not break the entire current internet infrastructure. I just did some quick testing by modifying /etc/hosts on my system. Both ! and + do not work well with Chrome and Firefox. Both browsers do not bother trying to lookup a DNS if I do "test!tld". Surprisingly, Firefox does do the lookup with "test+tld" but Chrome does not. Also if I try to ping the domains in a terminal, "test+tld" does work, but "test!tld" has some problems because you need to escape the ! (so "test\!tld" works). For this reason I am really against using the ! or + as a separator in domain names. Also, @ is even more problematic than ! or +. What I did find that works however is the underscore. The domain "test_tld" does resolve in Firefox and the terminal. Unfortunately in order to make Chrome resolve it rather than just search for the query "test_tld" you are forced to put a forward slash after it ("test_tld/"). But that's okay since it would normally be there in typical URLs (e.g. "http://test_tld/blah/blah?foo=bar"). Not adding the tld at the end also works, meaning "test_/" resolves everywhere.

I don't particularly like this approach. All of these approaches seem to me like a big hack to get around ICANN conflicts. But if we must do it, I would be okay with _ being used as the separator. It is already not allowed in the list of KeyID names which is a big plus. This means we could have various different _tld extensions for each sale model we come up with:

• domain_p2p -> Website pointed to by the name "domain" in guaranteed-ownership model
• domain_web -> Website pointed to by the name "domain" in the carrying-cost model
• first-last_key -> Website pointed to by the KeyID "first-last"

Also, all current and future ICANN domains/TLDs would work without conflict (unless ICANN decides they want to allow _ in their TLDs).

[toast]

Thoughts:

* Calling it "the decentralized internet" mischaracterizes what .p2p actually does.. it's just a name->value mapping, not a full internet stack.
* I'd like to make it compatible with existing internet infrastructure so that the only place we have to touch is resolvers on existing DNS servers. This means the "+" might not work, I'll have to look at it.

Let's focus on .p2p as is for the next month or two.

[Bitshark]

+ .. In addition to, more, greater, new. 

[Empirical1]

I like plus. 

Apple mark.
Apple ex
Apple plus. 

Apple+ looks like google +    The only downside is whether or not it is friendly to type on a phone.   


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+ Does seem to be the main consensus. Someone I asked also chose +. I've amended it in my description of 'the decentralised Internet' https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6778.msg90432#msg90432

[Bitshark]

Google+
Apple+
Yahoo+

I like

[bytemaster]

I like plus. 

Apple mark.
Apple ex
Apple plus. 

Apple+ looks like google +    The only downside is whether or not it is friendly to type on a phone.   


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[jwiz168]

I want to suggest a caret (^) that would pronounce as "up" . It denotes upward trend.  Sample below :

google^ -google up
facebook^ -facebook up
bitshares^ bitshares up

[xeroc]

Maybe + or * is a better candidate than ! since + and * already have short words ("plus" or "star"), and visually delimit words.

* could be a possibility. Star is certainly a good short word and has a lot of positive connotations.

both are used in regular expressions .. see wildcard SSL domains *.google.com
however I am fine with "+"
+google

woops
google+ is already taken for a brand .. that might be good for google

then suddenldy we get

facebook+
youtube+
web+

you all know what that implicitly means

*raising hand for "+" at the end"!!
5%+