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BM说可以在bitshares 里面通过bitusd赚5%
« on: August 15, 2014, 08:48:05 AM »

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6964.0

About 8 months ago we started the +5 meme on this forum when we planned to offer BitAssets that paid interest.  We decided to post-pone the 5% interest plan to simplify implementation and make things easier for the market to price.

Today I am happy to announce the good news that we can provide 5% on BitUSD with BitShares X today (or once the hard fork takes over) without having to implement any code changes what so ever.

Vatalik and I were discussing BitAssets today over dinner and he proposed a hypothetical BitAsset that had its price defined as a mathematical function of time and suggested that it would be unstable.    We debated the issue for a while and then I realized exactly what that would be... that would be a BitAsset where the shorts paid the longs X% interest. 

So we can define a new asset BitUSD5 that has a market valued defined by the continuously compounded 5% ROI on a dollar starting the day it launched.  Holding this asset would appreciate at 5% based upon consensus alone and shorts would only short if they expected the price of USD to fall faster than 5%. 

In other words, we can do through market consensus what we had originally planned to implement in code.  If the theory of BitAssets holds true, then this process should work.

The question remains is how much market demand is there for such an asset.   The crazy thing is we could peg to any interest rate or even the inflation rate + X%.
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Re: BM说可以在bitshares 里面通过bitusd赚5%
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2014, 09:08:38 AM »
有点理解不了了 :'( :'(

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Re: BM说可以在bitshares 里面通过bitusd赚5%
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2014, 09:10:26 AM »
楼主好事做到底,翻译下啊
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Re: BM说可以在bitshares 里面通过bitusd赚5%
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2014, 09:19:05 AM »
简单的说就是创建一个叫BitUSD5的资产,然后由市场自己实现锚定每年赚5%的功能,而不是在代码里实现。
就跟BitUSD锚定usd一样。
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Re: BM说可以在bitshares 里面通过bitusd赚5%
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2014, 12:58:58 PM »
 :-X :-X :-X :-X

这越来越那那那啥了.... 等中文了再来看
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Re: BM说可以在bitshares 里面通过bitusd赚5%
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2014, 04:04:03 PM »
简单的说就是创建一个叫BitUSD5的资产,然后由市场自己实现锚定每年赚5%的功能,而不是在代码里实现。
就跟BitUSD锚定usd一样。


张口闭口都是市场,市场是如意玉佩吗?想要什么就有什么??

起个5%的名字就能实现5%的增长,越来越那啥了。。。

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Re: BM说可以在bitshares 里面通过bitusd赚5%
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2014, 04:22:29 PM »
简单的说就是创建一个叫BitUSD5的资产,然后由市场自己实现锚定每年赚5%的功能,而不是在代码里实现。
就跟BitUSD锚定usd一样。

感觉太扯淡。锚定5%增长,开玩笑么。

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Re: BM说可以在bitshares 里面通过bitusd赚5%
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2014, 06:07:34 PM »
下面是答案。这利息是空方给多方的。具体机理要做期货的人来好好解释

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that would be a BitAsset where the shorts paid the longs X% interest.

So we can define a new asset BitUSD5 that has a market valued defined by the continuously compounded 5% ROI on a dollar starting the day it launched.  Holding this asset would appreciate at 5% based upon consensus alone and shorts would only short if they expected the price of USD to fall faster than 5%. 

简单的说就是创建一个叫BitUSD5的资产,然后由市场自己实现锚定每年赚5%的功能,而不是在代码里实现。
就跟BitUSD锚定usd一样。

感觉太扯淡。锚定5%增长,开玩笑么。
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2014, 02:26:41 AM »
BM脑子里想的是把世界和他的系统精确对接起来,把任何事物都抽象成他系统里的一个模型,然后自由发展,实现大一统。。。

希特勒想实现种族大一统,爱因斯坦想实现力的大一统,霍金想实现宇宙的大一统,BM想实现经济世界的大一统。。。

世界太复杂,而这个想法实在太疯狂,现实世界用数学还很难说清,用个软件就更不靠谱了。

BM的想法感觉都是在对一个理想世界做模型,任何事物都可以抽象和预测。但是对于现实世界感觉就有点荒唐,比如这个5%锚定。。。

又开始有点担心了。。。
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Re: BM说可以在bitshares 里面通过bitusd赚5%
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2014, 04:04:27 AM »
下面是答案。这利息是空方给多方的。具体机理要做期货的人来好好解释

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that would be a BitAsset where the shorts paid the longs X% interest.

So we can define a new asset BitUSD5 that has a market valued defined by the continuously compounded 5% ROI on a dollar starting the day it launched.  Holding this asset would appreciate at 5% based upon consensus alone and shorts would only short if they expected the price of USD to fall faster than 5%. 

简单的说就是创建一个叫BitUSD5的资产,然后由市场自己实现锚定每年赚5%的功能,而不是在代码里实现。
就跟BitUSD锚定usd一样。

感觉太扯淡。锚定5%增长,开玩笑么。

那不可能是定值吧。白银T+D里 空付多 要么多付空。金额也有变化。
这个5%怎么可能固定呢

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Re: BM说可以在bitshares 里面通过bitusd赚5%
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2014, 08:21:35 AM »
锚定这个东西说到底还是要看有没有人买账。需要做市商来参与。

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Re: BM说可以在bitshares 里面通过bitusd赚5%
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2014, 09:49:55 AM »
其实就是对现实世界央行建议的最低利率,或者说大家达成共识的通货膨胀进行锚定。
保障bitusd持有者的利率收益,进一步更准确地锚定了现实中的美元。挺好理解的啊
只要多空双方对这个5%或者其他数值的每年收益达成共识,锚定和最简单的bitUSD一样机制啊。

甚至个人认为这样的bitUSD比普通的bitUSD更容易被锚定 :P(模拟的越真实的USD)
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