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PTS何去何从听听你的声音

PTS内置到btsx成一种数字资产:PTS should be migrated to a user-issued asset in BTSX.
24 (54.5%)
PTS切到dpos链:PTS should be migrated to a standalone DPOS blockchain.
14 (31.8%)
PTS维持POW:PTS should stay on the current PoW chain.
6 (13.6%)

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注意,pts英文区总票数54票,就把我们给代表了。 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(


https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7104.new#new
中文区原帖 我忘了开投票,新发这个帖子。


所谓中文社区是个屁,有人来告诉我们这个关于pts未来之路的投票么?
« 于: 今天 03:50:57 下午 »
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27 (50%)PTS should be migrated to a standalone DPOS blockchain.
10 (18.5%)PTS should be migrated to a user-issued asset in BTSX.
17 (31.5%)PTS should stay on the current PoW chain.

PTS原本设计是吸引接盘侠,1年挖完200w,筹码足够分散。光头强设计的垃圾算法,悲剧两三次是有了。一开始说cpu挖,抗显卡和矿机,结果后来cuda的来了,后来ati也能挖了,光头设计的算法,搞不好他自己一开始就在用cuda挖。这个先不说了。

说说这个投票的事情。有人来中文社区说起么?中文社区持有的btsx pts ags毛姑姑算是各地区最多的吧。
可是基本上大部分消息都要自己去英文板自己翻找或者等热心坛友翻译吧。


目前来看 最佳选择显然是停止挖矿,8.21一次性快照,pts植入btsx中
这样只要快照一次,btsx新版目前看也只用发布一次。
PTS should be migrated to a user-issued asset in BTSX.
200w总量,余下没挖的30w样子,分给现有170w pts持股人。
给ags fund 里的pts那部分,stan说过,返还给当初pts捐ags的人。

如果pts切dpos  还需要101受托人+一堆候选受托人,btsx的受托人兼职?
pts转账等还需要消耗pts作为手续费。 随着时间流逝,n年后,可能pts只有100w了,ags还是200w ,但是pts和ags分的股份相同。
这个对ags持有这不公平吧。当初投ags考量是未来pts和ags数量基本相等的前提下计算比例和投ags的。

pts内置到btsx 条件十分成熟,目前使用的btsx0.3.0的资产中就有pts,只是数量不是200w。
只要发布新版,把8.21快照加入,分配,用pts钱包领取,和领取btsx一样。
那就可以在bitsharesx的市场内直接交易btsx-pts  或者pts-cny  pts-usd
多方便。



pts的资金就像个小池塘,水位已经很浅了,还让pow抽水机死命抽水的话,死忠真的要死了。
« Last Edit: August 19, 2014, 04:29:18 PM by sudo »

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切换到DPOS算法
缺点:要专门选举101个注定要亏本的受托人出来维护网络

在BTSX或者ME里发行BitPTS资产
缺点:BTSX是高风险的测试性网络,假如锚定出什么问题,可能会重置,可能会影响PTS,有点像把2个鸡蛋都放进一个还不稳妥的篮子
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PTS如果是个公司,每个pts持股人最有发言权吧,没必要犯贱到16xW~200W之间的pts以pow方式贱送来稀释股份吧
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bts vote如果能早点出来多好,或者pts客户端内置一个投票功能,mmc那种投票都够了吧。


DAC  pts是一个dac,那么全体pts持股人就是股东,股东的利益股东决定。

没几个傻子喜欢这种简单粗暴的pow方式分发余下的股份的吧,毫无意义。
矿工有奶就是娘,忘了2.28前的情况了?价格涨,蜂拥而至,挖了砸盘,3.1价格跌,树倒猢狲散,4、5月间又重演一次,蜂拥而至和四散而逃。

有了dpos的进化选择,还有了直接内置到bitshares x里的选择。

如果内置到bitshare X ,可以直接pts-cny  pts-usd   pts-btsx  ……各种交易对
还能促进btsx的燃烧

你在btc38  pts想切btsx 需要pts-cny cny -btsx   或者pts-btc  btc-btsx
两次转换,暂且不算中间时间的波动。至少得0.2%的手续费。何苦呢。

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切换到DPOS算法
缺点:要专门选举101个注定要亏本的受托人出来维护网络

在BTSX或者ME里发行BitPTS资产
缺点:BTSX是高风险的测试性网络,假如锚定出什么问题,可能会重置,可能会影响PTS,有点像把2个鸡蛋都放进一个还不稳妥的篮子

xts带市场交易的测试了几天你算算,就英文的测试了下,中文版压根都没出,20号就发布了。3i想必是相当有信心不出问题了啊。

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支持第一种,简单易懂环节少,省时省力
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建议做快照,终结PTS。快照之后的PTS不参与将来的配股。给足够的时间从交易所提币。

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换一种难度调整算法得了,比如KGW之类的。

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I said this in the prior thread but I will paste it here for the benefit of English speakers. For the rest, I would appreciate if someone can translate:

PTS was intended to be a distribution mechanism for future DACs. Making it a user-issued asset in the very first DAC violates the intent of PTS. There are very ambitious features of the BTSX DAC that could fail spectacularly, independent of DPOS (pegged assets, for example). PTS should not be subject to the volatility and risk introduced by these features or future features that may be implemented by BTSX. PTS should be independent, both in price, volatility, and features from the DACs that are born from it. It should be the Switzerland of DACs, agnostic and separate from even the market perceptions of a DAC and its features. This way it ends up representing a more distributed and non-biased segment of investors who are not for or against any particular feature of any particular DAC, but who believe in the underlying protocol as a foundation (DPOS). Even the marketing and perceptions of a particular DAC (today or in the future) has the potential to taint PTS and dissuade future DACs from using PTS.

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换一种难度调整算法得了,比如KGW之类的。

白白送给pow矿工有什么意思呢?被人砸的滋味很舒服么?



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Re: PTS何去何从,中文社区的赶紧来投票,需要你的声音。
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2014, 01:01:25 AM »
换一种难度调整算法得了,比如KGW之类的。

白白送给pow矿工有什么意思呢?被人砸的滋味很舒服么?

bts不被砸是因为市场预期,不是无矿工。ppc也是无矿工,还不照样被砸。

全流通+燃烧通缩 对价格肯定有影响。

ppc的pos 数量无上限

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Re: PTS何去何从,中文社区的赶紧来投票,需要你的声音。
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2014, 01:21:29 AM »
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6333.15

Invictus only produces software. Pts is maintained by testz.   Btsx by dacs unlimited

Invictus will not issue any crypto currency or shares. 

If the pts community organizes a well accepted upgrade that would be good for everyone. 

My opinion is that someone should create a user issued asset on btsx. based on an official snapshot. 

It will not be invictus, but I would support moving the social consensus to such an asset if executed well. 

Those that want it to happen should organize to make it happen. I think most would rather see it on btsx than not.   Exchanges are already integrated with it too. 




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Re: PTS何去何从,中文社区的赶紧来投票,需要你的声音。
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2014, 01:58:10 AM »
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6333.15

Invictus only produces software. Pts is maintained by testz.   Btsx by dacs unlimited

Invictus will not issue any crypto currency or shares. 

If the pts community organizes a well accepted upgrade that would be good for everyone. 

My opinion is that someone should create a user issued asset on btsx. based on an official snapshot. 

It will not be invictus, but I would support moving the social consensus to such an asset if executed well. 

Those that want it to happen should organize to make it happen. I think most would rather see it on btsx than not.   Exchanges are already integrated with it too. 

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PTS would literally die if we did this. Did you know that some of the smartest minds in crypto, including Vitalik, are skeptical about BTSX market-pegged assets? If those features fail, BTSX can crash hard and severely taint all of its user-issued assets along with it.

Even if everything about BTSX is an absolute success, ask yourself this question: do you think Ethereum would want to allocate 10% of their shares to a user-issued asset in BTSX (a direct competitor)?

In my opinion, this is the strongest argument in favor of an independent DPOS blockchain for PTS. PTS must remain neutral and independent if it is to reach its full potential and to reach the widest adoption by new DACS - some of which will be directly competing with BTSX.
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Re: PTS何去何从,中文社区的赶紧来投票,需要你的声音。
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2014, 02:15:02 AM »
user issued but  1:1 map to the pts [email protected]  ,no one get  loss.


ags&pts just stand for rights to get honored by DACs using  bitshares toolkit
any  lowcost&stable  carrier is acceptable
« Last Edit: August 20, 2014, 02:19:27 AM by sudo »

 

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