Confused by market order, please help

Started by profitofthegods, August 25, 2014, 06:11:16 PM

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Quote from: jakub on August 26, 2014, 08:14:46 PM
Quote from: bernard on August 26, 2014, 10:21:32 AM
Also, what are the Margin orders? How do they relate? I cant see any way to buy/sell them.

Can anyone answer this? I wish I could but I don't know myself.

Margin orders will execute automatically when the highest bid falls below the call price and is within 10% of the 24h moving average.
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jakub

Quote from: bernard on August 26, 2014, 10:21:32 AM
Also, what are the Margin orders? How do they relate? I cant see any way to buy/sell them.

Can anyone answer this? I wish I could but I don't know myself.

puppies

Quote from: bernard on August 26, 2014, 10:21:32 AM
Maybe i'm doing something wrong.. I cant even get the simplest market order working.

I have some BTSX, I go to BitUSD/BTSX market and say short BitUSD.. I click on the highest bid price and put in a low qty like 1 BitUSD.

The GUI comes back with a red error box in the top right corner saying something about order price < max bid price or something, then my order disappears.

What am I doing wrong?

Also, what are the Margin orders? How do they relate? I cant see any way to buy/sell them.

There is a 1 hour moving average that limits the price swings of the shorts. 
QuoteThe limiting algorithm is   average price * 10 / 9... average price gets updated every time a trade occurs...  this limits new shorts, but strait up USD vs BTSX can trade at any price.   This is a birthing problem... working to increase the average price.

The margin orders are short orders that others have created, organized by the price at which their margin will be called.

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bernard

Maybe i'm doing something wrong.. I cant even get the simplest market order working.

I have some BTSX, I go to BitUSD/BTSX market and say short BitUSD.. I click on the highest bid price and put in a low qty like 1 BitUSD.

The GUI comes back with a red error box in the top right corner saying something about order price < max bid price or something, then my order disappears.

What am I doing wrong?

Also, what are the Margin orders? How do they relate? I cant see any way to buy/sell them.

bytemaster

Short USD Wallet   BTSX -> Short Order
Sell BTSX Wallet BTSX -> Ask Order

On Match:

Short Order BTSX -> Cover Order
Ask BTSX -> Cover Order
Cover Order USD -> Ask Owner

On Cover:
Wallet USD -> Cover Order
Cover Order Collateral XTS -> Wallet XTS

The transaction history in your account shows how funds are flowing.
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patrickb323

I have the same confusion.   I do some test shorts and try to figure out what is happening but it not clear in the UI.

when is the collateral taken? 

profitofthegods

Oh, sorry, so the system doesn't automatically sell the USD for you when you short? I was told by someone that it did. So can someone explain to me how this thing is actually supposed to work please.

profitofthegods

I've just been playing with the new functionality making small test orders, and I am quite confused how it actually works.

I started off by shorting USD.

I couldn't see this left as an open position anywhere with information about collatoral and margin requirement, but I had thought the idea was I then needed to buy USD to cancel out this 'loan', so I bought the same amount of USD. But those USD were just added to my balance - so what happened to the loan? Do I still need to repay USD at some point, and if so when?