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Decentralized VPNs
« on: August 26, 2014, 05:13:09 PM »

See link. Interesting idea that has crossed my mind, but I wasn't sure if it was possible or practical. Well.. Someone has claimed to be able to do it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=757614.0
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Re: Decentralized VPNs
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2014, 06:09:43 PM »
We had a discussion somewhere (annot find it atm) about a DAC for TOR .. so that running a relay or exit node gets you paided some fees ... that would encourage people to run nodes an strengthen the network .. maybe you can find it with the search function ..
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Re: Decentralized VPNs
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2014, 06:29:27 PM »
We had a discussion somewhere (annot find it atm) about a DAC for TOR .. so that running a relay or exit node gets you paid some fees ... that would encourage people to run nodes an strengthen the network .. maybe you can find it with the search function ..

I think that would be neat. You know that people are building TOR alternatives on top of crypto currencies, right?

Darkcoin is one of them:

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One of the future goals is to turn the masternode network into a decentralized business for masternode operators. To do this we’ll add features that improve the privacy of end users and compete with centralized businesses. Our first endeavor into this is to make a completely private tor network within Darkcoin.

The Darkcoin network will begin to offer anonymous internet access via the masternode network. As a user, all you’ll have to do is pay a fee for 24 hours of access. This fee will be paid to a masternode in much the same way the masternode fees are paid, using a deterministic algorithm for distributing the payments evenly across the whole network.

There’s a few benefits to running a private tor network through Darkcoin.
Sybil resistant - Due to the cost of obtaining masternodes, it will be very difficult for any one person to view all traffic.
Anonymous Payments - Users can pay anonymously for the service
Private Network - Our tor network will be internal to darkcoin only. All traffic will be paid traffic, so the cost of running the service should be profitable for the masternode operators.
Faster than tor - Tor has historically been very slow. This will be a lean version, that has much higher throughput.

As for the cost of the service we’re thinking $0.50 per day or something to that effect.

We’re still working on the details how this will function and this isn’t a feature that we’re absolutely set on. We’re very interested to get the community’s response to see if it’s viable .

More info here on Darkcoin TOR here: https://darkcointalk.org/forums/darkcoin-tor-network.56/
Also, their brainstorm of future projects.. I think there are some good ideas in there, but it is mostly the usual decentralized app ideas most ppl bring up: https://darkcointalk.org/threads/list-of-future-development-ideas.89/


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Re: Decentralized VPNs
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2014, 06:36:50 PM »
See link. Interesting idea that has crossed my mind, but I wasn't sure if it was possible or practical. Well.. Someone has claimed to be able to do it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=757614.0
SAFE Network can probably do this eventually. It's possible.
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Re: Decentralized VPNs
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2014, 06:41:26 AM »
See link. Interesting idea that has crossed my mind, but I wasn't sure if it was possible or practical. Well.. Someone has claimed to be able to do it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=757614.0
SAFE Network can probably do this eventually. It's possible.

Yea I think Maidsafe and Storj look promising for a lot of dApps.
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Re: Decentralized VPNs
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2014, 11:25:30 AM »
We had a discussion somewhere (annot find it atm) about a DAC for TOR .. so that running a relay or exit node gets you paid some fees ... that would encourage people to run nodes an strengthen the network .. maybe you can find it with the search function ..

I think that would be neat. You know that people are building TOR alternatives on top of crypto currencies, right?

Darkcoin is one of them:

Quote


One of the future goals is to turn the masternode network into a decentralized business for masternode operators. To do this we’ll add features that improve the privacy of end users and compete with centralized businesses. Our first endeavor into this is to make a completely private tor network within Darkcoin.

The Darkcoin network will begin to offer anonymous internet access via the masternode network. As a user, all you’ll have to do is pay a fee for 24 hours of access. This fee will be paid to a masternode in much the same way the masternode fees are paid, using a deterministic algorithm for distributing the payments evenly across the whole network.

There’s a few benefits to running a private tor network through Darkcoin.
Sybil resistant - Due to the cost of obtaining masternodes, it will be very difficult for any one person to view all traffic.
Anonymous Payments - Users can pay anonymously for the service
Private Network - Our tor network will be internal to darkcoin only. All traffic will be paid traffic, so the cost of running the service should be profitable for the masternode operators.
Faster than tor - Tor has historically been very slow. This will be a lean version, that has much higher throughput.

As for the cost of the service we’re thinking $0.50 per day or something to that effect.

We’re still working on the details how this will function and this isn’t a feature that we’re absolutely set on. We’re very interested to get the community’s response to see if it’s viable .

More info here on Darkcoin TOR here: https://darkcointalk.org/forums/darkcoin-tor-network.56/
Also, their brainstorm of future projects.. I think there are some good ideas in there, but it is mostly the usual decentralized app ideas most ppl bring up: https://darkcointalk.org/threads/list-of-future-development-ideas.89/
with the fact that TOR has all ready be compromised what would be the purpose for using it at all?

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Re: Decentralized VPNs
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2014, 06:34:00 AM »
with the fact that TOR has all ready be compromised what would be the purpose for using it at all?

Well, there is not concrete evidence that TOR is compromised. There is some circumstantial evidence and speculation, but nothing that would lead me to think it is for sure compromised. Whether TOR is actually compromised or not is pretty much anyone's guess. My opinion is that the government is able to reveal a very small portion of the traffic, but are unsuccessful for the most part. Otherwise, I think they would shut down some deep websites quicker than they have in the past.

Also.. TOR has been working on making browsing the internet anonymous for years and are still fixing bugs today.. I would argue that creating a new TOR-like system would be less secure than TOR itself due to the (possibly many) unkown bugs creating a whole new network would create.
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Re: Decentralized VPNs
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2014, 12:31:16 AM »
with the fact that TOR has all ready be compromised what would be the purpose for using it at all?

Well, there is not concrete evidence that TOR is compromised. There is some circumstantial evidence and speculation, but nothing that would lead me to think it is for sure compromised. Whether TOR is actually compromised or not is pretty much anyone's guess. My opinion is that the government is able to reveal a very small portion of the traffic, but are unsuccessful for the most part. Otherwise, I think they would shut down some deep websites quicker than they have in the past.

Also.. TOR has been working on making browsing the internet anonymous for years and are still fixing bugs today.. I would argue that creating a new TOR-like system would be less secure than TOR itself due to the (possibly many) unkown bugs creating a whole new network would create.
you are probably right here. I think it is basically a cat and mouse game. "They" find a whole TOR patches, rinse and repeat. From my basic understanding using a VPN then connecting to TOR is the way to go(if you trust the VPN).

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Re: Decentralized VPNs
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2014, 12:42:43 AM »
We had a discussion somewhere (annot find it atm) about a DAC for TOR .. so that running a relay or exit node gets you paid some fees ... that would encourage people to run nodes an strengthen the network .. maybe you can find it with the search function ..

I think that would be neat. You know that people are building TOR alternatives on top of crypto currencies, right?

Darkcoin is one of them:

Quote


One of the future goals is to turn the masternode network into a decentralized business for masternode operators. To do this we’ll add features that improve the privacy of end users and compete with centralized businesses. Our first endeavor into this is to make a completely private tor network within Darkcoin.

The Darkcoin network will begin to offer anonymous internet access via the masternode network. As a user, all you’ll have to do is pay a fee for 24 hours of access. This fee will be paid to a masternode in much the same way the masternode fees are paid, using a deterministic algorithm for distributing the payments evenly across the whole network.

There’s a few benefits to running a private tor network through Darkcoin.
Sybil resistant - Due to the cost of obtaining masternodes, it will be very difficult for any one person to view all traffic.
Anonymous Payments - Users can pay anonymously for the service
Private Network - Our tor network will be internal to darkcoin only. All traffic will be paid traffic, so the cost of running the service should be profitable for the masternode operators.
Faster than tor - Tor has historically been very slow. This will be a lean version, that has much higher throughput.

As for the cost of the service we’re thinking $0.50 per day or something to that effect.

We’re still working on the details how this will function and this isn’t a feature that we’re absolutely set on. We’re very interested to get the community’s response to see if it’s viable .

More info here on Darkcoin TOR here: https://darkcointalk.org/forums/darkcoin-tor-network.56/
Also, their brainstorm of future projects.. I think there are some good ideas in there, but it is mostly the usual decentralized app ideas most ppl bring up: https://darkcointalk.org/threads/list-of-future-development-ideas.89/
with the fact that TOR has all ready be compromised what would be the purpose for using it at all?

I run a TOR relay but am no expert it the tech.  However, I don't think it's been compromised as a whole at all.  I know there have been few bugs here and there that were discovered and used by LEOs to their advantage and I know there are some unsafe practices with respect to how you use it when you access non TOR sites but I don't think it's compromised as a whole.

I think even Snowden, assuming he is credible, noted that NSA doesn't like TOR.

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Re: Decentralized VPNs
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2014, 10:35:44 PM »
We had a discussion somewhere (annot find it atm) about a DAC for TOR .. so that running a relay or exit node gets you paid some fees ... that would encourage people to run nodes an strengthen the network .. maybe you can find it with the search function ..

I think that would be neat. You know that people are building TOR alternatives on top of crypto currencies, right?

Darkcoin is one of them:

Quote


One of the future goals is to turn the masternode network into a decentralized business for masternode operators. To do this we’ll add features that improve the privacy of end users and compete with centralized businesses. Our first endeavor into this is to make a completely private tor network within Darkcoin.

The Darkcoin network will begin to offer anonymous internet access via the masternode network. As a user, all you’ll have to do is pay a fee for 24 hours of access. This fee will be paid to a masternode in much the same way the masternode fees are paid, using a deterministic algorithm for distributing the payments evenly across the whole network.

There’s a few benefits to running a private tor network through Darkcoin.
Sybil resistant - Due to the cost of obtaining masternodes, it will be very difficult for any one person to view all traffic.
Anonymous Payments - Users can pay anonymously for the service
Private Network - Our tor network will be internal to darkcoin only. All traffic will be paid traffic, so the cost of running the service should be profitable for the masternode operators.
Faster than tor - Tor has historically been very slow. This will be a lean version, that has much higher throughput.

As for the cost of the service we’re thinking $0.50 per day or something to that effect.

We’re still working on the details how this will function and this isn’t a feature that we’re absolutely set on. We’re very interested to get the community’s response to see if it’s viable .

More info here on Darkcoin TOR here: https://darkcointalk.org/forums/darkcoin-tor-network.56/
Also, their brainstorm of future projects.. I think there are some good ideas in there, but it is mostly the usual decentralized app ideas most ppl bring up: https://darkcointalk.org/threads/list-of-future-development-ideas.89/
with the fact that TOR has all ready be compromised what would be the purpose for using it at all?

I run a TOR relay but am no expert it the tech.  However, I don't think it's been compromised as a whole at all.  I know there have been few bugs here and there that were discovered and used by LEOs to their advantage and I know there are some unsafe practices with respect to how you use it when you access non TOR sites but I don't think it's compromised as a whole.

I think even Snowden, assuming he is credible, noted that NSA doesn't like TOR.
Here is one of the articles that I have read that have pointed out some of TOR's problems.Please understand I am not trying to knock or bash TOR but I just don't think people are as protected as they think they are by using it
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/tor-encryption-cracked-nsa,news-17530.html

 

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