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Offline xfund

如何看待bts里的贿选和政治献金
« on: September 28, 2014, 11:13:17 AM »

英文区争议:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9384.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5775.0

受托人给予投票人分红,可以看做是贿选。

受托人拉票团的付出可以看做政治献金。

FUND两者皆备。

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贿选或俗称买票指利用给予利益给投票人贿赂以换取选票的行为。贿选是一种跟随着选举出现的现象,对于一般对政治没有热情或研究的大众施以小利就能得到支持。

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政治捐献是指金钱或有价物的赠与、捐赠、借贷、垫付或储存,用以影响联邦公职的选举。

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无偿捐助”背后的“红利回报”
西方政党及其候选人在获胜后,当政者一般都按贡献大小原则对捐助方给予“红利”回报,回报的方式包括召入内阁、派驻条件优越的国家任大使,以及制订有利于财团的政策。
一个监管的“灰色地带”
巨额的政治献金不但容易诱使人“做手脚”,而且,因为接受政治献金在很多时候与受贿界限模糊,只要没有明显的利益交换和对价关系,很多人都把自己的受贿推到政治献金上,以此脱身脱罪。
合法性与消除腐败的悖论
“投桃”焉能不“报李”?政治献金的本质就是权和钱的一场交易,只要有利益交换,就无法彻底根绝腐败,因此,承认政治献金的合法性和要铲除其诱发的腐败,本身就是一个悖论。
或应探索新型民主道路
“政治献金”是不能取消的,但有效约束它现在看来也是不奏效的。也许,西方国家摆脱“政治献金”丑闻的真正出路在于,跳出既有的选举形式,探索一种新型的民主道路。

在3i的bitshares系统里,倡导的是全民君主。但,问题来了,都是君主,贿选是不是一种权利呢?
« Last Edit: September 28, 2014, 11:24:18 AM by xfund »
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Offline xfund

Re: 如何看待bts里的贿选和政治献金
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2014, 11:16:47 AM »
如果从公司角度看,就没有这么多问题:

投票人以投票权入股受托人公司;受托人公司分红给股东。
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Offline xfund

Re: 如何看待bts里的贿选和政治献金
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2014, 11:30:48 AM »
bm和stan并不反对这种行为:
I am not terribly worried about this kind of behavior because market competition to reduce transaction fees will quickly eliminate the potential for profit sharing.

I say let them do their best, in order to get elected they need to be in the top 101 by shareholder approval and if this is what shareholders want then that is what they will get.

投票人想要什么,受托人就可以给他们什么。
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Re: 如何看待bts里的贿选和政治献金
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2014, 11:55:16 AM »
有个村子,村长兢兢业业搞新农村建设,建的像花园(得罪钉子户难免,自己搞十套八套房子难免)。村民,安居乐业(想超生交5000,就不会被强迫人流,其母也不会被关小黑屋)。

严打一来,就进局子了。

然后,新安排了个致富能人当村长。结果,人家啥事也不管,只忙自己的生意。新农村建设资金躺在银行里没人用,计划生育没人管。村民依然安居乐业。
« Last Edit: September 28, 2014, 11:59:19 AM by xfund »
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Re: 如何看待bts里的贿选和政治献金
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2014, 12:06:08 PM »
BM:
Happy I appreciate the effort you are putting into the ecosystem and hope things go well for you.    One thing I can say is that compared to bitcoin we already have a ton of people reinvesting their fees/profits into helping the community in what ever way they can.

By paying 2/3 to all shareholders he has already helped increase the dividend for everyone and providing incentive for people to take some time to actually vote for him.   If he provides a reliable service then the network will continue to function. 

Lets not demonize people because of a gut reaction to "vote buying".  After all votes are personal property and if you think you benefit more by giving your vote to happy than by giving it to someone else then that is legitimate. 

I would encourage everyone to drop the personal attacks and instead make the case for why voting for some other delegate is *BETTER* than voting for happy.

重要的是:投票要愉快
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Re: 如何看待bts里的贿选和政治献金
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2014, 01:47:50 PM »
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Re: 如何看待bts里的贿选和政治献金
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2014, 07:23:20 AM »
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Re: 如何看待bts里的贿选和政治献金
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2014, 02:59:19 AM »
怎么样能取悦投票者, 就怎么样好. 没什么说的

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