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Max Wright video tweeted on Coinapult
« on: October 11, 2014, 12:17:05 PM »

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Coinapult @Coinapult  ·  5h 5 hours ago

"Great video! Bitshares also carries counterparty risk, though. No such thing as decentralized hedging of USD/gold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL1zCD-urlm3iuJlUhq7Nwl5KuVXVShHKO&v=JAhDUk0r4-0"

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Re: Max Wright video tweeted on Coinapult
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2014, 12:37:25 PM »
Bitshares also carries counterparty risk, though.
Do they say where? I can't see it? Am I blind?
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Re: Max Wright video tweeted on Coinapult
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2014, 01:10:03 PM »
Bitshares also carries counterparty risk, though.
Do they say where? I can't see it? Am I blind?
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Re: Max Wright video tweeted on Coinapult
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2014, 02:39:30 PM »
Bitshares also carries counterparty risk, though.
Do they say where? I can't see it? Am I blind?
https://twitter.com/Coinapult
I would like them to support this statement? Other then the brief transfer from btc to btsx I don't see it and I didn't hear it mentioned in the video.

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Re: Max Wright video tweeted on Coinapult
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2014, 02:39:39 PM »
Bitshares also carries counterparty risk, though.
Do they say where? I can't see it? Am I blind?
https://twitter.com/Coinapult
I was wondering if they stated where the counterparty risk lies .. because I just cannot see it .. what's so obvious that I cannot see it?
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Re: Max Wright video tweeted on Coinapult
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2014, 03:29:28 PM »
Bitshares also carries counterparty risk, though.
Do they say where? I can't see it? Am I blind?
https://twitter.com/Coinapult
I was wondering if they stated where the counterparty risk lies .. because I just cannot see it .. what's so obvious that I cannot see it?
I guess they mean the risk of systematic failure (e.g. software bug -> btsx falls extremely rapidly -> bitassets (partly) uncovered) BM has addressed before. This is my version https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9725.msg127611#msg127611 I'd be glad if anyone could confirm / correct me here.

It is right to say that there is no such thing as a derivative that has no risk. If you want no additional risk hold the underlying itself (e.g. physical gold).
But it is right to say that bitassets have no counterparty risk if "counterparty risk" is used like it is used normally (narrow definition): With BitGLD (and other bit assets) there is no risk that a single counter party could loose funds or not have them in the first place.
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Re: Max Wright video tweeted on Coinapult
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2014, 04:05:37 PM »
I guess they mean the risk of systematic failure (e.g. software bug -> btsx falls extremely rapidly -> bitassets (partly) uncovered) BM has addressed before. This is my version https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9725.msg127611#msg127611 I'd be glad if anyone could confirm / correct me here.
*agreed* .. that's a risk that will not vanish .. at the very least, because the crypto tech in place is not information theoretically safe but only computational infeasible to crack .. however that "counterparty risk" is inherent in ALL crypto currencies/tokens/assets and has nothing to do with btsx

What happens in the event of a "flash crash" was well discussed in the "black swan" thread and I think the solution for this is pretty easy: no yield will be paid for some months ..

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It is right to say that there is no such thing as a derivative that has no risk. If you want no additional risk hold the underlying itself (e.g. physical gold).
But it is right to say that bitassets have no counterparty risk if "counterparty risk" is used like it is used normally (narrow definition): With BitGLD (and other bit assets) there is no risk that a single counter party could loose funds or not have them in the first place.
*agreed*
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Re: Max Wright video tweeted on Coinapult
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2014, 10:00:45 PM »
I love this video. I just think its too bad there isn't actually a way to buy bitUSD with btc directly.

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Re: Max Wright video tweeted on Coinapult
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2014, 10:06:57 PM »
I love this video. I just think its too bad there isn't actually a way to buy bitUSD with btc directly.

try
 https://bter.com/trade/btc_bitusd
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: Max Wright video tweeted on Coinapult
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2014, 11:11:04 PM »
I love this video. I just think its too bad there isn't actually a way to buy bitUSD with btc directly.

try
 https://bter.com/trade/btc_bitusd

ATM there's not even a full BTC's worth at anywhere near market price.

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Re: Max Wright video tweeted on Coinapult
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2014, 12:32:40 AM »
The pond will be much larger if integrated into a system like OpenBazaar.
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Re: Max Wright video tweeted on Coinapult
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2014, 11:38:28 AM »
https://twitter.com/Coinapult
Coinapult @Coinapult  ·  5h 5 hours ago

"Great video! Bitshares also carries counterparty risk, though. No such thing as decentralized hedging of USD/gold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL1zCD-urlm3iuJlUhq7Nwl5KuVXVShHKO&v=JAhDUk0r4-0"

It should be spelled collateralized.
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Re: Max Wright video tweeted on Coinapult
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2014, 06:37:28 PM »
It took 5 tweets but they admitted it's systemic and not counterparty risk

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Re: Max Wright video tweeted on Coinapult
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2014, 08:29:12 PM »
It took 5 tweets but they admitted it's systemic and not counterparty risk
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Re: Max Wright video tweeted on Coinapult
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2014, 04:12:37 AM »
Another response would be to fork Andreas Schildbach bitcoin wallet and instead of a "Locks" button add a "to bitUSD" button.
( https://medium.com/@Coinapult/electrum-locks-plugin-beta-9d8f724af19a )

But we should rely on a centralized exchange to do the conversion because we don't have cross-chain trading yet.
This will give the same value proposition as locks but with new benefits.

 

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