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Adam B Levine - Prove you are not a centralized gatekeeper.
« on: October 11, 2014, 09:29:09 PM »


Ask Daniel if he thinks I act like a gatekeeper keeping out projects that don't follow my every whim, I really think you just don't know what you're talking about and it's very easy for you to know for sure.  Ask them, that's what people who want to know the truth do.

Adam,

You are a gatekeeper.  Gatekeepers will often use a claim of quality control etc to deny others, but you're a gatekeeper.  It isn't bad.  Someone has to set standards.  Yet you are the gatekeeper about what show is allowed on the quite successful LTBNetwork and you've further centralized all this power with your coin.  It is actually all quite clever.  You control a lot of eyes with your network.  It is deserved.  You have a high quality standard with a very well done portal.  Not to mention your personal show is always very well done.

You declined bbx (mumble/dev hangout) in the past because you had some issue.  I agree a lot of bbx shows have not been very good and you could give me a list of things that are faulty.  I'd likely agree.  I don't put much effort into it.  I could put a lot more time into it, but I try to be effective given the time I am dedicating to it.

We're covering Dan and only Bitshares related stuff now.  I've ignored pms from people wanting to be on the show.  In this way the bbx show is also a gatekeeper, but we are laughable instead of formidable.

So here is my proposal for you.  Prove to us you are not a centralized gatekeeper.  We could come up with a few professional shows, but not anywhere near all of our shows.  Only the best ones that have had extra effort put into editing and good enough base content.  So you're only given shows at or beyond the level of quality seen on your network.  Your time will not be wasted with rubbish submissions from me.  If you decline it, well then it will be posted anyway.  We will take our toys and go home.

I understand that we receive value and I would be quite comfortable with you inserting ads in our show and keeping revenue.  I would just like to see the content receive more ears.  Your network would receive an occasionally great show.

I'm 100% sincere in this.  There is no being snarky in this post.  If you aren't a centralized gatekeeper then it seems straightforward that you would agree to do this.  Our show has never been used as a platform to espouse anti-LTBNetwork or anti-Adam sentiment. We have the same passions about the space as you, Adam.

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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2014, 09:34:37 PM »

Ask Daniel if he thinks I act like a gatekeeper keeping out projects that don't follow my every whim, I really think you just don't know what you're talking about and it's very easy for you to know for sure.  Ask them, that's what people who want to know the truth do.

Adam,

You are a gatekeeper.  Gatekeepers will often use a claim of quality control etc to deny others, but you're a gatekeeper.  It isn't bad.  Someone has to set standards.  Yet you are the gatekeeper about what show is allowed on the quite successful LTBNetwork and you've further centralized all this power with your coin.  It is actually all quite clever.  You control a lot of eyes with your network.  It is deserved.  You have a high quality standard with a very well done portal.  Not to mention your personal show is always very well done.

You declined bbx (mumble/dev hangout) in the past because you had some issue.  I agree a lot of bbx shows have not been very good and you could give me a list of things that are faulty.  I'd likely agree.  I don't put much effort into it.  I could put a lot more time into it, but I try to be effective given the time I am dedicating to it.

We're covering Dan and only Bitshares related stuff now.  I've ignored pms from people wanting to be on the show.  In this way the bbx show is also a gatekeeper, but we are laughable instead of formidable.

So here is my proposal for you.  Prove to us you are not a centralized gatekeeper.  We could come up with a few professional shows, but not anywhere near all of our shows.  Only the best ones that have had extra effort put into editing and good enough base content.  So you're only given shows at or beyond the level of quality seen on your network.  Your time will not be wasted with rubbish submissions from me.  If you decline it, well then it will be posted anyway.  We will take our toys and go home.

I understand that we receive value and I would be quite comfortable with you inserting ads in our show and keeping revenue.  I would just like to see the content receive more ears.  Your network would receive an occasionally great show.

I'm 100% sincere in this.  There is no being snarky in this post.  If you aren't a centralized gatekeeper then it seems straightforward that you would agree to do this.  Our show has never been used as a platform to espouse anti-LTBNetwork or anti-Adam sentiment. We have the same passions about the space as you, Adam.

Sincerely,
Gamey

He's a thought leader for sure but not a gatekeeper.
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Re: Adam B Levine - Prove you are not a centralized gatekeeper.
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2014, 11:44:54 PM »

I don't think you understand what a gatekeeper is.  He is a gatekeeper to the LTBnetwork.  He decides who gets on and who doesn't.  I have no idea about him being a thoughtleader.  He does a lot of interviews.  I've never had newspeople lead my thoughts, but that is also a valid way of looking at it.

Proving in this case would be mutually beneficial to everyone involved.  I'm presenting him with an option to have a show of LTBnetwork quality, but with a novel approach to podcasting.  I wish to have nothing out of it except more ears for the content.  I would be selective in what I submitted.  I don't think most hangouts have the proper content to be enough value to LTBNetwork viewers, but some would.

If he is a gatekeeper, then he'll shut the gate.  Otherwise he won't.  There isn't much more to this.

This is beneficial for Adam, Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts, and most of all his viewers.
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Re: Adam B Levine - Prove you are not a centralized gatekeeper.
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2014, 01:58:24 AM »
I'm confused - Beyond Bitcoin is on ltb whenever arthur wants to post a new show, he doesn't ask me for permission.  Arthur decided that he wanted to seperate his effort from the bitshares hangouts because of issues between him and fuzz, I have nothing to do with that.  I don't remember fuzz ever asking to have his stuff on the network, but the definitive thing that gets you on LTB is producing a show, which is a little more work than just recording a hangout with random people.

Are you involved with the bitshares hangouts?

You're saying if I don't include content you think should be included, I'm a gatekeeper by which you mean I am inappropriately suppressing you.  If you produce a show and it's interesting, history shows we'll welcome it because the point is good content.  But that's on you, not me - Next time try just emailing me a link instead of making a public spectacle with my name in the title.

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2014, 02:00:04 AM »
I'm confused - Beyond Bitcoin is on ltb whenever arthur wants to post a new show, he doesn't ask me for permission.  Arthur decided that he wanted to seperate his effort from the bitshares hangouts because of issues between him and fuzz, I have nothing to do with that.  I don't remember fuzz ever asking to have his stuff on the network, but the definitive thing that gets you on LTB is producing a show, which is a little more work than just recording a hangout with random people.

Are you involved with the bitshares hangouts?

You're saying if I don't include content you think should be included, I'm a gatekeeper by which you mean I am inappropriately suppressing you.  If you produce a show and it's interesting, history shows we'll welcome it because the point is good content.  But that's on you, not me - Next time try just emailing me a link instead of making a public spectacle with my name in the title.

+5% for the response in general.

-5% for acting like you are confused.

We shall see !

edit - The problem with emailing you it is centralized and I wouldn't like to repost your response out of politeness/assumed respect.  You can also just choose to ignore it.  It allows you many "outs".  Putting it out publicly allows transparent discussion about why the show didn't make your cut.
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Re: Adam B Levine - Prove you are not a centralized gatekeeper.
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2014, 02:06:46 AM »
You've said that I rejected Beyond Bitcoin, but Beyond Bitcoin is in fact on Let's Talk Bitcoin! and the Bitshares hangouts have never approached me about being on the network.

And yet you're giving me shit, and created a whole thread about it. 

See my confusion?  What the hell are you talking about?

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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2014, 02:11:33 AM »
You've said that I rejected Beyond Bitcoin, but Beyond Bitcoin is in fact on Let's Talk Bitcoin! and the Bitshares hangouts have never approached me about being on the network.

And yet you're giving me shit, and created a whole thread about it. 

See my confusion?  What the hell are you talking about?

Adam there is a difference between "Beyond Bitcoin" and "the Beyond Bitcoin X Shows/Dev Hangouts".

He is a gatekeeper it is simple.

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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2014, 02:19:57 AM »
I don't understand all the Adam Levine hate. Shareholders have a right to ask tough questions. If I were you Adam, I would ignore negative posts, ask the tough questions and also contribute in positive ways as well. At the end of the day, we're all just a bunch of nerds passionate about crypto.

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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2014, 02:20:56 AM »
You've said that I rejected Beyond Bitcoin, but Beyond Bitcoin is in fact on Let's Talk Bitcoin! and the Bitshares hangouts have never approached me about being on the network.

And yet you're giving me shit, and created a whole thread about it. 

See my confusion?  What the hell are you talking about?

Adam there is a difference between "Beyond Bitcoin" and "the Beyond Bitcoin X Shows/Dev Hangouts".

He is a gatekeeper it is simple.

yeah, i'm just going to walk away from this conversation at this point.  I'll say it one more time - Unless I've completely forgotten, the beyond bitcoin x show/dev hangouts (or as I call them the bitshares hangouts since they are specifically about bitshares and the name is confusing) has never asked to be on the network, and they certainly never submitted an episode through our open submission system.  They could do that literally today and then I'd have to make a choice about whether or not it was good enough.

But they've never done that.   So if I've never rejected them, and the part of the Beyond Bitcoin show that DID want to be on the network IS on the network for 10+ episodes with no oversight, etc.....

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2014, 02:26:37 AM »
You've said that I rejected Beyond Bitcoin, but Beyond Bitcoin is in fact on Let's Talk Bitcoin! and the Bitshares hangouts have never approached me about being on the network.

And yet you're giving me shit, and created a whole thread about it. 

See my confusion?  What the hell are you talking about?

Adam there is a difference between "Beyond Bitcoin" and "the Beyond Bitcoin X Shows/Dev Hangouts".

He is a gatekeeper it is simple.

yeah, i'm just going to walk away from this conversation at this point.  I'll say it one more time - Unless I've completely forgotten, the beyond bitcoin x show/dev hangouts (or as I call them the bitshares hangouts since they are specifically about bitshares and the name is confusing) has never asked to be on the network, and they certainly never submitted an episode through our open submission system.  They could do that literally today and then I'd have to make a choice about whether or not it was good enough.

But they've never done that.   So if I've never rejected them, and the part of the Beyond Bitcoin show that DID want to be on the network IS on the network for 10+ episodes with no oversight, etc.....

sheesh

That is not what im referring to as a gatekeeper.

You decide what questions go on or not, "the Beyond Bitcoin X Show/dev hangouts" anyone can ask questions in the shows.  Yours are centralized with certain questions being asked or not based on what you feel should be asked essentially a gatekeeper.

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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2014, 02:28:50 AM »
You've said that I rejected Beyond Bitcoin, but Beyond Bitcoin is in fact on Let's Talk Bitcoin! and the Bitshares hangouts have never approached me about being on the network.

And yet you're giving me shit, and created a whole thread about it. 

See my confusion?  What the hell are you talking about?

My perspective -  At some point you told Fuz something about you not wanting Bitcoin hangouts for some reason I don't quite recall.  I would have to paraphrase you which I won't do.  At some point we got into a little argument.  Someone pm'd us at the same time and we started bickering.  You ended it by responding to me and then going on the forum asking how to ignore people.  When I got around to responding to you it wouldn't let me!  It is obvious we're not going to be friends.  Now you act like you have no clue who I am.  See my confusion !?!

Given that background, approaching you in private is most assuredly going nowhere.  That is because you are a gatekeeper of a large set of eyes and a very successful news portal to the crypto scene.  You've successfully centralized crypto news with the concept of a "network" which is not even needed in the internet space.  (I am not entirely sure about centralized, just going off Arthur's views on soundcloud, I know of a few others, Cristof (sp?))  You deserve it, but I have to call you what it appears to be.  No worries.  We'll see if I am wrong.  I don't want any money/name fame so there is no negotiations that need to be held privately AFAIK.  I just want your users to have a chance to listen to what might be some interesting content. 

This actually behooves me to make a better show.  Thank you !

Again, I'm not even sure I'll feel motivated enough but it would be interesting to see you explain to me what is wrong with the show.  I like critiques though.  Take care.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2014, 02:32:16 AM »


Ahh I see there must be a submission method.  I'll look into it then.  That's my laziness, but from my memory we'd already been turned down informally, so I never bothered to look further.  Apparently I am wrong about my memory too.  Cool !
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2014, 02:35:01 AM »
You've said that I rejected Beyond Bitcoin, but Beyond Bitcoin is in fact on Let's Talk Bitcoin! and the Bitshares hangouts have never approached me about being on the network.

And yet you're giving me shit, and created a whole thread about it. 

See my confusion?  What the hell are you talking about?

My perspective -  At some point you told Fuz something about you not wanting Bitcoin hangouts for some reason I don't quite recall.  I would have to paraphrase you which I won't do.  At some point we got into a little argument.  Someone pm'd us at the same time and we started bickering.  You ended it by responding to me and then going on the forum asking how to ignore people.  When I got around to responding to you it wouldn't let me!  It is obvious we're not going to be friends.  Now you act like you have no clue who I am.  See my confusion !?!

Given that background, approaching you in private is most assuredly going nowhere.  That is because you are a gatekeeper of a large set of eyes and a very successful news portal to the crypto scene.  You've successfully centralized crypto news with the concept of a "network" which is not even needed in the internet space.  (I am not entirely sure about centralized, just going off Arthur's views on soundcloud, I know of a few others, Cristof (sp?))  You deserve it, but I have to call you what it appears to be.  No worries.  We'll see if I am wrong.  I don't want any money/name fame so there is no negotiations that need to be held privately AFAIK.  I just want your users to have a chance to listen to what might be some interesting content. 

This actually behooves me to make a better show.  Thank you !

Again, I'm not even sure I'll feel motivated enough but it would be interesting to see you explain to me what is wrong with the show.  I like critiques though.  Take care.

Hes not going to critique your shows because hes not going to help out a competitor or he just has nothing negative to say.  Gamey as you are now in charge of the shows its also about distribution which you will need to think hard about in terms of getting the eyeballs.

It is good that he is behooving you, make things the best and defeat this guy.

When you plead confusion it makes people think the other person does not know what they are talking about.  A gatekeeper mentality.  He holds the keys so he can say if your on the list to get in or not, confusion is denial, meaning your not getting in.

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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2014, 02:40:44 AM »

Hes not going to critique your shows because hes not going to help out a competitor or he just has nothing negative to say.  Gamey as you are now in charge of the shows its also about distribution which you will need to think hard about in terms of getting the eyeballs.

It is good that he is behooving you, make things the best and defeat this guy.

When you plead confusion it makes people think the other person does not know what they are talking about.  A gatekeeper mentality.  He holds the keys so he can say if your on the list to get in or not, confusion is denial, meaning your not getting in.

First off Adam is not a competitor.  Neither Fuz or I, the 2 guys who put the most effort into the show have anything to gain.  I have no persona I wish to promote.  No agenda.   Adam's show will 99% likely always be better.  I don't expect to compete.  I do think though that a subset of the Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts could serve as an auxillary show that is worthy of the LTBNetwork.  Nothing more.
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2014, 02:50:27 AM »

Hes not going to critique your shows because hes not going to help out a competitor or he just has nothing negative to say.  Gamey as you are now in charge of the shows its also about distribution which you will need to think hard about in terms of getting the eyeballs.

It is good that he is behooving you, make things the best and defeat this guy.

When you plead confusion it makes people think the other person does not know what they are talking about.  A gatekeeper mentality.  He holds the keys so he can say if your on the list to get in or not, confusion is denial, meaning your not getting in.

First off Adam is not a competitor.  Neither Fuz or I, the 2 guys who put the most effort into the show have anything to gain.  I have no persona I wish to promote.  No agenda.   Adam's show will 99% likely always be better.  I don't expect to compete.  I do think though that a subset of the Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts could serve as an auxillary show that is worthy of the LTBNetwork.  Nothing more.

First off Adam is a competitor it is easy to see and he will win if you do not think of him as one.  If bytemaster chooses to stop doing the dev hangout and do the "Beyond Bitcoin Show on the Letstalkbitcoin Network" you lose a lot.   Therefore see the connections and compete or you will lose.

 

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