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Free college in Germany?
« on: October 13, 2014, 02:56:04 AM »

Been reading a lot of articles on reddit and from other sources saying that apparently anybody can now go to Germany and get a decent college education at a fraction of the gouging that is standard here in the U.S.

http://np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2isc0l/german_colleges_offer_free_degrees_to_americans/
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/10/10/germany_college_is_free_there_even_for_foreign_students_why.html
http://thinkprogress.org/education/2014/10/01/3574551/germany-free-college-tuition/
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/568393/20141002/100-tuition-free-why-germany-envy-university.htm

There's a better chance of me becoming ABL's private butler than there is of me ever taking out another student loan, so I have about ten different tabs up now on the subject of pursuing a higher education in Germany, and it's something I'm giving consideration to in maybe a couple years. Sounds like it might be a good backup plan for establishing a decent life if crypto doesn't blow up hard, or I end up being a weak hand.

Since this article came out I've become aware that France also offers free education, and that's something worth considering too because I already speak some French, but I'd have to learn German from scratch. But from what I'm reading the cost of living is higher in France than in Germany, but that's a different subject, Germany has piqued my interest for the time being-- and I find dirndls oddly sexy as all hell, so let's talk about Germany.

Basically, I know there are some Germans here so I wanted to do a reality check through you guys. Is this situation really as good as it sounds? Can I really just work hard to save up 20,000 to 40,000 bitEUR (would that be enough to go college and live off for 3-4 years?), learn German, get accepted to a German University, catch a flight and never look back? Would you Germans hate me because I'd be displacing an otherwise qualified German employee? What's the catch here?

Suppose this really is as good as it sounds, what part of Germany would you suggest I look into? I'm a small town guy, so I'm thinking maybe a nice German college in a town of 3-6 thousand somewhere in the Northern part of Germany just about might be ideal.

Am I overlooking anything? What do you guys think?

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Re: Free college in Germany?
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2014, 03:05:39 AM »
All Europe is a way better choice college-education-wise (as in money-wise) than US. That's why I am not staying here much longer after my daughter finishes high school....


That said -Why Germany?... 'They' (Europe that is) have a whole country that the only official language is English? That only if you mind learning German (for college), otherwise you will be hard pressed to find people in Germany that do not speak English.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2014, 03:07:47 AM by tonyk »
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: Free college in Germany?
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2014, 03:13:16 AM »
All Europe is a way better choice college-education-wise (as in money-wise) than US. That's why I am not staying here much longer after my daughter finishes high school....


That said -Why Germany?... 'They' (Europe that is) have a whole country that the only official language is English? That only if you mind learning German (for college), otherwise you will be hard pressed to find people in Germany that do not speak English.

Because Germany has been in the news recently as a good low cost option, and the limited research I've done shows me that northern Germany might be a decent political fit for me.

Also the articles indicate that a visa to study in Germany is pretty easy to get for an American.

Also, dirndls. And beer.

Is England comparable as far as tuition and living expenses go? Is this recent German hype over nothing that isn't available all over Europe anyway? I wouldn't mind learning another language, in fact I'd embrace the challenge.

EDIT: Indeed, it looks like tuition in England starts around 7000 pounds per semester, plus cost of living. From what I'm reading Germany charges 50-500 EUR per semester.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2014, 04:04:26 AM by merockstar »

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Re: Free college in Germany?
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2014, 04:05:42 AM »
All Europe is a way better choice college-education-wise (as in money-wise) than US. That's why I am not staying here much longer after my daughter finishes high school....


That said -Why Germany?... 'They' (Europe that is) have a whole country that the only official language is English? That only if you mind learning German (for college), otherwise you will be hard pressed to find people in Germany that do not speak English.

Because Germany has been in the news recently as a good low cost option, and the limited research I've done shows me that northern Germany might be a decent political fit for me.

Also the articles indicate that a visa to study in Germany is pretty easy to get for an American.

Also, dirndls. And beer.

Is England comparable as far as tuition and living expenses go? Is this recent German hype over nothing that isn't available all over Europe anyway? I wouldn't mind learning another language, in fact I'd embrace the challenge.

15 years ago Germany was the leading option (totally free), but anything is decently priced compared to here...Even Oxford.  I am just saying you are on the right path, and research all options!
I suggested England because you will not need one year or so, of pretty much spending money to learn a language. And indeed Europe is generally an expensive place to live in, much more so than US.
Hope this makes sense.
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: Free college in Germany?
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2014, 04:14:58 AM »
15 years ago Germany was the leading option (totally free), but anything is decently priced compared to here...Even Oxford.  I am just saying you are on the right path, and research all options!
I suggested England because you will not need one year or so, of pretty much spending money to learn a language. And indeed Europe is generally an expensive place to live in, much more so than US.
Hope this makes sense.

I guess they've recently gone back to the totally free system (hence all the news coverage). It's not totally free (they call it a semester charge or something I think), but compared to here, yea, free as fuck.

Also, see the edit in my post above about tuition costs in UK. Guess they're high (which defeats the purpose).

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Re: Free college in Germany?
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2014, 06:22:49 AM »
found this in case this thread gets anybody else interested in this:

http://www.reddit.com/r/germany/comments/2i2trw/so_you_want_to_study_undergraduate_in_germany/

almost all my questions are answered now, except for generic "where in germany should I go? whats the best way to learn german? what do you germans think of all this?" type questions.


but after posting all this I realized that if I can save up 20-40 grand to live off of I may as well just go to a community college here.
bah.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2014, 06:25:59 AM by merockstar »

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Re: Free college in Germany?
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2014, 07:07:24 AM »
Come to Russia! Its cheaper and better then Europe!  :)
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Re: Free college in Germany?
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2014, 07:15:32 AM »
Come to Russia! Its cheaper and better then Europe!  :)

Also included are - Free trips to Siberia - for those:

a. That do not believe that Eastern Ukraine is part of Russia.
b. Dare to use BTC or  other crypto.

 :)  :)
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: Free college in Germany?
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2014, 07:22:50 AM »
Free trips to Siberia are always a must! Fresh air and freedom included there. As for the reality it really is better then Europe  :)

Biggest minus is you have to study Russian, as people here dont speak English much
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Re: Free college in Germany?
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2014, 07:34:41 AM »
Free trips to Siberia are always a must! Fresh air and freedom included there. As for the reality it really is better then Europe  :)

Biggest minus is you have to study Russian, as people here dont speak English much

I am fine with the air quality and my 'spoken' Russian needs like 20 to 50 h of practice  :) as for the proper use of all падежы I will never learn them, I guess.


As far as Russia/Europe/US go... I  will still chose Europe over any of the other two.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2014, 07:49:05 AM by tonyk »
Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Re: Free college in Germany?
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2014, 08:27:54 AM »
We already discussed that  :)
But as for the reality i will always prefer it here on those 3 and even over NZ  :P
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Re: Free college in Germany?
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2014, 11:39:14 AM »
Come to Russia! Its cheaper and better then Europe!  :)

Also included are - Free trips to Siberia - for those:

a. That do not believe that Eastern Ukraine is part of Russia.
b. Dare to use BTC or  other crypto.

 :)  :)

Yea nothing against russia... except the banning of btc and the looking down on homos... sorry man, can't live with that.

EDIT: voting with my feet is part of the motivation to leave the U.S. too
« Last Edit: October 13, 2014, 11:55:29 AM by merockstar »

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Re: Free college in Germany?
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2014, 07:27:35 PM »
Come to Russia! Its cheaper and better then Europe!  :)

Also included are - Free trips to Siberia - for those:

a. That do not believe that Eastern Ukraine is part of Russia.
b. Dare to use BTC or  other crypto.

 :)  :)

Yea nothing against russia... except the banning of btc and the looking down on homos... sorry man, can't live with that.

EDIT: voting with my feet is part of the motivation to leave the U.S. too

only no one has banned btc (yet) here and no one is looking down on homos (well no more then in any other country).... dont believe the tv mate
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Re: Free college in Germany?
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2014, 07:41:00 PM »
so as the first answer here from germany

- come and enjoy your stay here

https://www.daad.de/deutschland/in-deutschland/arbeit/en/9148-earning-money/

i am biased but germany is a good choice :D and just choose a international course so most of the studies are in english (german english :D )

maybe choose some city with old US Army Bases like Heidelberg etc. or just Berlin, Munich etc.

i see no need to learn german. it is difficult and not needed for students. if you not to have to deal with old folks you will be fine with english. in some big companies the official company speak is english.

i traveled through Australia after my studies and i enjoyed the different culture. makes you better.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2014, 07:45:27 PM by Shentist »

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Re: Free college in Germany?
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2014, 11:34:06 PM »
Low- or zero-tuition college still isn't free — the amount of time you will devote to this pursuit will (probably) be enormous.

What's your end goal?
« Last Edit: October 13, 2014, 11:45:33 PM by todofixthis »

 

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