I think we have more followers than leaders in society because of the sorry state of our education system which trains people to look for jobs, to work for others, to expect to be lead. In my opinion it is that very attitude which helped to cause many of the problems that DACs are the solution for. It is also my opinion that in order to change the state of affairs we must promote entrepreneurship, leadership, creative self motivated individuals are needed today and factory workers who follow orders are not in demand.

The difference with DACs is there there is no boss. The shareholders all win together and if every worker can be a shareholder then even workers who run out of jobs to do for the DAC can be permanently connected at a stakeholder level to the DAC with voting rights in the DAC. This is something which would allow workers to not feel bad about their task being automated because it would make their shares more profitable.

What I don't want is for us to mirror the mistakes of the physical world when we have the opportunity to do things right. So while we can learn from the success of real world companies we should not adopt their management strategies because we don't need them here. We don't have to micromanage, we don't have bosses, we can give every employee in a DAC a stake, so we should do so by default so that there are no losers. You don't have to lose in this new world of DACs because by working for the machine you earn a stake in the success of the machine. This is totally different from the way things work in the corporate world because in the corporate world this level of efficiency is impossible with CEOs taking damn near all the shares and compensation to themselves.

Lets try it and measure it for success.

I understand your motivation for wanting punishment. It's just not something you can implement easily in code. Exclusion in my opinion is the best punishment. It's basically pushing the scammers to the far edges of the circle. The people in the inner circle would gain the most opportunity because they are included.

This is why I advocate inclusion by default. Everyone should feel like they are a part of something, such as a part of the DAC or a part of the community. As they build up their reputation with badges and the like then you can set up DACs which only accept members with the minimum qualification. You can actually character protect a DAC by only including the people who have those character traits proven over time through the badge/honor system.

So if you want someone trustworthy, someone with honor, someone heroic, someone who claims to have certain values and who has proved it, you could program your DAC to require that people have these badges. You can also have badges for competence. There is no need to have punishment built into the system because you wont get into as many inner circles if you're a scammer because you'll never earn enough merit badges or titles to get that far.

The system I imagine is flat. There is no hierarchy. Everyone starts out as equals on a flat plane. Over time circles will form of core shareholders and core members. These circles will form based on competence, prestige or anything that the creators of the DAC program it to look for. The only people who could become members of these circles would be proven candidates. Anyone else would be part of the outter circle of the DAC away from all the action. You could even set up forums which only allow people to enter with a certain badge, or threads which charge people to enter unless they have a certain badge which lets them in for free.

Quote from: domsch on December 26, 2013, 01:31:47 pm

I think that a lot of your problems/questions can, and have to be solved on a psychological level. In order for someone to comply to one of your requests Reason , Emotional Attachments and eventually, Social Proof (herd behavior) need to be provided.

As you can see all of these compliance techniques (and obviously more sophisticated ones) are being used in today's time and age. In my perception, today's religion is nothing more than a form of mass psychology so that the "small sheep" stay within their region and do not cause any chaos. Meaning, religion has allowed the elitists to expand their power across all 7 continents and capitalism has flourished due to the awareness of the smaller sheep being stunned by religious prayers. All these people live for is the hope for a better future. The people around us need to realize that not God is the one that will save them, but their own behavior, their own actions, THEIR own hands will save them from all the sorrow. They are the ones that decide upon their future and only they can influence and create their own luck.

Obviously not only religion is a form of mass-psychology. The media, sports, music, movies, social media, etc. are all used to influence the decision making and perception of our modern day citizen.  The USA performs all mass-psychology techniques with adroit excellence. The quote that best fits the USA:

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None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. They feed them on falsehoods till wrong looks like right in their eyes.
-Johann von Goethe

So to get back to the point, what I was saying is basically this:
The goal of a DAC is it to not only craft a vision, but to properly market that idea with compliance techniques in order to achieve their goal (in your case, get others to quit their day job in order to work for the DAC). A DAC needs to answer the WHY, HOW and WHAT (in this periodic order). Furthermore, the corollary to this is that the most successful DAC is not the one with the best idea, but the one that is best at convincing others of their plan. The representatives of a DAC need to be great storytellers, they need to reach their prospects on an emotional level to convince them about their intentions.

I don't see why it has to be this complicated. You're liberated. No boss. Work whatever hours you want or need to get the job done. Work at little or as much as you want, actively or passively. To top it off these shares or coins you work may dramatically appreciate in value. What more could you want?

Why wouldn't a rational person want that if the pay rates were high enough? I don't expect people to work for free or to do it out of spiritual motivations but if you want a job with no boss then the DAC can provide it.

Quote from: domsch on December 26, 2013, 01:31:47 pm

To corroborate my statement, I'll give you an example, lets go back to religion.
I'm pretty sure that most here have heard of Jonestown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown). Basically, in the 80's a crazy dude called Jim Jones convinced more than 900 people to move from Cali/Indiana to Guyana and live in communistic subsistence economy. He convinced nearly a thousand people to liquidate all their assets, leave friends, family and their work behind to move in an uncertain terrain - and an uncertain future. He did all this by convincing these people of his intentions (in fact, he was a great story teller) and he touched all of these "sheep" on an emotional basis that made them perform such irrational actions. His use of compliance techniques peaked when he convinced nearly all members of Jonestown to commit "revolutionary suicide".

Why do we want or need to mimic this? It is not my goal to convince people to do any irrational or suicidal acts. I think if you're talking about a marketing strategy this will be too dangerous, have many unknown consequences, and does not provide greater value for shareholders or better service quality for customers to offset the risks. If you're telling people to quit their job to work for a DAC then all you have to do is offer a better value proposition by paying them in shares of the DAC. If they believe in the long term value of the DAC they'll want to have some shares in it. So if the DAC were the Internet 2.0 then the way to own a piece of the Internet 2.0 is to help build the Internet 2.0 or crowd fund it.

I prefer not to go the irrational route because irrational thinking does not seem to benefit scientific discovery. I also admit I'm not experienced with marketing products and you are.

Quote from: domsch on December 26, 2013, 01:31:47 pm

So to articulate this example, what Jones did was the following:
WHY: " Come with me and you will achieve personal enlightenment. You will be able to communicate with your ancestors and get advice from their wisdom"(reason and emotional attachment)
HOW: "I found this new meditation technique with which I was able to reach God and my ancestors!"(reason)
WHAT: "We will create a new religion based on our believes"
What lead to widespread adoption of his intentions was the early visionaries/adopters. These were the people that spread the message and helped Jones convince others to join their company. And these people were not paid - they did it out of self belief. They believed what Jones said was right and they wanted others to achieve self enlightenment as well. They wanted to spread the message because they knew it was right.

Jones wanted people to do something which is entirely irrational. Why do we want to do this in the context of the DAC under discussion?

In the context of this particular DAC I don't see what message has to be spread other than "Work for the DAC and earn shares". Money really sells itself, especially when people don't have any. If you have to convince the people to like money then you should choose a more rational demographic.

Quote from: domsch on December 26, 2013, 01:31:47 pm

This is just one example of many, where the use of compliance techniques had lead people to perform irrational actions and comply to nearly ANY form of request.

Once again, what irrational action are you trying to get people to perform?

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