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Partners should only be sharedroppers in my opinion - IDB, PTS, MUSE & PLAY currently
Every other "Project" should be under Hosted, and either donate to the forum or burn bitshares to have a place here.
thoughts?
How did you manage to disprove that?and what more rational arguments do you want from me when the opponent is just stating clearly wrong facts?
All I have to do is point at them wrong 'facts'
so your saying that even though i disproved what you have to say about fees, that you cant prove your value to this community and your continuing to FUD, that all you have to do is point things out that are wrong? you dont see how ignorant this is? you dont think maybe you need to provide some kind of proof regarding the things you say like i have??
You said UIA fees are real small.. smaller than bts one.
and now you have proven it? How? When? How?
you can pay for a uia transaction with uia, theirfore there is no bts fee for transacting uia.... theirfore the fee is smaller.... not hard to grasp pal...
keep that thought!
How did you manage to disprove that?and what more rational arguments do you want from me when the opponent is just stating clearly wrong facts?
All I have to do is point at them wrong 'facts'
so your saying that even though i disproved what you have to say about fees, that you cant prove your value to this community and your continuing to FUD, that all you have to do is point things out that are wrong? you dont see how ignorant this is? you dont think maybe you need to provide some kind of proof regarding the things you say like i have?
You said UIA fees are real small.. smaller than bts one.
and now you have proven it? How? When? How?
What is more disturbing in more ways than you probably realize is- every ass licker can make infinite supply of brownies by licking harder!!!
Disclaimer: My first reaction to Brownie.PTS being announced was sort of like ... "WTF! You can take them away if you don't like what I have to say?!!!". I did not like that aspect of them, but was assured that would not happen (I think, but I have no way of stopping it from happening). But, yes I have tried to keep my mouth shut as much as possible because I feel I (and others I know) have been "overlooked" on several occasions when doing task for Brownies. Keep in mind, I have no way of knowing if that's actually happened or not, I just suspect it did on several occasions since we seemed to be overlooked after expressing opposing opinions on the forum or making some meme some considered anti-BitShares or just not on the same course as everyone else. Keep in mind that I'm a huge conspiracy buff.
Now on with my post, but first another disclaimer, lol ...
Man I really hate getting involved in conversations going down these paths but, dudes kind of got a point (I think) the more I read between the lines.
As an outside observer, it appears to me this is all about bytemaster being the Federal Reserve and issuing a fiat currency from thin air (Brownie.PTS).
So some people are being paid with this fiat currency (and some are) hoping to find someone willing to exchange their real money (BTS) for this currency printed from thin air at the whim of the Federal Reserve (bytemaster).
Even worse, this Federal Reserve Chairman (bytemaster) openly stated (for legal reasons or otherwise, no one knows) that he would/could take back Brownies from accounts he deemed were not pleasing him personally. His exact words are in a transcript my friend wrote, look it up if you like and know that my friend is no longer helping with transcripts because he stopped receiving Brownies for his task after making his bitLife comic or some comments on the forum that we assume were not pleasing to the Federal Reserve (bytemaster).
So, not only can the Fed (bytemaster) take back the fiat currency (Brownie.PTS) he can also choose not to reward you for your work at his personal whim. Even worse, you'll never find out until after you completed the work. I won't even get into the fact (well, more than this) that he has now delegated a new Fed chair (fuzzy) who can pass any blame for non-payment onto the IMF (now bytemaster). Sorry fuzzy, had to get that in because it's just the way it is.
Now, how hard are you going to work knowing all of that?
Am I missing the point?
Did I just expose my true feelings and am never going to receive Brownie.PTS again for doing so?
Should I stop contributing to the ecosystem because I'm afraid after I put in many many hours I may never get "paid" in fiat currency (Brownie.PTS) or the IMF (bytemaster, Former Fed-chair) will remove them from my wallet while I'm sleeping?
And here's my last disclaimer ... I love Brownie.PTS! But I have fundamental issues with them (see above).
and what more rational arguments do you want from me when the opponent is just stating clearly wrong facts?
All I have to do is point at them wrong 'facts'
well for one, I have never found a thing I do not understand.... at least in crypto
and you have never asked me why uia have fees. I can surely answer that for you. also make it clear for you why they can and should not have very low fees. Especially why never lower than the core fee.
Other than that kudos on the fast typing.
Ill leave it at this:
1) we have proven everything tonyk has to say here incorrect or uninformed
2) while tony is on a FUD campaign and providing no real value to this community, we still love him
3) we would still like to work with tony and explain the things he does not understand
4) we will be having an open mumble session soon to discuss these and more subjects, which tony is invited as our guest speaker.
5) if im in any way incorrect about the way UIA's work, i will glady accept that, and would love to talk to a core dev about this subject.
this discussion was not very productive to say the least, but i will invite tony to come talk to us any time,
that is if he can believe im not fuzzy or not trying to scam him some how haha
good night folks.
You are an idiot...I hope you know it.
1. all the wrong and misinformed statements were yours....like the UIA having lower fees.
2. Your promises for VALUE is yet to be seen...staring with lies is not a good way to go but you know better.
some nonsense cover ups in 3-5
first you argue that they have the same TX fee as bts, if this were the case (your incorrect) it would be impossible to detract from BTS as the fees pay workers and other features of the core product.well first off you are the idiot claiming UIA have lower fees.
Second off I am correct they have same or higher fees.
And how from what fees they have can one come to the conclusion wheather they can or cannot detract from each other's value is beyond my capacity to comprehend idiotic reasoning.
first of all, ive already proven you can pay for a UIA transaction with UIA, so say you have 100 kuro points, you transfer 10 kuro points, costing you a transaction of 5 kuro points, and assume 5 kuro points equal the value of 40 bts (tx fee)
explain how you paid 40 bts and not 5 kuro points just now? you didnt? thats what i thought.
secondly, transaction fees within the BTS system will always increase the core assets value its literally impossible to detract from their value as BTS is required for any form of transaction, even if i was going to sell 100 kuro points for 5 million bts, im still making that move within the bts ecosystem and because i cant move 100 kuro points for btc directly, without liquidating bts, its literally impossible not to increase the core price at some point in that process, this is really basic economics behind the UIA idea, how are you failing to grasp this? your throwing around words like idiotic and idiot, i dont remember calling you dumb a single time but your starting to give me that impression...
your exactly the kind of ignorant, scared trader that makes coins like bts go nowhere... open your mind for 5 mins and youll see you haven't made a single rational argument, all your doing is FUDING and crusading against some ones UIA because you dont like them, your struggling very hard to justify that vendetta, this much is obvious.
please raise a rational point regarding your hatred for the UIA or stop FUDing, remove your signature and come talk to us in mumble pal, despite your ignorance and insult slinging i still want you on my side, i think you can do good things with us if you get over this bullshit your dealing with right now.
Nooooooooooooooooooooo
you can not pay for UIA fees with UIAs!!!!!
https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/block/474381
what am i doing right here than bud?
you still refuse to even try to understand what the hell were talking about... seriously just stop this FUD and grow up, come talk to us in mumble so we can explain the things you dont understand
well paying exuberant fees as far as I can tell...and that is not even an UIA.
first you argue that they have the same TX fee as bts, if this were the case (your incorrect) it would be impossible to detract from BTS as the fees pay workers and other features of the core product.well first off you are the idiot claiming UIA have lower fees.
Second off I am correct they have same or higher fees.
And how from what fees they have can one come to the conclusion wheather they can or cannot detract from each other's value is beyond my capacity to comprehend idiotic reasoning.
first of all, ive already proven you can pay for a UIA transaction with UIA, so say you have 100 kuro points, you transfer 10 kuro points, costing you a transaction of 5 kuro points, and assume 5 kuro points equal the value of 40 bts (tx fee)
explain how you paid 40 bts and not 5 kuro points just now? you didnt? thats what i thought.
secondly, transaction fees within the BTS system will always increase the core assets value its literally impossible to detract from their value as BTS is required for any form of transaction, even if i was going to sell 100 kuro points for 5 million bts, im still making that move within the bts ecosystem and because i cant move 100 kuro points for btc directly, without liquidating bts, its literally impossible not to increase the core price at some point in that process, this is really basic economics behind the UIA idea, how are you failing to grasp this? your throwing around words like idiotic and idiot, i dont remember calling you dumb a single time but your starting to give me that impression...
your exactly the kind of ignorant, scared trader that makes coins like bts go nowhere... open your mind for 5 mins and youll see you haven't made a single rational argument, all your doing is FUDING and crusading against some ones UIA because you dont like them, your struggling very hard to justify that vendetta, this much is obvious.
please raise a rational point regarding your hatred for the UIA or stop FUDing, remove your signature and come talk to us in mumble pal, despite your ignorance and insult slinging i still want you on my side, i think you can do good things with us if you get over this bullshit your dealing with right now.
Nooooooooooooooooooooo
you can not pay for UIA fees with UIAs!!!!!
first you argue that they have the same TX fee as bts, if this were the case (your incorrect) it would be impossible to detract from BTS as the fees pay workers and other features of the core product.well first off you are the idiot claiming UIA have lower fees.
Second off I am correct they have same or higher fees.
And how from what fees they have can one come to the conclusion wheather they can or cannot detract from each other's value is beyond my capacity to comprehend idiotic reasoning.
I am not claiming brownies will not be a great success, at the end of the day.
All I am saying is that any thing they achieve is at the expense of BTS.
what are you doing to make Bitshares a success? except for pushing your personal vendetta against a user issued asset?
I know you have a goal, OK.
I am just not sure it goes anywhere beyond making money for yourself by printing UIA with unlimited supply.
which is exactly what im asking you to give us a chance to prove to you... i didnt print brownies? my name isnt bytemaster? what possible stake do i have in this if i dont even own more than 500 brownies? cmon man see that im trying to be a partial third party who sees both sides, i get what your saying, you arent incorrect per se, you just do not have all the information and do not yet understand the implications! please just have a chat with us on mumble or something bro!
well fuzz is not BM, but he can pretty much print brownies, much like he was BM.
your right he can, but please look at what hes been doing with it? point out one single blockchain transaction where hes been less than fair with his distrobution?
this is what im trying to explain man, if you give us a chance to break down the intended use for our automation systems, how we plan to bring liquidity into this market, and how we plan to use brownies and other UIA to increase the core value of bts, you will see that were not scammers, were not trying to print currency, and were not shouting 'to the moon!'
we have a specific strategy that involves the use of UIA both to sharedrop and increase the intrinsic value of products, as well as a form of micro liquidation for users on the forums...
please just have a mumble or skype chat dude, it will open your eyes! even if you walk away still hating browines at least you can say you were open minded enough to hear us out.
I am open minded but still ...why do you have to use fuzz's speaking patterns when typing?
bro i think you have spent too much time typing back and forth to fuzzy lol! if you would chat with us youll see im clearly a different person... if im similar to him its because we align in alot of ways, ideologically and otherwise, but that does not make us the same person! fuzzy is a great guy but he also lacks a distinct eye for business, his plans for brownies are awesome but also lacking a way to bring real value back to the core product... this is what im trying to help with! i totally agree with your side of it, we should stop trying to use UIA's as tokens to print money and instead use them for specific purposes, in my case - its useful from a reward automation perspective.
im glad your keeping an open mind, seriously! please let me know when a good time is that we can sit down and chat about stuff, i was serious when i said i want you to understand what were doing and be an ally not an enemy! i think our goals are probably the same in the end, we just have different appraoches... this is actually a good thing in a free market man!
hit me up when / if you wanna schedule a sitdown
"if im similar to him its because we align in alot of ways, ideologically and otherwise, but that does not make us the same person! fuzzy is a great guy but he also lacks a distinct eye for business, his plans for brownies are awesome but also lacking a way to bring real value back to the core product... "
I would not be so harsh on the printing press... I mean the printing press always has a vision...even when it does not!
I know you have a goal, OK.
I am just not sure it goes anywhere beyond making money for yourself by printing UIA with unlimited supply.
which is exactly what im asking you to give us a chance to prove to you... i didnt print brownies? my name isnt bytemaster? what possible stake do i have in this if i dont even own more than 500 brownies? cmon man see that im trying to be a partial third party who sees both sides, i get what your saying, you arent incorrect per se, you just do not have all the information and do not yet understand the implications! please just have a chat with us on mumble or something bro!
well fuzz is not BM, but he can pretty much print brownies, much like he was BM.
your right he can, but please look at what hes been doing with it? point out one single blockchain transaction where hes been less than fair with his distrobution?
this is what im trying to explain man, if you give us a chance to break down the intended use for our automation systems, how we plan to bring liquidity into this market, and how we plan to use brownies and other UIA to increase the core value of bts, you will see that were not scammers, were not trying to print currency, and were not shouting 'to the moon!'
we have a specific strategy that involves the use of UIA both to sharedrop and increase the intrinsic value of products, as well as a form of micro liquidation for users on the forums...
please just have a mumble or skype chat dude, it will open your eyes! even if you walk away still hating browines at least you can say you were open minded enough to hear us out.
I am open minded but still ...why do you have to use fuzz's speaking patterns when typing?
