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the very best bit was the one at the very end! For anyone that likes that kind of thinking, this is similar, just applied to another area of life (intimate instead of business relationships) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LuPCAh9FCc

I love this guy!
I jsut took the 3h and watched that lesson .. I am speechless .. lots of thinks things to learn ..

This guy is great!  Never heard him before.  Wow. 
And by extension, y'all are great for posting and promoting this here.  Thanks!

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I like the co-op model.

https://www.ncba.coop/7-cooperative-principles
Sounds like it fits us rather well.

Another advantage to structuring as a cooperative would be the ability to engage with brick and mortar cooperatives (specifically I'm thinking of coop groceries) and leverage their member base to support the adoption of BitAssets in their respective organizations, a huge opportunity as far as I'm concerned.  And the BitShares concept should really resonate with other co-op members.

I live in Minneapolis, where there is a substantial co-op grocery movement, probably the biggest in the country, and I have often thought of how the BitShares ecosystem could engage with them for mutual benefit.

Not a lawyer, and don't understand the legal ramifications, but I agree in principle that this is a promising direction to move in.

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Direction - Why not How or What...
« on: October 27, 2014, 09:14:32 pm »
I would like to take a step back and help us all reflect on why we are doing what we are doing and what it is that has created this community in the first place.   

I have set out on a mission in life to find free market solutions to secure life, liberty, and property and BitShares is my evolving approach to this problem.   Many people have joined us because of this vision and have become a fan because of what we believe more so than what we have built.   In the middle of our success it is easy to lose sight of what is bringing us all together and what really matters. 

Does our technology help us achieve our purpose, freedom.   Who should our technology appeal to?   It should appeal to those who want economic freedom in both trade and wealth. 

Selling BitShares as a "company" with X, Y, Z features is approaching the space like Dell and not Apple.   Lets reimagine everything, think out side the box and create a society where we can be secure and where threats of violence by the government are overwhelmed by non-violent cooperation.  We all long for freedom, it is universal.    We all long for security.   No one likes theft and violence.     

The problem we have is that most people won't choose to adopt BitUSD because of its yield or merchant adoption.   They will first choose to adopt it because it resonates with something DEEP within... they do it "just because"... to make a statement to the outside world that there is a different way.   

So lets not sell a product with features... lets let people know what we believe and stand for.   Lets let the world know that owning BitShares or buying BitUSD is about making a statement not making an investment.   Bitcoin grew because it allowed people to make a statement... but it was too volatile for more than the true believers in the vision to hold.    BitUSD gives the true believers a safe place to express themselves backed by extreme believers.    You don't accept BitUSD at your business just because it is better than a credit card, you accept it to make a point and that point is that you believe in freedom, transparency, and individual financial sovernty. 

I don't know about you, but this vision is not based upon a share price and does not depend upon any set of features.   It is something that we can build for ourselves at any scale if we can attract like minded people.   

http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action

So... lets go change the world!

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Yes!  I've been using this approach to bring in BitShares adopters for the last two months, to people who have little interest and less knowledge of crypto-currency, and people who are not shopping for new financial instruments.

I'm guessing those of you in the 'utility is everything' camp must not have watched the Ted Talk link in the OP?  TiVo is exactly the point, and the warning to heed.  No one is suggesting we shouldn't develop amazing features and place a premium on utility... but that's not effective marketing, and it's not inspiring.

If the Apple analogy doesn't work for you, I submit that we are much more like the Wright Brothers, and Martin Luther King.

We have a dream.  Dan Larimer has a dream.  We are all now dreaming that dream together in real time and working to make it a reality.

Right now we need to be inspiring the innovators & early adopters, not selling features to the early majority.  We shouldn't even really be thinking about the early majority right now, they don't even know there's a problem to be solved yet, and they won't, until they hear it from the innovators & early adopters.

Making a statement is fine, but this is really about taking a stand.  There are many many people who are not remotely involved in the world of crypto-currency but who are highly sympathetic to the premise of our actions.  The relevant tactic at this time is to inspire a small army of these folks who believe in what BitShares stands for, and the vast potential it represents across the full spectrum of human endeavor, and get them to take action.  The early adopters will come onboard before things are perfect because it feels right, because they see the potential.

If you're waiting for the perfect on-ramp to appear, stand up, walk to the nearest mirror, and behold... the perfect on-ramp, right now.

Everyone I've gotten involved in BitShares so far has done so because they are aligned with the basic principle of Freedom which unites virtually everyone.  I submit that Freedom is not an ideology, it is the primary state which exists before ideology even arrives on the scene.  We are born free, but everywhere we are in chains, to some degree or another.  Freedom is not an exotic commodity that will alienate people if it is articulated well, it is their natural state, and everyone on some level wishes to return to a state of total freedom.

There can and must be many approaches to selling our vision, and our product, to people.  There are so many different kinds of people.  But right now, I believe Dan is right again.  No one is calling for meetups with readings of Kropotkin, but a simple appeal to the underlying vision that unites us all.  It will unite more than just us innovators.  There are so many who can yet be reached, they are all across the spectrum, there's so much more we agree on than disagree.

Try to list your ideology, your politics, in as positive terms as possible (what you are FOR, not AGAINST), as ONE reason and motivation for getting into your product. Now make a real effort to list as many radically OTHER reasons and motivations for getting into your product as possible. Finally try to express them all in the most beautiful, universal message.

That, I submit, is what great leaders do.

A beautiful, universal message, that's some good homework!

Something people here need to understand: a powerful, emotional message and product utility are not binary options. You need an emotional message to get the attention of average people. Once you've got their attention, impress them with awesome utility.

Yes!


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General Discussion / Re: Argentina & Venezuela
« on: October 18, 2014, 04:49:14 am »
Relavent article: http://www.coindesk.com/bitpagos-brings-bitcoin-8000-convenience-stores-ripio/

A BitPagos partnership would bring BitUSD to over 8000 convenience stores in Argentina.

 +5% definitely, I forgot about that, I've brought them up before

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7683.msg102058#msg102058

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Muy interesante!

You're probably right about the USD vs Bolivars / Pesos issue.  And I don't disagree that BitUSD is going to be very appealing in these quarters due to it's immediate utility. 

I'd still like to see a strong non-USD denominated bitasset available, in South America in particular.  On a socio-political level, that continent is on a whole other trip, and the dollar, despite it's relative usefulness and stability, is still synonymous with yanqui imperialism to a whole lot of people who'd rather be doing their own thing. 

Maybe they will succeed at evolving the 'Sucre' beyond a regional trading currency.  If It becomes like the Euro, we could have BitSUCRE.

Anyway, back from fantasy asset island.... People will use whatever works and I would think a BitPagos / BitUSD integration is worth some serious effort!


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General Discussion / Re: mesh networking, last mile problem, and BTSX
« on: October 17, 2014, 06:08:30 pm »
Some people is trying to bring mesh networking to bitcoin:
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-wi-fi-system-enables-payments-sharing-internet/

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It seems one of the long awaited “killer apps” of Bitcoin is almost here. A new video on YouTube shows off a Bitcoin Wi-Fi hotspot that can receive Bitcoin payments.

This means that anyone with a connection to the Internet could soon be able to share their connection with complete strangers in exchange for bitcoins. Although the demo of the concept in the video is quite basic, it gives us a glimpse of how Bitcoin may be able to fuel the mesh networks of the future.

Awesome!  This is along the lines of what was suggested in the OP.  How to implement the same concept in BTS or BitUSD?

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General Discussion / Re: Argentina & Venezuela
« on: October 17, 2014, 05:59:08 pm »
BitUSD will be fine. When it comes to purchasing power, they trust USD the most. Making a new name will just make pitching it even harder, and will fragment the market.

Well, yes and no.  People still have to pay for many things in Bolivar regardless.  So whenever that debit card functionality arrives, it could be very helpful for relating to the way in which things are priced.  Plus the government would probably look more kindly on it's citizens using BitBolivar, and might even encourage it's adoption.  The Bolivar is itself pegged to the USD, but has undergone some devaluation in recent years.

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General Discussion / Re: Argentina & Venezuela
« on: October 15, 2014, 11:37:31 pm »
who will be the first to create BitBolivar :)

Bytemaster?  BitBolívar por favor...  para el pueblo! :)

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General Discussion / Re: mesh networking, last mile problem, and BTSX
« on: October 15, 2014, 11:02:05 pm »
USD has been doing fine and is already decentralized in the sense that it is managed by a democratically elected government. 

I recommend you start by reconsidering every individual word in this sentence.   :)

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LOL

I can't resist: The truest words from Alan Greenspan ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGy-gTksnII

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General Discussion / Re: Argentina & Venezuela
« on: October 15, 2014, 10:55:38 pm »
I'll add one more point in favor of this argument: both these countries have ALREADY spited the U.S. and its international monetary system. Venezuela is happy to sell its oil in the U.S., but its government now is still the leftist successor/vestige of the late Hugo Chavez, who talked junk about the U.S. for many years publicly and was best buddies with Fidel Castro. Argentina, though it was a closer ally, recently moved its loan out of a U.S. bank and essentially started servicing its own debt. Both of these countries have less to lose (than most others) by doing something radical that flies in the face of the default economic system and its USD currency. And yet both of them have sizable economies and enough technological wiring to make an impact if they were to embrace crypto.

BitUSD would be the perfect currency for either one. Or we can go with a BitPesos or BitBolivars if they prefer, pegged to dollars or any other appropriate measure.

Oh this is brilliant in so many ways I can't even begin to convey... and why had I not considered the potential here before!?!

BitBolivar!, are you KIDDING ME?  That would be so huge in all of South America!  Time to dust off my Spanish.

If there's a country on earth willing to embrace BitShares / BitAssets it would be Venezuela.  Also Ecuador, whose president Rafael Correa is an economist quite disabused of neoliberal policies.  Also for sure Argentina for so many reasons.  Bolivia, yes.

I mean, in Venezuela you have a government officially promoting and distributing Linux machines since 2007.

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With respect to the operating system, Venezuela has taken a strong position in favor of open-source software in order to "promote technological development" and help "reach technological independence." For this reason the computers will use the open-source Linux, but the components are also compatible with the Windows operating system.
-Source: http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/2441

Can you imagine getting a country onboard?

The implications of this really need to be explained to the right people in these countries.

An international arbitration panel has ordered Venezuela's government to pay $1.6bn to oil-giant Exxon Mobil for the seizure of a major oil project in the country, along with other losses.  Maybe they should pay Exxon in BitUSD;)

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I meant, here's your rebuttal to those who say:

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"NO. Because in the end of the day I am not doing something illegal and have nothing to hide."

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"if there could be a social decentralized network that nobody can spy on you, if you could send money without the need to disclose all your personal information, if you could have an internet that no one can spy your search habits, would you be interested in such services?" the most common answer I get is "NO. Because in the end of the day I am not doing something illegal and have nothing to hide."

It appears to me that people have linked in their head the decentralization and the privacy of information with something illegal. So how do you change that? .


History lessons.  People forget history... They think, it can't happen here, we are in some age of enlightenment where this sort of concern is no longer relevant.

I love this talk from Eben Moglen, and this paragraph is particularly topical.  Here's your rebuttal, emphasis mine.

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In other words—though it shouldn't be necessary to demonstrate, though we ought to have taken the bitter experience of American history in the 19th century and the history of the West in the 20th for sufficient demonstration—for those who really do like ignoring the facts and working it out abstractly, with chalk, privacy is a requirement of democratic self-government. The effort to fasten the procedures of pervasive surveillance on human society is the antithesis of liberty. - Eben Moglen from "Snowden and the Future"

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KeyID / Re: [DNS] v0.0.2 - Trade the snapshot and fight for delegate pay
« on: October 13, 2014, 04:48:35 am »
Registered as a 1% pay delegate, id "bits". 

Please vote for me.  Thanks!

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General Discussion / Re: Song
« on: October 12, 2014, 12:09:18 am »
There's always this..

"So as sure as the sun will shine
I'm gonna get my share now, what's mine
And then the harder they come
The harder they fall, one and all"

8)

Jimmy Cliff - The Harder They Come
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Znh0OM9jiA

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General Discussion / Re: Song
« on: October 11, 2014, 11:49:37 pm »

This song sortof jumped out and seemed relevant somehow.. :)

Sam Roberts Band - We're all in this together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZy2njB8V8U

Are we looking for something with a real good 'hook'?  Like the car commercials do? ;)  or, something directly relevant, lyrics wise.


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General Discussion / Re: Meetup Organizer Resources
« on: October 11, 2014, 08:39:55 pm »
I will do!  And share the results as they emerge.

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