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Reality is absolute, our understanding or perception of reality is not.

Luckybit is that what you meant?
Reality is not absolute. Reality is a matter of probabilities. Nothing is absolute.
Are you absolutely sure that nothing is absolute?

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We aren't absolutely certain about whether this universe is the real one or some virtualized simulation running on a multiverse computer. We don't know if the universe is a hologram or not.

We don't know if the universe is "real" or not because our only means of determining what is or isn't real is very limited. We basically use math and logic to try to determine what is or isn't real, and ultimately the only reason something is real is because the probability of it being fake is statistically not likely. The concept of real and fake, and trying to determine what is real in the absolutely sense of the word, is something which you cannot prove.

You ultimately end up relying on perceptions, on mathematics, on logic, but you don't have the kind of certainty that is absolute.

What you have said above is reliant on perceptions, mathematics, and logic. I suppose you believe that to be absolutely true. Or do you not?

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Truth is absolute, our perception of truth i not. The world is the way it is, regardless of how we understand it.

What way is that, and what are we? You have to know yourself before you can even answer the kind of questions you're trying to ask, and honestly the quality of your answer depends on the quality and structure of your question. If the universe is a computer, then it can compute, and we can compute along with it, but it doesn't tell you why, it doesn't give you any absolute truth, there is no absolute truth so far that we have beyond the mathematics which are notoriously uncertain.

I'm no mathematician but I know enough about quantum physics to know there is no absolute truth on the quantum scale. What is absolute reality?

You see Luckybit, you are making several assertions and you are hoping that those who read them will agree with you, but at the same time you are saying that nothing is absolute (which I am guessing you are including your own assertions). If what you are arguing for is not absolute, at least in your mind, then why should we even listen to what you have to say?

I don't believe everything you say is wrong, for I've read many of your posts and you make a lot of sense. But when you say that there is no absolute truth then that strikes a wrong chord with logic.

Logic is undeniable, for anyone who tries to refute it must first use it and thereby is affirming it. It's like saying "I can't speak a word in English." What's wrong with that sentence? Obviously, in making that statement, the statement itself has been negated, because the speaker had to speak English in order to communicate the idea that he or she couldn't speak English. It is a self-refuting affirmation. "I don't exist" is another example, for one has to exist in order to make the statement.

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The statement "truth isn't absolute" is making an absolute statement of truth, which makes it a self-defeating statement.
Reality are just probabilities. That is all reality is on the quantum scale.

You see you are making two absolute affirmations here, "just" = just that, nothing else, and "that is all reality is" = "it can't be anything else".

Please think about this. Your post contains several absolutes and yet you negate that there are absolutes. Your are engaging in double talk or contradiction.

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So when someone says they know there is an absolute truth, how can you know that when on the quantum scale it looks like the universe hasn't decided on that?  From what I know if a decision is made, it happens at the collapse of a wave function, if you would even want to think about it as the universe making a decision to solidify reality.

I am sorry I don't understand what you are saying here.

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When I say we don't have certainty I mean based on our current understanding we don't. When I say we don't have an absolute truth I'm basing it on my philosophical interpretation.

There are many things we can be certain about, there are also  many things we are not certain about. For example, we are certain that 2+2=4, and all mathematics and deductive logic give us certainty. But when we delve in the realm of science, for instance, I agree with you that "we don't have certainty ... based on our current understanding".

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Below are my opinions on the nature of reality...

Reality isn't absolute. There is fuzzy logic. Meaning the numbers between 1 and 0, true and false, or the percentage something is true or false.

Reality is absolute, our understanding or perception of reality is not.

Luckybit is that what you meant?

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Our reality is made up of consensus. A scientifically recognized fact is only a fact because of scientific consensus. A computer can and does use logic to determine true or false, and that logic is the closest we can get to proving anything in life, as it's accuracy is more accurate than any other tool we have.

Some things we might conclude through consensus. Much of it we arrive through deductive logic, and that is what computers are good at. "Scientific consensus" or inductive logic is collecting data and then is analysed to draw a probable conclusion, the more data or information we have the higher the probability.

Deductive logic gives us certainty. Inductive logic gives us probability. Computers are excellent at deductive logic, but are limited by the information they have in applying inductive logic (the scientific method), I think that we humans, at least until now, are better at this method than computers are.

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So you can prove something is logically true. 1+1=2 is logically true. When you're dealing with something which cannot be proven in that way, like what happened during an event, now you've got many perspectives who have to report in and you deal with a percentage of true and false. The true outweighing the false makes truth in that case which means consensus.

I don't know if we can necessarily call this consensus, for consensus implies that we take a vote to see what people think is true. In the case of an event, even if there was no one there to see what happened we can still determine more less what happened by collecting data (forensics), we might gather fingerprints, hidden camera recordings, etc. such as in a murder case.

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A computer can prove theorems, it can do math, it can do logic and reasoning, and depending on the strength of AI it can use it's abilities to find facts. This doesn't mean a computer at this time can reveal the nature of reality, or tell you what happened at a sporting event. It could give you probabilities about which team should or could have won, but ultimately only the oracles can tell you who won.

Only if the oracles are using one of the two methods, or by merely guessing. I don't believe anyone has a monopoly on truth.

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You can have an AI or something similar watching the game through people's cellphones, it might be able to determine who won, but at this time prediction markets with blockchains are the closest human beings can get to determining truth. Truth isn't absolute in any case, there are always percentages, even with logic, even with reality, and it's only true or false because of logic, and computers happen to be good at logic.

Truth is absolute, our perception of truth i not. The world is the way it is, regardless of how we understand it.

The statement "truth isn't absolute" is making an absolute statement of truth, which makes it a self-defeating statement.

Here are my favorite self-defeating statements:

I will now predict an unanticipated result.
If your father was sterile, the same is probably true of you.
To distinguish the real from the unreal one must experience both.  :P


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General Discussion / Re: BitShares 2.0 Roadmap (for the next 4-6 months)
« on: November 26, 2015, 10:58:49 pm »
+5%
It's easier to read. Good job.

Would it be possible to add an "estimated time completion" column?
Done  :)
But I'll need some help to get the data for this column.

EDIT: I've made the change in my code while cass took a copy of the previous version.
Tomorrow we'll merge these two into one.
http://neura-sx.github.io/roadmap.xml
https://bitshares.org/roadmap.xml

Thanks, I really believe in what the late Peter Drucker use to teach:

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What gets tracked gets managed

Keep it up Jakub

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares 2.0 Roadmap (for the next 4-6 months)
« on: November 26, 2015, 09:52:36 pm »
I've come to the conclusion that we need something more robust than github can offer.

So I've created an XML file which is easily manageable:
https://github.com/neura-sx/neura-sx.github.io/blob/master/roadmap.xml

And thanks to a very nice invention called XSLT it is able to render itself in the browser to this human-readable format:
http://neura-sx.github.io/roadmap.xml

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It's easier to read. Good job.

Would it be possible to add an "estimated time completion" column?

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General Discussion / Re: Price of BitShares on Dec 25th?
« on: November 25, 2015, 11:53:42 pm »
1230

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General Discussion / Re: A discussion about social tokens....(EMOTOKENS?)
« on: November 21, 2015, 05:19:52 pm »
#sharebits "rgcrypto" 1 FISTBUMP

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General Discussion / Re: A discussion about social tokens....(EMOTOKENS?)
« on: November 21, 2015, 05:12:25 pm »
MEGUSTA mucho, DAME5.  :D

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 +5% +5% +5%

Very good point.

UIA have so many possibilities if you really think about it.

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General Discussion / Re: [ANN - AMA] bitCash - Digital Money of the Future!
« on: November 20, 2015, 05:30:32 am »
Inspiring idea, would love to help in any way.  +5%

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares price discussion
« on: November 19, 2015, 07:00:44 am »
Tuck, What do you mean by 925?

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Random Discussion / Coinpayments
« on: November 15, 2015, 02:22:49 pm »
Does anyone know whether Coinpayments is decentralized?

https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2198/_coinpayments-the-largest-payment-processor-of-over-55-cryptocurrencies.html

They already have over 16,000 merchants.

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Top 1000 richest accounts of BTS , USD , CNY,NOTE etc for BTS2.0,
Updated daily.Hope useful for somebody.
http://richlist.btsgame.org/

The rich list link is down, domain name hasn't been paid.

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General Discussion / Re: LOST BITSHARES / IDEA PROPOSAL
« on: November 12, 2015, 10:02:34 pm »
Backup file + passphrase!


brainkey is a part of the file

How is the brainkey used to recover your account?

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General Discussion / Re: Now is a good time to tell people about BTS.
« on: November 10, 2015, 05:07:24 am »
 +5% +5% Thanks Luckybit, that's what I told the couple of people before they invested in BTS.

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