Quote from: happybit on October 16, 2014, 04:10:38 pm

Quote from: amencon on October 15, 2014, 06:14:58 pm

Quote from: Ander on October 15, 2014, 05:19:09 pm

Quote from: happybit on October 15, 2014, 02:48:44 pm

I'm still not really sure how all those super intelligent people support POW if it is as unnecessary as the proof-of-stake community claims, including delegated proof of stake.

Because they have created a religion in which all altcoins, and especially all non-PoW coins are scams, and then they refuse to think about the issue any more.

They haven't created a "religion" nor a "cult".  I agree examples of "tribalism" are rampant among many Bitcoin supporters (as well as other cryptos, this one included) but I don't think that wording fits at all in any case that it's used related to new crypto tech communities.  It's insulting and inflammatory, but not very accurate.

Further, the vast majority of transactions are perfectly fine to be accepted with 0 confirmations.  In most use cases bitcoin transactions will be relatively close to how fast current DPOS transactions are.  In my opinion there are plenty of benefits from the DPOS system where we don't need to misrepresent the facts, though it is a nice marketing line.

I agree, I don't believe it is a case of "religious/cult" adherence.  The whole crypto community is the exact anthesis of that in my view.

I will look at the link, Thanks guys

I have read so much, but it is overwhelming so please bear with me, and other newbies.  Having ANYONE attack those who are trying to learn in their own way, and coming to ask questions, is really detrimental to Bitshare's success

You never know who a "newbie" is, and from my experience of personally helping and explaining bitcoin to well over 2000 individuals, I can tell you that sometimes the most unlikely "student/newbie" becomes a beacon of hope, information and growth to the community!  Be it Bitcoin, Bitshares or some other alt-coin

-- Be nice! -- yes, this is mainly directed at TONYK.  (I read a lot of your posts saying where you say you will try to change etc, good luck!) --

Hmm I realize I didn't answer your main question, I think there are pros and cons to each system.  POW has the benefit of being utilized on a large scale for many years with Bitcoin.  It's a tested consensus mechanism and in most cases has been "good enough".

Scale a DPOS DAC to Bitcoin levels and have it run mostly smoothly for years and I bet you'll get a lot more DPOS proponents.

For the most part I think most people are interested in the Bitcoin network and bulding it's partnerships and infrastructure.  As long as Bitcoin has the largest network you are going to see people focused on growing that system regardless of other theoretical improvements being offered by startups.

Thanks, got it... and also LOVED the Comparison Table!

Quote from: Empirical1.1 on October 17, 2014, 09:57:33 am

The first paragraph you quoted is about Ripple.
They're the ones that changed their share numbers.

(Ripple has 100 Billion shares but as only 8% are actually on the market they have been valued by that. However when BitSharesX took the no.3 spot on coinmarketcap, Ripple decided that another 20 Billion or so XRP they had earmarked for investors/partners deserved to count towards their CAP. Something like that. But yeah BTSX would be no.3 if it wasn't for that re-jig. You can look at the Ripple graph and see the change on Aug 26 or something.)

Yea thanks for pointing that out, it was so obvious to me I didn't even realize the OP might be thinking that was actually done for BTSX! That kind of silly (deceitful even) behaviour is of course a Ripple thing, not Bitshares.

I wasn't trying to be deceitful.. I've been talking up Bitshares to friends, and they are sending me this stuff, and to be honest, I thought it was about Bitshares too...

Thanks for the clarification.  Maybe you guys can fix that on Bitcointalk! I have the link there, but here it is again:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=658541.msg9226591#msg9226591

maybe others are misinterpreting that too

[do you want me to delete/change to OP?]

thanks...
and btw there are no red letters next to the box. Now, it simply says "Must be registered account on the blockchain or unregistered account KEY. "

Yes, I believe the "red message" is on btc38.com

Get your stuff out!

some people here claim they can! ... my account is not working, but maybe you will have luck!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=824211.0;all

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it is 'up' but not working at all for me!  

I've had the exact same thing happen before!!!  It was a f*cking chrome extension!!!

They update automatically and can become malware without you being able to do anything about it!!!

I thought lastpass was changing the addresses on me, and I tried turning it off, and turning off autofill and everything.

Nothing worked, and then I found that it was a bitcoin price notification extension (i found out by searching for the address it was sent to, and found others posting about similar problems) I checked yours, google didn't say anything, though it could be a new virus.

I asked a google developer about how this could happen, he said: "Just turn off autoupdate" -- that is not possible from what I see, and he couldn't figure it out either.

be super careful with Chrome Extensions

I can digup more info on this if you need it. Good luck!  I hope it wasn't this, and BTer can somehow give you back your BTC

This question is from a friend:

:Why is the core code in libraries? ... libraries are always external.

:101 noob mistake...  you call it \src

:i just don't understand, like, not even putting the effort in proper code structure
: they have a market engine? hmmm
: ok, that is interesting
: normally in any source base, you clearly distinguish between your own code and foreign code
: so, libs is where you put all the stuff you use
: src is where you put your own source code

: // prime the pump, to make sure that margin calls (asks) have a bid to check against.
: they have margining in there...
: this is such, such a bad idea

: but how do they plug the exchange engine into their blockchain?!

Please help me respond to him, I'm trying to get him to take a closer look at Bitshares.  [i do not code, but will forward your response to him]

Yes 

Not sure how much I had there, I have buy/sell orders on many exchanges, and lost track of this one!

I think that DPOS and PoS in general is fighting against such a strong, and now 'established' community of POW supporters, that it would be really good to make a PRO-CON wiki showing all the pros and cons of each in a table format.

I'm still not really sure how all those super intelligent people support POW if it is as unnecessary as the proof-of-stake community claims, including delegated proof of stake.

Have you seen anything like that?