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General Discussion / Re: How much is a new user worth?
« on: October 05, 2014, 01:44:20 am »
The strategy in general is old hat. It will mostly attract frugal people trying to penny pinch. These kind of give-aways were unique 10 years ago when PayPal did it... not so much anymore. I see this as basically airdropping BitUSD on a strategically poor demographic. There are WAY better places to seed BitUSD. Example: Airdrop BitUSD on the OpenBazaar community (after integrating BitUSD into their code). This way it'll be spent within a community that will genuinely benefit from a non-volatile crypto and it has a good potential of spreading to other markets after OB success.  We get to piggyback on OB publicity, real demand is created for BitUSD, important eyes are on OB, the PEG is enforced through increased volume, etc, etc etc. See this post.



Aaack!  My apologies.  I accidentally hit "modify" not "quote" and messed up this post. 
Context is preserved in subsequent posts.
Stan
I have to differ from you here. OB will naturally want to use bitUSD for one reason and thats profit. As soon as a mechrant or buyer gets burned by the falling price of whatever their payment option of choice is they are going to look to stability and they will have bitUSD. Nothing is worse then a merchant counting his profit only to see a market flash crash or a buyer who jumps over the hurdles of turning fiat digital only to find that his purchase is 50$ but he chose to buy (fill in btc or any alt) and whoops I only now have 48$.

I think you are 100% on point that we should be all over OB but I don't think we need to give and or really market to them because they are going to want that stability.

Actually their will be one thing we need to provide and thats depth if we can give them a bank card to go with it great but at the very least we need a 100k(higher the better) buy wall at .96 cents or higher(closer to 1:1 the better) and they will come all on their on.

I was asked a question when talking to a friend(no crypto back round) if he would use a system that gave him a bank card and some free money and he didn't care about titan,bitUSD, or any of the really cool features  all he wanted to know is

How much do I have to deposit to open the account and how much do I get?
Where is the card accepted like visa, mastercard etc?
Will it work at atm's?

I think the average consumer isn't going to care and really are going to just want to know the above. Most people just want things to work and thats it......

With the current bleed down in BTC this would be a very opportune time for I3 to do some marketing to OB devs and OB supporters.

Imagine if OB was running on BTC and merchant holdings dropped 50% over a few months? Wow.

This is a simple as:

1. Talk to OB devs

2. Push code

3. News release

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General Discussion / Re: Super Delegates - The Future of DACs
« on: October 05, 2014, 01:30:40 am »
Why the need to distinguish them as "super"? Shareholders already evaluate pay on a per-delegate basis. Your only functional proposal is how the delegate's pay is decided.

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Super Delegates would be in addition to the 101 'Security' Delegates and Superdels do not sign transactions.

BTSX needs to 'hire' folks that know how to market etc., not just those that are able set up a server... and I don't want limit the candidate pool to only those folks that happen to know how to run servers.

The idea is to leverage the existing delegate infrastructure to provide additional functionality.

'Super Delegates' was simply a catchy way to title the post.

Perhaps a better generic term would be 'Operations Delegate' (OpDel?) and each one would be titled according to function:

- Marketing Delegate

- Development Delegate

- Legal Delegate

etc.

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General Discussion / Re: Super Delegates - The Future of DACs
« on: October 05, 2014, 12:14:37 am »
The CFO Super Delegate, can try finding funding using:

-Outside financing (aka loan of some kind) - success of this is highly unlikely...

-'Issue' DAC Bond - hopefully someone will figure a way how to do it technically.

- Finance the DAC by issuing new shares... aka the d.../i.../d...

My personal opinion is that Chief-anything positions should be avoided like the plague - they are simply not needed because the Bitshares platform allows direct representation.

My other personal opinion is that if a business with effectively zero CAPEX needs to get a loan something is seriously wrong.

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General Discussion / Re: Super Delegates - The Future of DACs
« on: October 05, 2014, 12:02:07 am »
So basically the tx fees would be adjusted to increase revenue, instead of using dilution to get funds for particular needs in the future?

Yes; transaction fees will need to reflect the cost of operating the business.

Right now operating costs are effectively being subsidized by AGS funding (similar to a startup/VC funding).

Eventually operating cost will need to be covered by revenue.

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General Discussion / Re: Super Delegates - The Future of DACs
« on: October 04, 2014, 11:53:53 pm »
Sorry, that post was huge.

TL;DR:

Expenses such as marketing, development, legal etc. should be funded from revenue rather than dilution.

Revenue allocations should be determined using the voting mechanism.

Revenue not used to fund operating expenses should be returned to shareholders via burn.

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General Discussion / Super Delegates - The Future of DACs
« on: October 04, 2014, 11:50:50 pm »
We know DACs can generate and distribute profits... but how does a DAC manage operating expenses?

Currently BTSX is able to effectively manage OPEX for security via the delegate pay rates, but how can funds be raised/allocated for marketing, maintenance, development etc?

There is an important thread on this subject (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9603.0 where folks are struggling with the use of dilution/inflation/debasement to fund a marketing campaign.

Issuing new shares to raise capital, or printing money to stimulate an economy, are common practices in centralized systems that work reasonably well (corporate share issues) to horribly (fiat debasement).

Dilution/inflation/debasement schemes end badly more often than not (ie. current global economy, denarius through USD) and have a disturbing tendency to funnel value from the many to the few.

A decentralized system has no need to dilute/inflate/debase nor should such schemes be permitted under any pretense.

Currently:

BTSX Revenue = Transaction fees etc.

BTSX Expenses = Security via delegate pay

BTSX Profit = Revenue - Expenses = Burn

It is not a reasonable/sustainable to assume the only OPEX will be paying delegates to provide network security.

Suppose (ha!) a new class of delegates, Super Delegates, are created to manage these other operating expenses - marketing, development, legal, etc:

- One superdel position is created for each operating expense, ie. Brian would be the Marketing SD, Dan would be the Development SD, [a lawyer] would be the Legal SD etc.

- The superdel is responsible for administering fund allocations to further the interests of the DAC in the most effective and efficient manner possible.

- If the superdel is not effective, he/she is voted out and a new superdel voted in.

- A short grace period (term) would be required to allow Superdels some time to implement their platform, say three or six months. Thereafter any Superdel candidate with a higher percentage of votes can replace the current Superdel. Upon being appointed the new Superdel then has the grace period, etc.

- Superdel fund allocations that are not used by the end of the year are burned, ie. unused value is returned to shareholders.

Now... how are the pay rates/allocations set and adjusted?

Each Superdel pay rate/allocation is determined in exactly the same way as delegates are elected, by shareholder vote:

- The entire burn is available for OPEX, ie. security and Superdels

- Whatever is left over after security is paid is eligible for Superdel allocation

- Whatever is not allocated to Superdels is burned

A quick/simple example of how this mechanism would operate:

Currently marketing is a high priority; shareholders vote Brian in as the Marketing Superdel and allocate 100% of the burn to Marketing.

Over the next three months Brian rolls out marketing campaigns that flop.

Meanwhile MeTHoDx has been killing it on the message boards and has all kinds of good ideas backed by the community. Brian's grace period expires and the community votes in MeTHoDx as the Marketing Superdel. He goes to town and market cap skyrockets.

BTSX hits a $1T cap and plateaus; all demographics have achieved critical mass and marketing campaigns no longer meaningfully impact market cap.

Shareholders vote to reduce the Market Superdel allocation and thereby increase the burn. Market cap starts ticking up because of the increased ROI to shareholders.

Shortly thereafter Big Gov/Bank collude to introduce legislation aimed at dismantling decentralized finance platforms.

Shareholders vote to allocate 100% of the burn to the Legal Superdel. The legal Superdel receives the fiat equivalent of millions of USD in funding and is able to retain a high profile legal team who successfully challenge the proposed legislation.

Etc. etc.

Once the AGS funds are spent the training wheels come off - a mechanism such as this is the only way to ensure DACs don't crash once Daddy lets go.

Such a system will make DACs truly sustainable by giving the DAC the means to grow, adapt and evolve.

For consideration and review.

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We have an OpenBazaar developer response:

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The beauty of OpenBazaar and it being open, is that you don't really need our consideration to do this, you can start working on it yourself or rally troops to help you with this great idea.

like it was said before, we're still getting things to a beta stage. Ideally the tools needed to work with BitUSD would be so similar to BTC that it'd be a matter of just replacing the blockchain checks for another one depending on the currency specified in the transaction.

It is certainly a possibility and the idea sounds really attractive as a way to get rid of the volatility issue. I've not read a single line about it yet, thanks for bringing it up. Didn't know about BitUSD.

http://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/2i849x/would_you_consider_using_a_nonvolatile_crypto_in/cl0eokn

Hats off to MeTHoDx! Well done, the seed has been planted.

bitUSD makes eminent sense as the default currency for something like OB.

Other crypto-currencies can/should be implemented (Monero, etc) to serve specific purposes.

Now we need I3 to follow up formally with OB devs, implement bitUSD and make a very public announcement.

This is extremely cheap and powerful marketing.

Devs, please comment as soon as convenient.

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Retaining a dev outside of I3 will be terribly inefficient and costly.

OB and Bitshares are very early in the development cycle and both are going to need ongoing support for a very long time (years).

The only way to do this properly is for I3 to form a strategic partnership with OB.

OB is to commerce what Bitshares is to finance.

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General Discussion / Re: The current path of USD to bitUSD
« on: October 04, 2014, 06:57:19 pm »
Soon to be 1 step.

 +5%

I3 just keeps nailing it.

What is really fantastic about bitUSD though, is that it lends itself so perfectly to something like localbitcoins. It will be almost impossible to be scammed or ripped off if the seller just charges a % fee and then gives you bitUSD one for one.

Localbitcoins is interesting because it provides a way to completely sidestep the banking complex and exchange physical assets for digital assets.

It would very, very interesting if, in addition to CC/debit gateways, I3 could integrate a P2P gateway for direct conversion of physical to crypto.

So P2P USD -> bitUSD, CNY -> bitCNY, gold -> bitGLD, silver -> bitSLV etc. etc.

Circle + Localbitcoins.

Edit: I just re-read... imagine the love child of Circle/LBTC integrated into the client.

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TITAN would be fantastic for something like OB if well implemented.

A BTSX account could be created at the same time at the OB account.

User/merchant name = bitUSD send/receive address.

My limited experience in getting people use Bitcoin has shown the public address system to be a bit of a stumbling block.

Folks that use fiat banking (ie. big OB demographic) are accustomed to sending money by name, such as when a cheque/bank draft etc. is created.

TITAN gives crypto the ability to provide a familiar user experience.

All that said, eventually we need a browser wallet where  buyers can just agree to pay right on the merchant's order page. Back end no one will care about.

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General Discussion / Re: Is it time to close the curtains?
« on: October 04, 2014, 04:16:09 pm »
I completely understand the desire to protect intellectual capital from parasites.

However, this technology is about far more than winning an arms race.

It's about changing the world - and I'm not being glib.

If other platforms can use the ideas generated here to advance decentralized global finance, so much the better.

Bitcoin -> Bitshares -> ?

I don't know what's next, but the sooner we (as in humanity) get there, the better.

TL;DR an open community is the only way forward.

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OB is open-source - we should ask I3 to task some dev time to integrating bitUSD.

Make it easy for the OB devs; I3 has one of the best crypto teams in the business.

As an AGS investor I would support the use of AGS funds for OB/bitUSD integration.

The ROI could be enormous and there is really no better way to jump-start bitUSD adoption.

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General Discussion / Re: interest on bitUSD held
« on: October 04, 2014, 04:01:30 pm »
Can someone please help me understand how holders of bitUSD earn interest?  Is it because bitUSD transactions have fees and those fees are paid in bitUSD and a portion of those fees are burned?  Or is it another way?

Short answer is yes, bitUSD transaction fees are flowed through to bitUSD holders as yield.

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General Discussion / Re: How much is a new user worth?
« on: October 04, 2014, 03:58:37 pm »
There are two issues at play here:

1) Should we issue more shares to fund marketing.
2) Is a $100 debit card bonus a worthwhile use of capital.

I see a lot of discussion on the merits of issuing new shares but almost nothing related to #2.

1) No; a slippery slope that historically has not ended well.

2) Premature; need to onboard existing crypto demographic first via conventional/P2P marketing.

And  +5% to bitcoinba ^

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KeyID / Re: BitsharesBlocks DNS/KeyID!
« on: October 04, 2014, 03:49:55 pm »
 +5%

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