Please make these steps to get more infos about your donations...

Go to your BitShares-PTS Wallet, then go to ...

1. Help

2. Debug window

3. Console

4. type:         getagsbalance *

I think you will be ok after these 4 steps 

You forgot to mention/post a potential virtual graph with the btsX value,  most PTS holder's have also that value in their pockets !!!, because of the first snapshot on PTS wallets at 28 februar...
Example: I have 1000 PTS, since I bought  them I "lost" say 30% BUT I have more than 1000 BTSX added for "free" because of the snapshot... Ok I don't know yet the BTSX value but I am confident that PTS+BTSX= much more ROI then if I had NXT shares (Just my opinion). But even if the value will not be the expected one, it has nothing to do with what you wanted to "promote" with your posted graph's. Hope "you" understand the real picture now...

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So when Angelshares came into play, that ratio went from mostly vesting stakeholders for "work" to vesting stakeholders for paying Invictus.   Because that "for your work" segment is no longer available, having been sold by Invictus, it means anybody coming into Bitshares now will have to buy them for real money up front instead of being able to just participate and be compensated at a minimal level as was promised.

Adam it appears you are blind to the mining farms that control things these days.   Doing worthless work and paying for it destroys value and produces nothing.  Apparently you feel people should pay electric companies rather than giving the money to us.   Either way it is charity.    Everyone already had to buy them for real with money up front... also, PTS mining is still available for people that think like you.

Lastly we only ever said 10% and never the 20% number you mentioned.   

Bottom line:  mining difficulty would increase with the value of our idea and thus consume 100% of the millions of dollars contributed to this idea allowing those who operate large mining farms (like you did early on) to profit.    You told me you made more money from PTS in 2 weeks than you did with LTB in any month.  You were working with large mining operations acquiring and reselling to major players in the market a very large percentage of the PTS being mined every day.  In fact, I would venture to say that you may have made more from PTS than I did.   

So from where I sit, it seems you very much liked the idea of profiting from being the middle man between the mass-production miners and the average guy on the street who has to buy from you because mining is way to slow or difficult to purchase more than a token amount (equal to perhaps 3x your power bill).

So we cut out the middle man (you) and those doing worthless work (mass miners) and 'sold' direct to consumers which then gives us money that is is being spent to increase the value of what they received where as the money they gave you and the mass miners did nothing to help their investment succeed.

make sense   

My personal experience from raising two sons is that you better not treat one better than the other -- you are being watched verrrry closely!   

 

hope the future DAC owners have also kids or at least...  brothers/sisters 

That makes sense only to the point that you wonder PTS is doing the same.. unless I'm missing something about the future volume of PTS being a lot more than it is now.

Right now 1PTS=4AGS so right now if you don't mind to have something that is not liquid (at least for now  ) ... AGS is the only option...
At the end we will have in existence 2.000.000 PTS and 2.000.000 AGS...

One question to Stan:
After the fundraising/donation AGS period, the only way to invest in future DACs more money (or if new investors want to invest on them) would be only possible via PTS (or AGS if they are liquid then...) So I assume that a good strategy for a DAC owner to make a fundraising for his DAC is to buy a lot of PTS before he announces the snapshot date (?)... and just sell them before the snapshot? Am I missing something?

Being willing is sustainable as long as they don't actually have to do it. 

lol x 2 

 

Best of luck dom, please drop a line here when it's ready to go!

Also bm I think delulo has a point... That last comment was pretty abrasive and comes off as bitter and resentful, even if it is factually sound


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belongs to history...
let's move on !!!

Is it possible that PTS could be in a position stronger than AGS later

In my mind in the future (after the end of fundraising) 1AGS will worth 1PTS or even more!!! And that's because the most AGS holders are 100% stronger believers of the bitshares/DACs concept then PTS holders. A percentage that hold's PTS are pure/semi speculators and not real investors of the project that will sell just a few hours before the snapshots... If you would give shares of your company (DAC) for "free"  which would you prefer most, the AGS holders or the PTS holders? Only if Bitshares concept fails PTS holders will have an "advantage" over AGS holders. Correct me please BM if you think I am partially wrong...