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The BitShares Newsletter is coming out within the week I was told. It has a section all about the music project.

Cob, I read the music part of the newsletter and it contains no information about this topic. It seems to focus exclusively on PeerTracks which is a private company building a proprietary system. I don't understand why this is supposed to be a new concept in music distribution. The blockchain may well receive none of the resources collected in the Notes sale and you wouldn't be breaking any promises. Don't you see how damaging it is to remain silent on the definition of what the money is for?

I'm not asking about the secret plans for PeerTracks to compete with Apple. I'm asking how much of the donations you received you intend to spend on your own private company.

Surely it's also important to realise that the Notes Sale Agreement contract makes no single mention of PeerTracks. It says that the "BitShares Music Foundation" will "fund development" but leaves no clue as to whether the resulting intellectual property paid for by the Foundation with funds received by Notes purchasers will actually be owned by the foundation in whole or part or whether the Foundation will instead merely route this money into a black hole. None of these omissions are a good sign. It gives me a sinking feeling of dread and makes me worry for you and the project goals.

It's not a lot of money, and I'm not suggesting that this is a scam but I'm increasingly flabbergasted by your apparent unwillingness to say anything about how the funds will be apportioned. I assume you know the answer since you're the one writing newsletter contributions. If you don't know the answer then you're definitely in over your head.

Assuming, as I do, that you are a good guy with good intentions, perhaps you can accept that you are putting your reputation in danger here. You have the opportunity now, before spending that money, to clarify the distinction between your private property (PeerTracks) and a publicly funded, non-profit foundation. Failing to take that opportunity is a risk you should seriously think through.

All this to say that in the first days of January you will be presented with a detailed schedule with the main milestones clearly stated. This will be posted in the forums, it will be a newsletter in itself and the sites will be updated accordingly as well.

I'm keen to read that but a detailed schedule will be useless to me if it does not explain who owns the software being made and who gets the money making it.

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Muse/SoundDAC / Re: Can Music beat that ?
« on: January 03, 2015, 01:01:48 am »
infographic of how much an artist must sell to make min wage

http://imgur.com/xqbewMM

That's really interesting. I notice that the self-pressed CD is an album whereas the streams are counted on a per-track basis. Do you know enough about the stats used to say if the time required to create an album used as the cost & time basis of the break-even calculation for the per-track streams? I would hope they'd convert that to a single track since we might assume a single track averages about 10% of the time and effort of an album.

Another question I have about this is the radio plays. When we see how bad streams are for artists (as they clearly seem to be) how can we compare internet streams to radio streams? Radio streams mean one play goes to many listeners. Internet streams are for one listener each. So the one radio broadcast "stream" should be worth 100,000 internet streams for a radio with an audience of 100,000.

I'd love to learn more about these models in more detail. If Peertracks is going to be better than these existing systems this is exactly the sort of detailed analysis that is needed.

(edit: grammar)

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Muse/SoundDAC / Re: Azealia Banks and Bitshares Music / PeerTracks
« on: January 03, 2015, 12:46:24 am »
What did you say in your youtube message if you don't mind me asking?

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Cob I notice you've since posted in the other thread so I can only assume you've either missed this or decided not to answer my question.

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Whereof a lawyer is needed, thereof non-lawyers must remain silent.

Curious about your comment here. Are you suggesting that there are legal impediments to anyone from the project actually answering my question?

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Hi Cob,

Thanks for your reply. The BitShares newsletter will contain a schedule of estimated work for the next quarter. I understand you believe in the need for secrecy so Peertracks can compete with Apple etc.

However, it doesn't seem that you have answered my question. I'm sorry if I didn't ask it clearly.

How much of the Bitcoin raised from the purchase of Notes is being spent on development of Peertracks intellectual property which is going to be owned by Peertracks for the benefit of its shareholders and how much is going to the development of open source software that benefits everyone?

If I read between the lines of your response it seems that there is no separation between Peertracks and Bitshares Music Foundation at this stage.

It also seems from what you have said so far that, currently, 100% of the money is being spent on developing Peertracks proprietary systems but you will be sending some people to Virginia to work with the BitShares core team later (after they release 1.0) and that's when the percentage will change from 100% and the work on open source code will happen.

Do you see how somebody might imagine a conflict of interest here?

Apologies if I have misunderstood.

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Thanks for the support oco101.

I was a little concerned that my probing questions would be taken as some kind of attack but I am absolutely not interested in doing anything of the sort.

My concerns are around forming expectations for the project using my own experience in software development. I think the fact that monetary contributions are invested in something that is clearly promoted as a growing future potential, this makes the need for transparency absolutely critical.

There is a lot of optimism in this forum, I find that quite attractive and I'm optimistic too. I'm also very intent on seeing the future potential of an equitable music distribution and commerce platform.

Right now I'm wondering whether the project is giving the right signals to a more skeptical observer. The regulated investment and securities system - flawed as it is - has quite a lot of procedural rules around disclosure, conflict of interest and operational consistency. This closes many loopholes that shady operators have abused in the past. If the voluntary activities of BitShares projects adhere to the spirit of similar diligence, the chance of a project going wrong will be less and the overall risk to BitShares will be lower.

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Following the advice of the Peertracks web site, I'm asking clarifying questions because I think the big project of equitable music distribution and commerce is vital for a healthy creative industry and I would expect others to have these same questions. As a part-time musician and a full-time software engineer, my obsession with blockchain technology has led me with great interest to this project. I'm concerned there may be insufficient clarity around the projects and their funding.

My understanding is that the presale of Notes raises money for the development of the Bitshares Music Foundation's own Bitshares Music blockchain upon which any "front-end" can provide music distribution services and artist coin services. Owners of Notes have an expectation that their contribution is used to build a common value.

Peertracks is the first of these front ends and is also being built by the same developers as the blockchain. Peertracks is also privately owned company while the Bitshares Music Foundation is a non-profit organisation. I don't know who the officers of the foundation are (is this published somewhere?)

Please correct me if any of this is wrong or misinterpreted.

Let me assure you I am not implying that there is any kind of misconduct or misleading behaviour going on. I expect there is merely an information gap as there often is in startups and projects at the beginning.

Nevertheless, I am looking for some specific information disclosures.

Are there some published statements from Peertracks or the Bitshares Music Foundation about which funds are used for funding the common utility of the DAC, the blockchain, open source code and which money will be used to develop and market Peertracks proprietary systems and brand properties? It seems the two organisations are very closely aligned and operationally blended.

Is there a source code repository for any of the work being funded by the sale of Notes?

This information would be crucial for my own decision process of whether to contribute financially to such a project and yet I have not been able to find this on the forum or on peertracks.com or bitsharesmusicfoundation.org which has a very prominent exclusive link to peertracks.com.

thanks in advance,

Christo

edit: typo

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Muse/SoundDAC / Re: Perhaps stupid question: Where is the music stored?
« on: December 14, 2014, 09:41:37 pm »
Maybe I should rephrase. Isn't there a peer to peer solution to what the servers provide? Right now BitTorrent shows that distribution is essentially free. Musicians don't have to host it themselves if they'd rather pay Peertracks but plenty of people would host music, again as BitTorrent shows.

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Muse/SoundDAC / Re: Perhaps stupid question: Where is the music stored?
« on: December 14, 2014, 01:39:09 pm »
I think this is a good question. Why should there be servers at all?

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