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Specific Projects => Muse/SoundDAC => Topic started by: cob on January 26, 2016, 09:00:37 pm

Title: Unanswered question thread
Post by: cob on January 26, 2016, 09:00:37 pm
Can you guys make a list of questions that have not yet been addressed and post them here.

There's a bunch of them already scattered around the sub-forum. So if someone could gather them all up and post them here, I would be able to see with the CEO, PR firm and attorney what I can divulge in public. As crypto-prometheus suggested, I should go AFK and let our PR firm handle the pitchfork and torches.

So get a clean list going and I can hand it off.

This thread should be only for listing questions. I will keep the thread clean by deleting any posts that aren't contributing to the questions. You have the entire internet to bash me haha, just don't do it in this particular thread.

Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on January 26, 2016, 09:49:58 pm
Cob that's absolutely not funny! We don't have the time to "bash" you just for fun!

- who is still on the team
- is eddy still around
- how are you running a business without funds?
- how do you pay for attorneys and a PR firm
- when will you provide a working webpage for both peertracks and muse?
- what is the status with poloniex?
- Chinese exchanges planed in the near future?
- what about your alpha tests you mentioned months ago

btw. this is how a webpage should look after 1.5 years!

http://www.augur.net

-etc
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: CryptoPrometheus on January 27, 2016, 01:24:23 am
Above questions are good ^^

In addition:

- Can you publish a document that lists how you have spent the crowdfund money?

- Will you be releasing a working Peertracks product before you begin your next round of fundraising?

- Has Bitsapphire succeeded or failed to deliver a working product? Do you still have a relationship with them?

- What technical obstacles must be overcome before launch? Someone said that the graphene code work is done, but you are waiting on web development/integration. Is this true?

- Are you willing to commit to publishing updates at regular intervals?

Even if you do not have any "major" news, I think it would be beneficial if you at least show up once a week and write a few paragraphs. As a crowdfunded organization, It is very strange that you keep your donors at such a distance. There are many ways to connect with us without having to "spill the beans" on your special sauce, and the longer you wait the more people will begin to question everything about your operation.

I also would love to see you on beyond bitcoin. Fuzzy's group hangout format is a great tool and frankly I am confused about why Peertracks (and some others) have not yet taken advantage of this platform.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on January 27, 2016, 01:52:22 am
And a few other questions:

- Will you be releasing a project plan? If so, when should we look for it? If not, will we have a broader list of proposed milestones?

- What are the plans for alpha testing? Will the alpha or beta be open testing?

- Have you secured a way for artists to create artistcoins and users to get  money into the system  through Credit Card?

- What exactly is Troopeers? Is that a working title or finalized?

- With your current funding level, will you still have enough to release the initial product?

- What are your plans for SXSW?

- Has Peertracks already paid the marketing firms upfront for work or is that another upcoming expense?

- Why wasn't there more transparency over the last few months when Peertracks was running into difficulty? Do you stand behind keeping the silence or do you wish you updated more frequently on the actual issues?

- Has Peertracks identified any mainstream artists that are willing to back the project (example Ujo Imogen Heap)

- Do you currently have another job (either Full Time or Part Time) or are you 100% Peertracks? How about Eddie? Do you expect this status to change in anyway in the next 90 days?


Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Ben Mason on January 27, 2016, 09:39:27 am
How much funding and time do you believe you need in order to launch a working peertracks product onto the muse blockchain?

Do you believe that the peertracks business model remains technically feasible? Is it still unique within the music space? How long before a different project launches successfully?

If there were alpha tests, what were the results?

Thanks cob
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: bitacer on January 28, 2016, 11:20:18 am
Have you ever tried contacting a Hip Hop artist or a Rapper in U.S.? Name us only one .
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on January 31, 2016, 07:16:35 pm
bump.

When will there be a reasonable reply from you cob?
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: bitacer on January 31, 2016, 08:09:03 pm
I dont think he has answers to these questions.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: donkeypong on January 31, 2016, 08:10:43 pm
Give him a week or two. Cob's not on the forum all the time.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on January 31, 2016, 08:28:28 pm
Give him a week or two. Cob's not on the forum all the time.

A week or two is perfectly reasonable for ALL queations answered since the queations need to bounce between different people. However, some of the questions such as "Is Eddy still around" shouldn't take 5 days for a response. As answers trickle in, they should be posted to investors.

 At half a million dollars, 1.5 years later and major investor concerns, I would handle this quite differently. Aside from Play, this has been the least amount of communication I've ever seen in a project. I don't mind if the project is still many months off, I care about the need for additional fundraisers when up until recently, investors were completely left in the dark. We dont even know if all the different people received the questions. Just a very weird way to run a company.

I believe SOMEONE will make this type of music project a huge success. I hope it's Peertracks.

Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on January 31, 2016, 08:49:39 pm
So Cob doesn't think I'm (or any of the investors I proxy for) picking on him, let me offer a suggestion how this could have been handled.

Muse Investors,

Thank you for your questions. I've identified 27 unique questions, 7 of which I can answer personally in the next 48 hours. As for the remaining questions, they've been sent to (names). I've received confirmation that these  parties have received your questions and have asked for 5 business to respond. I will follow-up with them in 3 days to verify everything is on track and will promptly communicate that information back to you.

[member=37209]bitacer[/member] [member=25351]Marky0001[/member]  Would you have felt better with this approach?

This shouldn't be rocket science. This isn't a hobby, maybe I just see it differently from everyone else.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: cob on February 01, 2016, 12:03:07 am
Getting you those answers by Monday.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 01, 2016, 01:13:29 am
Getting you those answers by Monday.

Perfect. Even if it's later, as long as you keep everyone in the loop, I would hope that would be more than enough for the MUSE community.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on February 01, 2016, 07:34:31 am
I am wondering why people are cuddling cob right now. Is it because you are afraid he quits the project and doesn't save your money?

I mean read the ltcgear threads people tend to be "friendly" when they see their money being at risk!

In any case COB has to deliver and we don't have to send him hugs and kisses! We invested in that project so please be realistic!

Scammers don't change their mind just because of friendly words plus why do you wan to give him even more time to answer the questions?

If this project was real and in progress he could answer all those questions on the toilet taking a quick shit!

Seems like his "pr department" has to find the crystal ball first before they can come up with "answers" lol
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: bitacer on February 01, 2016, 07:36:00 am
Whos project was ltcgear?
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on February 01, 2016, 08:35:42 am
Ltcgear was/is a mining project in Romania!

This ponzi blew up but the guy behind it was stalling his users for almost 1 year by teasing small portions of false hope.

In the end everyone was so tired that no one cares anymore and the scammer went away without any legal issues!

To me cob acts the same way right now that's why I am against cuddling him! He has to prove first and we shouldn't give him the time to delay it even more.

Right now there is no evidence for any kind of running software and unfortunately there is no real market to get rid of the muse bag.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: bitacer on February 01, 2016, 08:41:58 am
Well at least he is not in Romania! :)
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on February 01, 2016, 09:45:18 am
Well at least he is not in Romania! :)

I am pretty sure he has already been to Romania ^^
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Ben Mason on February 01, 2016, 09:54:19 am
Marky0001, no-one is cuddling up to Cob.  TravelsAsia's and others approach happens to be the most reasonable and constructive way to handle this situation.

I do not believe Cob is in any way a scammer and will certainly be reserving judgement until more facts are available.

I would urge Cob to hold nothing back at this stage.....the community and investors need to understand the difficulties the project has experienced in full and how the money has been spent with no working product available.  This is an ambitious project but It may be that we are not so far away from a live product as we think.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 01, 2016, 12:54:20 pm
I am wondering why people are cuddling cob right now. Is it because you are afraid he quits the project and doesn't save your money?


You are joking, right? While making LTCgear cracks might feel good, it doesn't get us any closer to our goals.  So let's recap:

- I've been pushing for greater transparency
- I made a list of specific questions I would like answered along with others
- I made a constructive criticism on how the communication of addressing the questions was handled
- I created a sample message to the community on how communication could have been improved with timelines

I don't care about LTCgear, lols or Romania, I care about my investment and those investors I proxy for. I don't care about could've, would've, should've, I care about what happens next.  The community asked some fantastic questions, Cob said he would address them on Monday.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 01, 2016, 12:56:09 pm

I would urge Cob to hold nothing back at this stage.....the community and investors need to understand the difficulties the project has experienced in full and how the money has been spent with no working product available.  This is an ambitious project but It may be that we are not so far away from a live product as we think.

 +5%
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on February 01, 2016, 03:54:05 pm
I am wondering why people are cuddling cob right now. Is it because you are afraid he quits the project and doesn't save your money?


You are joking, right? While making LTCgear cracks might feel good, it doesn't get us any closer to our goals.  So let's recap:

- I've been pushing for greater transparency
- I made a list of specific questions I would like answered along with others
- I made a constructive criticism on how the communication of addressing the questions was handled
- I created a sample message to the community on how communication could have been improved with timelines

I don't care about LTCgear, lols or Romania, I care about my investment and those investors I proxy for. I don't care about could've, would've, should've, I care about what happens next.  The community asked some fantastic questions, Cob said he would address them on Monday.

@travelasia: I really admire our patience and respect for cob. To me he passed a crucial border and he shouldn't expect any nice words at this point.

Your approach is very professional and it unmasks how naive cob really is. A German economic newspaper had a great article about peertracks some weeks ago.

They put everything in right perspective and came to the conclusion that cobs business plan isn't consistent, because it lacks basic and key features and how they shall work in regards of generating money.

Every step you make towards such guys you will act in their interest, because they like to fake a lot of progress.

There is absolutely no excuse anymore right now! First of all he needs to tell us all the information and I am confused why it takes one week lol!

Who is running the project then if he doesn't know what to reply in reaction? Isn't that ridiculous? Telling us there is PR and legal department hahahahaha.

No money left but telling us that different departments are working on the project? Are you serious???

Cob don't be a duchebag, simply tell us that there is nothing working and what your goals are for the future!
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: bitacer on February 01, 2016, 04:27:26 pm
No money, CEOs,  PR companies ..  :-\
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on February 01, 2016, 04:44:51 pm
No money, CEOs,  PR companies ..  :-\

Isn't cob the CEO :D
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Riverhead on February 01, 2016, 04:53:37 pm
No money, CEOs,  PR companies ..  :-\

Isn't cob the CEO :D

Cob is the crypto-guy. Eddie is the CEO.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on February 01, 2016, 04:59:41 pm
No money, CEOs,  PR companies ..  :-\

Isn't cob the CEO :D

Cob is the crypto-guy. Eddie is the CEO.


https://www.linkedin.com/in/c%25C3%25A9dric-cobban-460605a1


Hm, what does president mean?

Too bad the whole story turned into such a fuck up! I really had a positive feeling from the beginning because cob seemed to be a real entrepreneur with a good vision, now I feel like an idiot who followed blindly.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: bitacer on February 01, 2016, 05:07:30 pm
Metaexchange ran out of Muses ?
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 01, 2016, 05:09:37 pm
No money, CEOs,  PR companies ..  :-\

Before drawing any final conclusions, I'd recommend waiting until Cob answers the questions presented by the community.   The questions presented weren't softballs, it's addressing all the concerns that have been presented in the recent threads. 

I don't know what Cob is about to write, I'm just asking to save final judgement until we get those answers.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: xeroc on February 01, 2016, 05:14:40 pm
Metaexchange ran out of Muses ?
They did not ..
[member=487]Riverhead[/member] told me he moved some funds out of meta exchange to pay back the borrowed funds to friends who helped with liquidity. Now that mexaexchange is running nicely, he doesn't need them any longer and gave them back recently. I wondered the same
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: bitacer on February 01, 2016, 05:18:15 pm
So I cant buy more at Metaexchange? :(
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: cob on February 01, 2016, 05:26:00 pm
Who is still on the Team?
The original members of the team are still part of the project, nothing has changed. There are only four stock holders in PeerTracks at this time.

Is Eddie still around?

Yes, Eddie is CEO of PeerTracks. Naturally he is still there.

When will you provide a working website for Troopeers, PeerTracks and MUSE?
Leaving Troopeers out of this for now as this will have an update of its own.
If you are referring to landing pages, the one for PeerTracks will stay as is for the time being.
In regards to the MUSE information page, Cass showed me a page he had designed for it. It’s based off of the read M logo he and Pendragon3 did. Real slick. I’d like to get him to do the changes to both the red logo and that MUSE page.

If you are talking about the web app, the PeerTracks platform is complete, as it stands today, it only needs to be integrated with MUSE.

As far as the MUSE client goes. That’s not getting revamped. It was just updated to where BitShares is today. The interface for MUSE is going to be PeerTracks anyway… at least for 99% of the users.


Can you publish a document of how you have spent the crowdfund money?

We can give you a very general recap of where the fund went and continue to go.
The biggest expense was the development of the PeerTracks web app. This includes all standard features like streaming, playlist creation, downloading/purchasing of song files, following artists, liking songs, channel creation. It also included project specific features like buying of UIAs, and the front end of a basic wallet to see your tokens. Added to that is the GUI for the automatic royalty payment splitter and song metadata. I can dig out a video of that, which might bore the non-music crowd but should excite the musicians on the forums! Finally there is the advertiser portal that was created to allow brands to partner with Artists. That’s it for web app dev.
Then there’s the blockchain development cost. Keep in mind funds went into helping fund codebase production that was required for both MUSE and BitShares. On top of that was MUSE specific work.
Legal fees.
Lawyers aren’t the cheapest chaps in the land! This project requires different specialists: Corporate attorneys, Trademarks specialists, Crypto-currency lawyers, SEC specialists and Entertainment industry attorney.
Moving on to the more business side of things. Such as attending key events to make our presence known, network and build up extremely valuable contacts… not to mention learn learn learn. This includes travel related expenses for the NYC, Las Vegas and Texas bitcoin Conferences, but most importantly the music specific events like the Entertainment Law Initiative, The Grammys, MIDEM, The Future of Music Policy Summit and Berklee’s Fair Music Open Forum event.
Finally there are marketing expenses in this I include a couple sponsorships, which turned out to be a great move. (Eddie really educated me on the value those can have!)
Keep in mind we have only covered expenses, we haven’t paid ourselves. I personally have been on this full time for about two years with no salary coming in. I just want to put that out there to put it into perspective.
I did a small raise of capital for stock in the PeerTracks company here in Canada because I had friends and family wanting to invest into PeerTracks itself. At the moment all expenses of the project are funded by the CEO.
We are now prepping for a spring or summer raise, which aims to be the biggest yet.
Everything we have done to this point was to set the stage and ensure both PeerTracks and MUSE have a foundation and can now rise in value. If anyone in the community is interested in PeerTracks, contact us. Many opportunities are available.

Will you be releasing a working product before you being your next round of financing?
Yes.

Has BitSapphire succeeded or failed to deliver a working product? Do you still have a relationship with them?

BitSapphire has completed their task and relationship with PeerTracks. We are now moving to a more internal approach. The hiring process has begun. They did much of the heavy lifting as far as development, fundraising and early day consulting goes. We are still on good terms and will most likely work with them again in the near future.

What technical obstacles must be overcome before launch?

As far as we can see, it looks like smooth sailing ahead. Unless we find a fundamental flaw in the Graphene codebase while integrating PeerTracks to MUSE, everything should be fine.
Once the basic functions are there, we will insert the automatic payment splitter in MUSE and start a muse_USD market to allow us to Launch PeerTracks with all its features.

Are you willing to commit to publishing updates at regular intervals?

Yes we can. However the product is going to launch soon, at that point, most of you will probably all be using it either as testers or regular users. Also our NYC-based PR firm will be releasing general write-ups for us on the mainstream media. Those should contain good nuggets of info as well.

Will you be releasing a project plan?

No.

Have you secured a way for artists to create Tokens and users to get money into the system through Credit Card?

Yes. Users will be able to purchase Tokens with credit card directly. As far as funding their account with muse_USD, this requires a gateway like CCEDK – which can be seamlessly tied into the site like ebay is to paypal.

With your current funding level, will you still have enough to release the initial product?
Yes. More funding would merely speed up the process since we could hire more full time devs.
We are always looking for more funding and would entertain any accredited investor wanting to explore coming into PeerTracks as a stockholder.

What are your plans for SXSW?

We will attend and have a street team interfacing with the crowd/public walking the streets passing out cards and banners. SXSW is such a crowded space/event you can get lost in the shuffle. The days of launching your new app at SXSW are pretty much gone. You get drowned out in the noise. It was recommended we attend SXSW as a place to set up important meetings and make valuable connections. This is what we intend to do.

Has PeerTracks already paid the marketing firms upfront for work or is that another upcoming expense?
PeerTracks has an internal team inclusive of Eddie’s marketing and promotional experience as well as a PR team based in New York, which is paid on an ongoing monthly basis.

Why wasn't there more transparency over the last few months when PeerTracks was running into difficulty?
Eddie’s father passing away took out our CEO and I had to step in double time during that period as work stacked up. This all happened during the Washington event at the same date MUSE was launched. Still Eddie made it to NYC a week later for the important meetings we had lined up. Those were difficult times, great things came out of it and all is good now but at that time, I was under water with many shoes to fill.
Eddie always states in interviews that his dad is the reason he is in the music business so you can imagine the emotional strain. I can say that he is back and louder than ever.
Also, It made no sense to update people about internal difficulties with our partners (which cost us time and money) until we had resolved the issue. An update during those weeks would have caused 1000x more speculation and rumours than we see today. And as stated above, as of today, everything has been resolved and we are moving forward again. We are moving faster, have more traction and we are finally starting to see the light at the end of the two-year long tunnel.







Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Riverhead on February 01, 2016, 05:27:10 pm
So I cant buy more at Metaexchange? :(

Metaexchange MUSE/BTC is alive and well. I have been noticing sometimes it says 0.0000000 available and I've reached out to their developer Monsterer about it. Seems to be an intermittent display issue.

Never the less the large movement of funds from liquid-muse to the staging account was indeed paying back loans I had used to get instant liquidity on the pair. Over the last while I have been investing a lot of my own money in Muse and therefore have the depth to fund the pair independently.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on February 01, 2016, 06:28:18 pm
- what about the exchanges?
- poloniex, chinese exchanges?

- if you are raising new funds what relevance will our muse investment have then? I mean not a single word about muse and liquidity

Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: bitacer on February 01, 2016, 06:36:13 pm
So I cant buy more at Metaexchange? :(

Metaexchange MUSE/BTC is alive and well. I have been noticing sometimes it says 0.0000000 available and I've reached out to their developer Monsterer about it. Seems to be an intermittent display issue.

Never the less the large movement of funds from liquid-muse to the staging account was indeed paying back loans I had used to get instant liquidity on the pair. Over the last while I have been investing a lot of my own money in Muse and therefore have the depth to fund the pair independently.

It shows 0.0000 for me all the time . Would like to get some more after this update.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 01, 2016, 06:53:09 pm
- what about the exchanges?
- poloniex, chinese exchanges?

- if you are raising new funds what relevance will our muse investment have then? I mean not a single word about muse and liquidity

There's been a few of us already in contact with the exchanges (ClayOp, Xeroc and myself come to mind). I know Xeroc was following up with Poloniex, I will follow-up with Bill from Bittrex tonight. Not much luck on the Chinese exchanges so far from my end. 

I will do some inquiries tonight and update the community by Wednesday.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on February 01, 2016, 06:56:07 pm
- what about the exchanges?
- poloniex, chinese exchanges?

- if you are raising new funds what relevance will our muse investment have then? I mean not a single word about muse and liquidity

There's been a few of us already in contact with the exchanges (ClayOp, Xeroc and myself come to mind). I know Xeroc was following up with Poloniex, I will follow-up with Bill from Bittrex tonight. Not much luck on the Chinese exchanges so far from my end.

so why are exchanges not interested?

I was pushing Muse in the poloniex trollbox and someone said "No reason for adding muse, because it will be dead soon anyway"

No i might understand why poloniex is not adding...

What will happen? People will dump to sub 100sat? The liquidity is key right now. Some weeks ago MUSE had over 30k of volume, what was this?

btw: thats the link to the article from Germany:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/digital/lieder-kaufen-im-internet-nach-bitcoin-blockchain-soll-musikindustrie-auf-den-kopf-stellen-1.2751548
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: bitacer on February 01, 2016, 06:59:11 pm
What does it say ?
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on February 01, 2016, 07:06:04 pm
What does it say ?

most of the media focus is on Ujo, because peertracks lacks some basic explanations in their business model.

Ujo seems to address major artists while peertracks is out to for small talents.

Maybe someone could translate that article it is a real "in depth" text so i was REALLY surprised that someone from sueddeutsche.de really had the time to elaborate this topic.

Sueddeutsche.de is more or less comparable to NY Times in Germany.


Während Barrys Arbeit mit der Band Radiohead, die bekannt dafür ist, mit neuen Wegen des Musikvertriebs zu experimentieren, stieß er auf die Blockchain.

Alle Transaktionen von Ujo sollen über die quelloffene Blockchain von Ethereum abgewickelt werden. Anders als Peertracks ist Ujo nicht als Ladenzeile für einfache Nutzer geplant. "Niemand kann erwarten, dass Musikfans etwas machen, was komplizierter als das ist, was sie bisher kennen", sagt Barry. Ujo soll im Hintergrund funktionieren. Als Datenkatalog für Musikrechte könnte es Andockstation für etablierte Player wie iTunes oder Spotify werden.


- While Barry was working with the band Radiohead which is known for being open for new ways of music distribution, he encountered the blockchain.

- All transactions in Ujo will be managed by the ethereum blockchain. In contrast to peertracks Ujo wont be this kind of "record shop" for average users. "You cannot expect the users to adapt to more complicated stuff than they are already used to", says Barry.

- Ujo will run in the background. A form of database for music rights which can be used as interface for players like iTunes and Spotify.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Riverhead on February 01, 2016, 08:13:23 pm
So I cant buy more at Metaexchange? :(

Metaexchange MUSE/BTC is alive and well. I have been noticing sometimes it says 0.0000000 available and I've reached out to their developer Monsterer about it. Seems to be an intermittent display issue.

Never the less the large movement of funds from liquid-muse to the staging account was indeed paying back loans I had used to get instant liquidity on the pair. Over the last while I have been investing a lot of my own money in Muse and therefore have the depth to fund the pair independently.

It shows 0.0000 for me all the time . Would like to get some more after this update.

So the issue was someone sold the pair a few million MUSE which put a strain on the BTC pool. This meant the market maker couldn't function because the imbalance is too great. I've removed a large chunk of MUSE to restore the balance. While the pair provides liquidity there are also arbitrage plays to be made against other exchanges and this causes pairs to get out of balance and lose money. I am happy to break even to providing liquidity but there's only so much bleeding I'm willing to do servicing the arbitrage of markets :) .
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 01, 2016, 08:31:06 pm
- what about the exchanges?
- poloniex, chinese exchanges?

- if you are raising new funds what relevance will our muse investment have then? I mean not a single word about muse and liquidity

There's been a few of us already in contact with the exchanges (ClayOp, Xeroc and myself come to mind). I know Xeroc was following up with Poloniex, I will follow-up with Bill from Bittrex tonight. Not much luck on the Chinese exchanges so far from my end.

so why are exchanges not interested?

I was pushing Muse in the poloniex trollbox and someone said "No reason for adding muse, because it will be dead soon anyway"

No i might understand why poloniex is not adding...

What will happen? People will dump to sub 100sat? The liquidity is key right now. Some weeks ago MUSE had over 30k of volume, what was this?

btw: thats the link to the article from Germany:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/digital/lieder-kaufen-im-internet-nach-bitcoin-blockchain-soll-musikindustrie-auf-den-kopf-stellen-1.2751548

I wouldn't take anything said in Trollbox seriously. It's like sitting down at the cool table of some US high school lunch room.  From my understanding, before the newest client upgrades, there were challenges with Poloniex importing their MUSE. Xeroc helped get that resolved. I would expect to see it on there sometime soon.  If we don't hear any movement this week, I will follow-up.  BItcoin crapcoins can be added without much thought, BitShares products are a different beast. We saw evidence of this from BTER where they didn't upgrade to 2.0 for the longest time (not sure if they finally handled it).

This isn't a Cob issue at all.  It's just time until we're added, there's people as I mentioned in the previous post donating time to help convince exchanges to add it.   As for Chinese exchanges, I believe we'll have some challenges with BitShares history of dillusion. That's just my opinion, we'll keep plugging away at it.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: cob on February 01, 2016, 09:06:36 pm
- what about the exchanges?
- poloniex, chinese exchanges?

- if you are raising new funds what relevance will our muse investment have then? I mean not a single word about muse and liquidity

I think exchanges will integrate it once we show MUSE has a use other than a mere speculative altcoin.

A fundraise will no dilute MUSE. We would simply be raising funds as the peertracks corporation in order to get more devs on board and really bring use cases to MUSE.
Think of it like coinbase raising money to make a better Bitcoin ecosystem, bringing in new users and use cases, etc.

Regarding that german article. I'm happy the industry is really diving into the subject of blockchains + music. UJO has a product out. And as Phil Barry says, they are more of a backend, B2B type of service.
We are different in that way. You will see much more hype from the general public once we begin showing off the basic platform. UJO is really interesting for the musician. PeerTracks & co will be interesting for the musicians, the fans and the labels... and the non-music crowd which I'll go into further detail at a later date.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on February 01, 2016, 09:26:30 pm
Is it realistic to switch to ethereum at any point in the future?

It looks like ethereum is a real deal breaker here....
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Riverhead on February 01, 2016, 09:31:56 pm
Is it realistic to switch to ethereum at any point in the future?

It looks like ethereum is a real deal breaker here....
Deal breaker in what sense?
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on February 01, 2016, 09:49:15 pm
Is it realistic to switch to ethereum at any point in the future?

It looks like ethereum is a real deal breaker here....
Deal breaker in what sense?

Ethereum is like google in terms of blockchain businesses and bitshares... Well... is just a small note one a big piece of paper..

If Muse was related to ethereum it might have better chances of being talked about.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Endless on February 01, 2016, 10:04:36 pm
I looked at the ethereum website, https://www.ethereum.org/ you mean this site? I don't understand what it would do? Would it replace MUSE or just help someone work with it?
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Endless on February 01, 2016, 10:37:53 pm
I looked at the ethereum website, https://www.ethereum.org/ (https://www.ethereum.org/) you mean this site? I don't understand what it would do? Would it replace MUSE or just help someone work with it?


The allure I believe @Marky001 is referring to is the positive and verbose press Ethereum has garnered along with a developer-friendly sandbox type atmosphere around Ethereum and Javascript.
However that said although Ethereum is very popular in the Crypto community it doesn't really resonate with the target audience of Peertracks who by and large don't know or care about either project.
What Graphene provides intrinsically in terms of UIA control and network speed is a long way off in Ethereum and would need to be developed independently on top of all the other development work required by Peertracks.

Thanks for the detailed response, I was confused about the difference in features but that explained it well, so Ethereum is really customized for something else not really muse related. So I guess I have the same question already posted earlier, what is in ethereum that is so important tech wise that makes it a deal breaker if not used? Is there some details about some issues in muse that was posted here that I missed? I have been lurking here for a while, but finally got brave enough to dive into this discussion.  :D
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Riverhead on February 01, 2016, 10:44:47 pm
I looked at the ethereum website, https://www.ethereum.org/ (https://www.ethereum.org/) you mean this site? I don't understand what it would do? Would it replace MUSE or just help someone work with it?


The allure I believe @Marky001 is referring to is the positive and verbose press Ethereum has garnered along with a developer-friendly sandbox type atmosphere around Ethereum and Javascript.
However that said although Ethereum is very popular in the Crypto community it doesn't really resonate with the target audience of Peertracks who by and large don't know or care about either project.
What Graphene provides intrinsically in terms of UIA control and network speed is a long way off in Ethereum and would need to be developed independently on top of all the other development work required by Peertracks.

Thanks for the detailed response, I was confused about the difference in features but that explained it well, so Ethereum is really customized for something else not really muse related. So I guess I have the same question already posted earlier, what is in ethereum that is so important tech wise that makes it a deal breaker if not used? Is there some details about some issues in muse that was posted here that I missed? I have been lurking here for a while, but finally got brave enough to dive into this discussion.  :D


Welcome to the discussion! A better way to think about Ethereum is not so much a product but a distributed smart contract development platform. Developers can write pretty much anything they want and have it execute on the blockchain as a smart contract. Ethereum could handle MUSE but there would be a lot of reinventing the wheel. Also what may have influenced the decision is that Ethereum wasn't released when MUSE/Peertracks started.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 01, 2016, 11:58:53 pm
[member=2216]cob[/member]

Thank you for addressing investors questions. Although we have some major disagreements on some of the things you said about communicating the issues, I'm satisfied with the direction and look forward to seeing something to test down the road.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: clayop on February 02, 2016, 12:44:31 am
- what about the exchanges?
- poloniex, chinese exchanges?

- if you are raising new funds what relevance will our muse investment have then? I mean not a single word about muse and liquidity

There's been a few of us already in contact with the exchanges (ClayOp, Xeroc and myself come to mind). I know Xeroc was following up with Poloniex, I will follow-up with Bill from Bittrex tonight. Not much luck on the Chinese exchanges so far from my end.

so why are exchanges not interested?

I was pushing Muse in the poloniex trollbox and someone said "No reason for adding muse, because it will be dead soon anyway"

No i might understand why poloniex is not adding...

What will happen? People will dump to sub 100sat? The liquidity is key right now. Some weeks ago MUSE had over 30k of volume, what was this?

btw: thats the link to the article from Germany:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/digital/lieder-kaufen-im-internet-nach-bitcoin-blockchain-soll-musikindustrie-auf-den-kopf-stellen-1.2751548
They should. Because they still have customers MUSE for pts.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Ben Mason on February 02, 2016, 11:27:45 am
[member=2216]cob[/member]

Thank you for addressing investors questions. Although we have some major disagreements on some of the things you said about communicating the issues, I'm satisfied with the direction and look forward to seeing something to test down the road.
Yes thank you for the update Cob.  You deserve a great deal of credit for your hard work and passion for this project.....you've clearly given plenty of yourself to it.  I am excited that so much has been accomplished but I would like to list some key points for the next stage;

Please increase community involvement greatly in the lead up to launch.  I mean regular concise updates and wherever possible, ask for help....we need to build momentum and buzz.
Make sure that when the product is launched, it is a significant step forward and really worthy of the incredible vision for the project.
Try to demonstrate lessons learned about our approach to marketing, PR and engagement within and outside the existing community.
Remember ease of use is key with all the new ideas and functionality that will be available to music fans.

Good luck with the next stage.  I really think this project retains it's massive potential and believe the rewards for your hard work, everyone's hard work are around the corner.
 

Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: cob on February 02, 2016, 03:27:37 pm
Yes I'll definitely post here more often. Not necessarily to make official updates. But just to have a presence.

And yes! Help is always appreciated. A couple of forumers have added me on skype, PMed me and even emailed me for all sorts of reasons, I think those are the same people that feel more confident about the project and less "ah shit this is a scam isn't it?"

So for that reason I'll try to have a better presence here and once again, when you feel like helping out, reach out to me and let me know where you think you can help.

Right now, our main focus is development and MUSE integration FYI.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on February 02, 2016, 05:41:44 pm
[member=2216]cob[/member]: if you want us to help and promote the project then hurry to get the webpage running!

As I mentioned already, people think it is a joke!

And what about the alpha tests you mentioned months ago?

Why didn't you reply to those questions? These are substantial topics!
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 02, 2016, 09:52:18 pm
[member=2216]cob[/member]: if you want us to help and promote the project then hurry to get the webpage running!


I agree with you there. The webpage is a major turn-off.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Riverhead on February 02, 2016, 10:27:22 pm
[member=2216]cob[/member]: if you want us to help and promote the project then hurry to get the webpage running!


I agree with you there. The webpage is a major turn-off.
Which site? Peertracks?
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 03, 2016, 01:23:55 am
[member=2216]cob[/member]: if you want us to help and promote the project then hurry to get the webpage running!


I agree with you there. The webpage is a major turn-off.
Which site? Peertracks?

Yes
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Endless on February 03, 2016, 04:21:23 pm
Which site? Peertracks?

Yes
I read this a lot but never a reason why. Site doesn't work? Site is ugly? What about the site turns you off to it?
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: bitacer on February 03, 2016, 05:02:19 pm
Static
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: betax on February 03, 2016, 05:02:46 pm
The peertracks website is fine, it is the muse one that needs to change. I bet [member=224]cass[/member] version is a million times better.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 03, 2016, 07:11:29 pm
The peertracks website is fine, it is the muse one that needs to change. I bet [member=224]cass[/member] version is a million times better.

I don't want to insult anyone that created the page, but it feels cheap to me.  It reminds of my dislike for the Bitshares page that was rolled out by Brian Page.  If I came across the Peertracks page without prompting, I wouldn't feel confident in investing.  When I get some time later today, I'll post some links on pages that I believe instill confidence. It's a personal feeling but one that echoed by the guys that I've recently convince to buy another 10 BTC worth. I feel like the page didn't do enough to convince him it was a legit project.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on February 03, 2016, 07:26:42 pm
You bought 10btc worth of muse?
Lol, where? Is there a liquid market to make those moves?
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: particlewave on February 03, 2016, 08:37:40 pm
I was musing.
What is the demographics for the artists most likely to sign on to Peertracks?
Does that demographic translate into substantial record sales and fan base size?
Does the imagery on Peertracks.com take these factors into consideration?
What is the core psyche of the artists Peertracks is mainly targeting, if any?
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 03, 2016, 09:26:28 pm
You bought 10btc worth of muse?
Lol, where? Is there a liquid market to make those moves?

Peer to peer trades.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: betax on February 04, 2016, 04:41:03 am
The peertracks website is fine, it is the muse one that needs to change. I bet [member=224]cass[/member] version is a million times better.

I don't want to insult anyone that created the page, but it feels cheap to me.  It reminds of my dislike for the Bitshares page that was rolled out by Brian Page.  If I came across the Peertracks page without prompting, I wouldn't feel confident in investing.  When I get some time later today, I'll post some links on pages that I believe instill confidence. It's a personal feeling but one that echoed by the guys that I've recently convince to buy another 10 BTC worth. I feel like the page didn't do enough to convince him it was a legit project.

I see your point, and I felt the same, but he Muse one is the killer ;). I guess a simpler page with "demo" shots of the video provided would be better, explaining both functionality and blockchain integration. I think there is not required the surprise factor anymore, or maybe wait until the demo is ready.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: cob on February 04, 2016, 06:43:28 pm
I'm 100% fine with changing the MUSE site ASAP to the one CASS designed right away.

Any objections? [member=224]cass[/member] care to show everyone what you did?
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on February 04, 2016, 06:51:21 pm
Once again cob, what about the alpha tests ??
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 04, 2016, 11:37:33 pm
I'm 100% fine with changing the MUSE site ASAP to the one CASS designed right away.

Any objections? [member=224]cass[/member] care to show everyone what you did?

Would love to see what Cass came up with!
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: cass on February 05, 2016, 09:30:54 am
http://cassyo.cc/labs/muse/

(not ready yet - i  was playing with this design direct after the MUSE launch)
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: MrJeans on February 05, 2016, 10:54:44 am
I did a small raise of capital for stock in the PeerTracks company here in Canada because I had friends and family wanting to invest into PeerTracks itself.
Wouldnt you recommend they buy NOTES? Why would you prefer they direct their capital toward peer tracks instead of notes (aside from raising funds).
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: betax on February 05, 2016, 12:15:21 pm
http://cassyo.cc/labs/muse/

(not ready yet - i  was playing with this design direct after the MUSE launch)

[member=224]cass[/member] [member=2216]cob[/member] just do it, 1 million times better.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: xeroc on February 05, 2016, 12:17:22 pm
http://cassyo.cc/labs/muse/

(not ready yet - i  was playing with this design direct after the MUSE launch)
This thing looks soooo much better!
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Ben Mason on February 05, 2016, 01:59:45 pm
http://cassyo.cc/labs/muse/

(not ready yet - i  was playing with this design direct after the MUSE launch)
This thing looks soooo much better!
Yes yes yes.....nice work cass!
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Riverhead on February 05, 2016, 02:04:12 pm
http://cassyo.cc/labs/muse/ (http://cassyo.cc/labs/muse/)

(not ready yet - i  was playing with this design direct after the MUSE launch)
This thing looks soooo much better!
Yes yes yes.....nice work cass!


Cassified!
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Ben Mason on February 05, 2016, 02:24:15 pm
http://cassyo.cc/labs/muse/ (http://cassyo.cc/labs/muse/)

(not ready yet - i  was playing with this design direct after the MUSE launch)
This thing looks soooo much better!
Yes yes yes.....nice work cass!
Cassified!
Indeed.... Cassic!
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 05, 2016, 03:19:33 pm
http://cassyo.cc/labs/muse/

(not ready yet - i  was playing with this design direct after the MUSE launch)

[member=2216]cob[/member]

Yes!! 

[member=224]cass[/member]

Do you have anything like this for the main Peertracks site too?
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Marky0001 on February 05, 2016, 05:05:06 pm
Thanks cass! Give us your muse address so we can tip you :)

But: Did you use a similar color scheme on purpose?

http://ujomusic.com

I wouldn't try to imitate their page just to avoid copycat accusations
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: cob on February 05, 2016, 05:36:50 pm
cassified and cassic haha! Brilliant (:

Oh and yes mark. We did testing of PeerTracks and all it's features, playlist creation, song download, following artists, liking, searching, buying tokens, etc. All awesome and smooth! Just a few alignment bugs in the UI. Nothing major.
Now that we are integrating with MUSE, that testing will be coming up next.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: woolcii on February 05, 2016, 06:05:38 pm

cassified and cassic haha! Brilliant (:

Oh and yes mark. We did testing of PeerTracks and all it's features, playlist creation, song download, following artists, liking, searching, buying tokens, etc. All awesome and smooth! Just a few alignment bugs in the UI. Nothing major.
Now that we are integrating with MUSE, that testing will be coming up next.



cool
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: Riverhead on February 05, 2016, 06:17:13 pm
Thanks cass! Give us your muse address so we can tip you :)

But: Did you use a similar color scheme on purpose?

http://ujomusic.com (http://ujomusic.com)

I wouldn't try to imitate their page just to avoid copycat accusations


Hmm. Good observation. I think the Cass page was done before anyone had ever heard of ujomusic but they did get it out there first.

Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: particlewave on February 05, 2016, 08:58:28 pm
http://cassyo.cc/labs/muse/

(not ready yet - i  was playing with this design direct after the MUSE launch)

Unlike other attempts to create a database...

Also you may consider making each frequently asked question expand and collapse.

KUTGW.
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: TravelsAsia on February 05, 2016, 11:24:15 pm
One of the biggest game changers I noticed from Cob's answers was accepting credit card payments. If people are able to use any Visa/MC for purchases, that opens us up to such a wider market. Artistcoins are like digital baseball cards, it's a good argument that allows multiple mainstream processors.

The challenge with small businesses in the past for purchasing Bitcoin was fraud and chareback. I'm wondering how Peertracks plans to address it.

Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: pendragon3 on February 06, 2016, 03:58:31 am
Allowing users to get tokens via credit card is a sweet thing. Now the question is, will PeerTracks also give users maximum liquidity with off ramps for withdraw of USD to debit card or checking acct? Let's hope so; that would likely be a huge game-changer...
Title: Re: Unanswered question thread
Post by: MrJeans on February 06, 2016, 09:01:35 am

cassified and cassic haha! Brilliant (:

Oh and yes mark. We did testing of PeerTracks and all it's features, playlist creation, song download, following artists, liking, searching, buying tokens, etc. All awesome and smooth! Just a few alignment bugs in the UI. Nothing major.
Now that we are integrating with MUSE, that testing will be coming up next.

cool
Very cool. Just make sure you dont have to pay Zukerberg anything for having a like button