BitShares Forum
Main => Stakeholder Proposals => Topic started by: alt on February 04, 2016, 01:16:10 am
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setup proxy to baozi if you are anti-dilution
this account will against all dilution workers without reason,
so please remove this proxy if you feel it's time to dilution to support those workers.
and don't try to persuade this account change the votes,
you should persuade those persons who set this account as proxy.
如果你反对增发稀释，请把 baozi 设置为投票代理
这个帐号会无条件反对所有稀释的 worker
如果你觉得是合适的时候使用增发支持 worker了，请停用这个代理
另外请不要试图说服这个帐号改变投票，试着去说服那些把这个帐号设为代理的人。
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I highly recommend that people who are voting for this proxy should think again what they are doing.
Bitshares isn't just another pump'n'dump currency but a DAC. This means we are a company that is creating services and products for paying customers.
Currently baozi is voting against every worker proposal except refund and burn workers. This is basically same thing as voting for destruction of Bitshares. Without any development we are pretty much unable to serve our customers. Without customers we can't be a succesful company and make money.
For example xeroc's worker proposals (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21414) are highly valuable for DAC because they enable other businesses to build on Bitshares blockchain. By voting against these proposals, you are voting for restraining other businesses and developers using Bitshares. Is that really what you want?
Also the whole antidilution talk is misleading. There is no dilution anymore in Bitshares. The quantity of BTS is hardcapped to 3.7 billion. If you want to grow the portion of BTS that is in the reserve pool, it is much better choice to try to get more paying customers rather than deny a salary for a worker. It is true that not paying a salary for a employee is a way to save money for a company, but it is also highly risky way of action because it is very hard for a company to become succesful and make lots of money without any employees.
So I think you have misunderstood the concept of DAC. If you don't like the current model that we have now (no dilution, reserve pool) you should suggest a better model rather than bluntly hamper the development of Bitshares. Voting for baozi is not helping anybody, on the contrary it is a way to decrease the value of BTS which will harm all of us.
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@Samupaha
Currently baozi is voting against every worker proposal except refund and burn workers. This is basically same thing as voting for destruction of Bitshares.
This is not against all proposals, but to raise the threshold for the budget.
As there is still some high ticket through the proposal (#1 and #2 below), which is a way to filter highly valuable worker proposal.
(http://i1.piimg.com/500543/a466cfd96b8af1df.jpg)
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So you would rather have barely any development on the official, and other frontends, as well as stop some RPCs and nodes. Do you not think bitshares-org, bitshares-ui, spokesperson, rossul-ui, hackthedex, infrastructure are important? To those who proxy to baozi please think about these workers.
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I highly recommend that people who are voting for this proxy should think again what they are doing.
Bitshares isn't just another pump'n'dump currency but a DAC. This means we are a company that is creating services and products for paying customers.
Currently baozi is voting against every worker proposal except refund and burn workers. This is basically same thing as voting for destruction of Bitshares. Without any development we are pretty much unable to serve our customers. Without customers we can't be a succesful company and make money.
For example xeroc's worker proposals (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21414) are highly valuable for DAC because they enable other businesses to build on Bitshares blockchain. By voting against these proposals, you are voting for restraining other businesses and developers using Bitshares. Is that really what you want?
Also the whole antidilution talk is misleading. There is no dilution anymore in Bitshares. The quantity of BTS is hardcapped to 3.7 billion. If you want to grow the portion of BTS that is in the reserve pool, it is much better choice to try to get more paying customers rather than deny a salary for a worker. It is true that not paying a salary for a employee is a way to save money for a company, but it is also highly risky way of action because it is very hard for a company to become succesful and make lots of money without any employees.
So I think you have misunderstood the concept of DAC. If you don't like the current model that we have now (no dilution, reserve pool) you should suggest a better model rather than bluntly hamper the development of Bitshares. Voting for baozi is not helping anybody, on the contrary it is a way to decrease the value of BTS which will harm all of us.
I totally agree with you. This seems to be the same sentiment returning as we saw in the last bear market of 2015 and 2016. It severely hurt our progress. Now that we have solid dev teams for core and UI here comes alt and boazi to HALT ALL workers under the guise of "anti-dilution".
There is no dilution going on here. The amount of BTS is fixed, set in stone.
It is crazy to push for this and I sincerely hope proxies join together to defeat this wave of ANTI-PROGRESS.
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don't worry, I have supported some workers
but I will not support too many workers or witness because most of them are still very unresponsible.
most of them got support only because that they have good friendship with some proxy.
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don't worry, I have supported some workers
but I will not support too many workers or witness because most of them are still very unresponsible.
How are workers unresponsible when you can ping them on Telegram, you get answers
here in the forums, on github and elsewhere?
most of them got support only because that they have good friendship with some proxy.
So you are saying because I do my background research and get to know the people I vote (and vouch) for,
They don't get your votes despite them delivering on *their* promises?
Not sure about everyone else, but that doesn't sound about right to me.
How about we set up a workers group (mailing list, telegram, whatever) so you get to know those workers
better and can judge on *their performance* instead of their connection to me?
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don't worry, I have supported some workers
but I will not support too many workers or witness because most of them are still very unresponsible.
How are workers unresponsible when you can ping them on Telegram, you get answers
here in the forums, on github and elsewhere?
most of them got support only because that they have good friendship with some proxy.
So you are saying because I do my background research and get to know the people I vote (and vouch) for,
They don't get your votes despite them delivering on *their* promises?
Not sure about everyone else, but that doesn't sound about right to me.
How about we set up a workers group (mailing list, telegram, whatever) so you get to know those workers
better and can judge on *their performance* instead of their connection to me?
Connected with you @xeroc or not connected (completely unreasonable being disconnected from someone of that knowledge on BitShares in technical sense), I've pissed blood and shit babies to get workers that I'm managing now, even for over 8 months - FREE before I actually got a worker!
- Infrastructure worker is 0 management fee. There is over 90% average uptime on all nodes and reduced costs from 3500 USD to ~1600 USD.
- Trusty worker - fuck all, I logged maybe in total 2000 USD for managing entire new DEX - NOW thanks to you Alt/Baozi it's voted out. 7 hard working people are out of income, only one they have and they don't deserve to lose it.
- Bitshares.org worker - pffff don't wanna go there. Off for nearly 10 days thanks to your first refund400k.
Luckily BBF is really good acting as escrow, so all of my workers, and most of other workers can still have enough funds to claim this last month of a year.
What are you trying to prove here ? That you can molest good people because you have cash ? WOW! And I thought we should represent as ecosystem on dpos blockchain EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.
Chee®s, enjoy fun while it lasts, we will wait no worries.
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Don't vote against worker proposals blindly, spending on WPs during downtrends ensures we're productive whilst others are stagnant, by cutting off worker proposals you intentionally stagnate Bitshares.
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Anti-dilution will help increase BTS price, support! It's good for all of you who are holding BTS, I don't understand why you are against alt
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DO NOT vote for this proxy. He is waging war because he is bored and has the funds to do so.
All of this propaganda sounds exactly like Trump in the US right now. Throwing out inaccurate statements and “facts” acting like people don’t do research themselves.
Anyone voting for this crybaby does not do their own research.
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Anti-dilution will help increase BTS price, support! It's good for all of you who are holding BTS, I don't understand why you are against alt
The reason some say not to vote for this proxy is because that it has today 139,535,652 proxied votes (http://open-explorer.io/#/accounts/baozi), which makes this the most powerful proxy of the community. It votes for both refund400k and refund100k making a lot of projects not getting funded, some that has greatly helped to advance the community during the past year. This does nothing good for the community. If any time is important to spend and support development it's during down trends, when the support may otherwise be lost and users go elsewhere.
Just like Customminer writes....
Don't vote against worker proposals blindly, spending on WPs during downtrends ensures we're productive whilst others are stagnant, by cutting off worker proposals you intentionally stagnate Bitshares.
Anyone is free to vote for whatever reason they may have, I'm not against that. But delegating votes blindly to proxies is foolish. Those that support this proxy doesn't undertand how it hurts the development and progress of the community.
Of course, development is always happening, even if the community doesn't spend money or support them, but progress like this is usually neither fast nor coherent. Supporting developers is one good way to ensure quicker and coherent progress.
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Anti-dilution will help increase BTS price, support! It's good for all of you who are holding BTS, I don't understand why you are against alt
Dont be so naive. "Anti-dilution" might make sense if development didnt come to a stop and public nodes werent shut down but it will and they will be.
If this proxy really cared about BTS price then tell me... What is it doing to support price? Why are there no bids to revive bitUSD? One of BitShares prized assets. Surely the revival of this asset and re enabling of the borrowing function would have a positive impact on price?
If price of BTS is the issue here, which it must be, then why are we not talking of ways to add value to BitShares. Instead this proxy aims to cut off BitShares arms and legs.
This is sabotage and nothing more, they are not interested in doing anything good
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thread is older than the internet, why did you guys revive it anyways?
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The reason some say not to vote for this proxy is because that it has today 139,535,652 proxied votes, which makes this the most powerful proxy of the community. It votes for both refund400k and refund100k making a lot of projects not getting funded
Not only alt is voting for refund 400k but many other major proxies like
openledger
blckchnd
fav
wzm1
abit
mr-wang
dahu
still
xeldal
bunkerchair
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This thread is quite old.
Alt has updated his reasoning about not voting (worker performance and transparency) and although I don't necessarily agree with him, dilution was no longer one of his reasons.
At the end of the day, dilution is minimal/non existant at this point. Even if all daily budget was spent on workers for a whole year(which it never was) , it's still only 4% added to the circulating supply. And not only was only about half of that actually spent even with most workers voted in, but 90% of that bts was used to buy bitassets so created demand that caused an equivalent amount*1.75 of bts to be locked up as collateral.
So the dilution argument is no longer alt's reason imho
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Hello baozi,
I would like to ask of your opinion on workers:
- https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2019-02-reference-faucet (https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2019-02-reference-faucet): The reference faucet (onboarding on wallet.bitshares.org and many other services) is seeking funding to operate for the community. Dare I say it is the sole worker that is profitable through referral rewards that are being burnt (and it will only get more the longer it runs). Last half year 100k BTS were generated through referals and returned. In that sense this worker is anti-dillution.
- https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2019-02-infrastructure (https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2019-02-infrastructure): We (Blockchain Projects BV) seek to maintain the bitshares.ws infrastructure (endpoints worldwide, elastic search database, docker containers, statistics and more)
I would be very interested in your feedback. Always looking to improve and refine to match the needs of the community.
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Also worth noting: The committee has created 6 REFUND workers that enable more granular spending of funds:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27729.0
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proxy baozi voted this worker:
1.14.175 Poll - BSIP59 - Do Not Reduce MCR of bitCNY
so if you actually support to reduce MCR, please cancel setting baozi as your proxy.
投票代理baozi反对降低bitCNY的MCR。
如果你支持降低，请取消将baozi设为投票代理。
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要求撤票！这些见证人到现在都还没把MCR改成1.6，对社区共识没有重视！
delegate-1.lafona
blckchnd
openledger-dc
verbaltech2
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28399.0
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Hi baozi
关于 2019-2020 BitShares Mobile 的工作您有什么建议吗？希望您能继续支持BitShares Mobile后续的工作计划。
新的一期工作计划我们将会着重考虑BitShares作为交易所应该具备的功能以及普通用户高需求的功能。同时作为一个去中心化的健康生态，增加交易类型、提升获客能力、增加及稳定系统收益也将是我们的目标。
我们将继续以务实的工作态度、高效的工作能力为 BitShares 的发展作出贡献。
希望能继续得到您和您所代理的成员支持。
同时作为技术达人与社区元老以及BTS持有者及代理人，希望您能更多的加入到BitShares的发展中，当然如果您各方面都允许的话。
最后，七月上海的石墨烯会议，您会参加并有机会见面吗？
相关介绍及视频展示
2018-2019 工作报告 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27486.msg330856#msg330856g)
2019-2020 工作计划 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28460.0)
BitShares Mobile 功能展示-视频「YouTube」 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9njZA_3l19E)
BitShares Mobile 功能展示-视频「优酷」 (https://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDIxODIzMzIzMg==.html?spm=a2h0k.11417342.soresults.dtitle)
源代码&官网下载
GitHub (https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-mobile-app)
下载地址 (http://btspp.io)
请投票给我们
提案l: 201906-bitshares-mobile-app (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28460.0)
ID: 1.14.198
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Hi baozi
Do you have any suggestions for the work of 2019-2020 BitShares Mobile? I hope that you can continue to support the follow-up work plan of BitShares Mobile.
New Phase I Work Plan We will focus on the features that BitShares should have as an exchange and the high demand of ordinary users. At the same time, as a decentralized healthy ecology, increasing the types of transactions, improving the ability to acquire customers, increasing and stabilizing the system benefits will also be our goal.
We will continue to contribute to the development of BitShares with a pragmatic working attitude and efficient work ability.
We hope to continue to receive support from you and the members you represent.
At the same time, as a technology expert and community veteran and BTS holders and agents, I hope that you can join the development of BitShares more, of course, if you allow all aspects.
Finally, will you attend and have a chance to meet at the Graphene Conference in Shanghai in July?
Related introductions and video presentations
2018-2019 Work Report (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27486.msg330856#msg330856g)
2019-2020 Work Plan (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28460.0)
BitShares Mobile - Video「YouTube」 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9njZA_3l19E)
BitShares Mobile - Video「优酷」 (https://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDIxODIzMzIzMg==.html?spm=a2h0k.11417342.soresults.dtitle)
Source Code&Download
GitHub (https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-mobile-app)
Download (http://btspp.io)
Please vote for us
Proposal: 201906-bitshares-mobile-app (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28460.0)
ID: 1.14.198
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Please, consider voting for my witness.
I really can't remember last time someone complained about my witness, or API node, or USD and CNY feeds. Still, beos guys decided to unvote me, with no apparent reason.
Thanks
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Please, consider voting for my witness.
I really can't remember last time someone complained about my witness, or API node, or USD and CNY feeds. Still, beos guys decided to unvote me, with no apparent reason.
Thanks
My own reasoning:
16. bhuz
Voting: No,
Reason: No topic, not even google search returned anything. I just don't have idea who is the person/Block Producer.
Suggest you become more active around here than just when your witness is not voted in + above mentioned as Reason.
Chee®s