Quote from: DataSecurityNode on April 26, 2015, 09:02:42 am

Quote from: svk on April 26, 2015, 08:18:25 am

Quote from: bitscape on April 26, 2015, 07:36:36 am

Quote from: CLains on April 25, 2015, 10:42:37 pm

delegate pay, referral system, devs seeking funding from entrepeneurs, bitAssets AND bitAssets 3.0 can all co-exist.

CLains with the essence of it all in 16 words. 

Removing something that works, albeit imperfectly, for something that is completely unproven is not a good idea. Start out with a hybrid system, then if the referral thing works out well we can eventually all migrate to that. We need incremental changes, building on what already exists, not sweeping changes that throw out the old for new shinies.

 

In my model you don't even need to 'shift' anything.. the delegates support the proposed 'toll roads' and serve to provide policy oversight and enforcement. This doesn't mean delegates have to remain as is.. I am all for improvements to the way delegates are handled also.. but the baby with the bathwater proposal is or was not received or perceived as an improvement but an upheaval.

We haven't seen the proposal.. but I certainly hope it is just that.. a proposal.. and I hope it can consider changes.. like my suggested adoption of a hybrid refer system integrated into UIAs with delegate oversight.. this to me utilizing all our core capacities to bring in something good.

I TOTALLY GET the incentive of transaction fees.. TOTALLY.. it just needs all the right pieces implimented to make it work right.. BM did say in the course of the meeting the idea of stability and neutrality.. after discussion with at least one core dev though.. I have the impression there won't be sweeping changes to delegates like the mumble session might have suggested.

UIA gateways for user refer fees with delegate vote capacity based on anti-spam mandate to freeze bad neighbourhood UIAs is the way I think it could/should go in an effective way to gain mass adoption and protect the brand/tech.

Changes to delegates is another discussion.

This ^ is why I am GLAD bytemaster is open about these things and discusses them with us.  Because rather than complain, data just came up with a happy medium proposal that we can try without significantly changing anything.
It is THIS ^ that makes bitshares amazing...our citizens have the power to do far more than just complain.  We can actually propose and use solutions dynamically.

As for unnecessary politics...well the only way you get rid of that is to make us all automatons connected to the borg mothership..and that is just no fun... 

Quote from: nomoreheroes7 on April 23, 2015, 06:05:44 pm

How concrete is "this summer"? I remember quite a few things were supposed to be coming "last December" that never materialized...also, summer is kind of broad. I like to think of summer as being here as soon as the sun comes out (May - June), but summer can technically be considered active until late September or so.

"This summer" will end up being mid 2016, just like "1.0 by christmas" is Dec 25, 2015.

Quote from: xeroc ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ on April 23, 2015, 09:22:00 am

- how long are your monday meetings?
- what can possible be more important than non-classified talk? ( )
- how is the bitasset3.0 proposal implemented in parallel to bitassets1.0?
- will it be the "same" market/asset just an extra set of features? or will it be a different token?
- will bitassets3.0 be a 1.0 feature?
- when will we have a rough roadmap that can be put on the webpage?

Monday meetings are from 10 am through lunch. 
We will share those plans with you once we get everything ready for public consumption (this summer)
BitUSD 3.0 will be different than BitUSD
1.0 has been postponed due to BitAssets 3.0...
We will have a documented, tested, stable protocol definition this summer that will not need to change that includes the referral system

We are implementing the "implement then announce" rather than the "announce and then implement" approach to avoid missing deadlines and killing buzz or confusing the market.   When we announce the roadmap will be included... but it will only have 1 item on it and that is turing complete smart contracts which will be our LAST hard fork.

Quote from: bytemaster on April 23, 2015, 05:07:46 pm

Quote from: NewMine on April 23, 2015, 05:00:19 pm

The dwindling interest can be attributed to a number of things:

Mainly the merger  dilution/distribution and inflation
The alienation of Adam B. Levine and Charles H.
and
The constant pivoting and changing.

I challenge you to go back and read the OG whitepaper, not the new one and compare the ideology and goals, ie the "axioms" part, and tell me how far away we are from that original idea because of the pivots and lack of progress. That is why the waining interest in  bitshares continues.

So you are proposing we do the following:

1) return to deflationary model
2) stop pivoting / changing
3) Bring Adam B. Levine back into the fold

If that is what you want then I think everyone will be very happy with what we are working on and will announce this summer.

Newmine.. just got served lol


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Quote from: xiahui135 on April 22, 2015, 12:03:36 pm

People need digital currency, but they do not need it like this.
It is like in the green energy area, many company died, not because they do not need green energy, but because they just need something to solve a specific problem. Tesla is an example.
In this aspect, ripple do beeter than any other crypo.

Quote from: lastagile on April 22, 2015, 12:47:11 pm

Will never up before the short rule change. . Ridiculous rule


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...what's up with all the random, unsubstantiated pessimism from members of the Chinese community lately?

Things finally seem to be starting to turn around...guess they didn't get the memo.

BM mentioned in the last mumble that crypto is moving slower than a lot of us think it is. This got me thinking about how long it will be before the blockchain technology really takes hold.

I'm sure its going to be an evolution rather than revolution, but what are peoples thoughts - 18-24 months or 5 years?

I saw coindesk had an article about 2015 being the year of the blockchain but i don't see it just yet, at least not yet in terms of mass adoption. I think we're 2-3 years away (based on my very scientific wet finger in the air analysis).

Anyone have any links or thoughts?

Quote from: Riverhead on August 25, 2014, 04:35:06 pm

The problem is those people treat Satoshi as a god when they should be adjusting his poorly conceived inflation schedule with a hardfork.

* bitAsset holders can be guaranteed a return with only 1% loss in 24 hours, which is much better than up to 30 days!