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中文 (Chinese) / 大家的沉默不代表没有意见，两个问题：sfender多重代表恶意喊空。推广费财务透明，真理越辩越明！
« on: November 04, 2014, 03:59:15 am »
大家的沉默不代表没有意见，两个问题：sfender多重代表恶意喊空。推广费财务透明，真理越辩越明！
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中文 (Chinese) / 平心而论sfender应该正面回应一下对你的指责，并且继续推究推广费透明问题两个问题社区币友都认为很重要！
« on: November 04, 2014, 03:53:55 am »
平心而论sfender应该正面回应一下对你的指责，并且继续推究推广费透明问题两个问题社区币友都认为很重要！
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中文 (Chinese) / Coin是否是sfender不重要，重要的是敢于追究真像的勇气！
« on: November 04, 2014, 12:58:48 am »
Coin是否是sfender不重要，重要的是敢于追究真像的勇气！
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: I3中国社区的推广基金(400个比特币,當時值近200萬人民幣)问卷
« on: November 03, 2014, 07:16:03 am »
有人监督质疑很正常，被监督者应该坦然面对，强烈质疑监督，说明心里有鬼！学一下马币官方的透明度吧！
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 试着翻译了一下BM的大作，感觉他的英文连小学都没毕业！多提宝贵意见！
« on: October 27, 2014, 11:03:56 am »
“I would like to take a step back and help us all reflect on why we are doing what we are doing and what it is that has created this community in the first place.
我想退一步，为我们所有人反思一下我们现在做的事情，及其在社区里产生的影响。”
这一段话，你翻译的就missing point了。
我来尝试翻译：我想退一步，帮助我们所有人回想：1.我们这些人为什么在做现在做的事；2.最开始的时候是什么（力量）创造了我们这个社区。
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 试着翻译了一下BM的大作，感觉他的英文连小学都没毕业！多提宝贵意见！
« on: October 27, 2014, 09:26:04 am »
“I am not really certain what are you trying to say. Let's hope it is my English.”这是第一个跟帖
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中文 (Chinese) / 试着翻译了一下BM的大作，感觉他的英文连小学都没毕业！多提宝贵意见！
« on: October 27, 2014, 07:59:49 am »
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I would like to take a step back and help us all reflect on why we are doing what we are doing and what it is that has created this community in the first place.
我想退一步，为我们所有人反思一下我们现在做的事情，及其在社区里产生的影响。
I have set out on a mission in life to find free market solutions to secure life, liberty, and property and BitShares is my evolving approach to this problem. Many people have joined us because of this vision and have become a fan because of what we believe more so than what we have built. In the middle of our success it is easy to lose sight of what is bringing us all together and what really matters.
我已经准备在我的一生的使命中，发现一个自由市场的解决方案，来保障生命，自由和财产，而这个解决方案就是逐渐进化的“BitShares”。很多具有同样信念的人已经加入进来，并且成为了粉丝，因为当前我们相信的信念远大于我们目前所取得的进展。在我们取得胜利的过程中，对于工作进程所带给我们所有人的影响，我们很容易忽略不见，并且分不清什么是重要的影响因素。
Does our technology help us achieve our purpose, freedom. Who should our technology appeal to? It should appeal to those who want economic freedom in both trade and wealth.
我们的技术是否能够帮助我们实现我们的目标-自由？我们的技术所预期服务的对象是谁？答案是：哪些渴望在贸易和财富方面都采用自由经济方式的人。
Selling BitShares as a "company" with X, Y, Z features is approaching the space like Dell and not Apple. Lets reimagine everything, think out side the box and create a society where we can be secure and where threats of violence by the government are overwhelmed by non-violent cooperation. We all long for freedom, it is universal. We all long for security. No one likes theft and violence.
将BitShares作为一个具有“X,Y,Z”特性的公司，进行出售，是一种趋向于Dell公司，而非Apple公司的做法。让我们仔细想一想，跳出“禁锢我们思维的盒子”想一下，并且创造一个社会，这个社会能够通过非暴力合作，保障不会受到来自政府暴力威胁，我们都渴望自由，这是普遍的诉求。我们都渴望保障，没有人喜欢盗窃和暴力。
The problem we have is that most people won't choose to adopt BitUSD because of its yield or merchant adoption. They will first choose to adopt it because it resonates with something DEEP within... they do it "just because"... to make a statement to the outside world that there is a different way.
我们面临的问题是，多数人因为产量，以及商业模式（与经济活动太隔离？），不接受BitUSD。人们将因为BitUSD与某些东西产生共振，并且含有更深厚的内涵而接受它…。人们这样做“仅仅是因为”：…BitUSD能够与外界有联络，并且有不一样的模式。
So lets not sell a product with features... lets let people know what we believe and stand for. Lets let the world know that owning BitShares or buying BitUSD is about making a statement not making an investment. Bitcoin grew because it allowed people to make a statement... but it was too volatile for more than the true believers in the vision to hold. BitUSD gives the true believers a safe place to express themselves backed by extreme believers. You don't accept BitUSD at your business just because it is better than a credit card, you accept it to make a point and that point is that you believe in freedom, transparency, and individual financial sovernty.
所以，让我们改变卖产品的心态…，使人们了解我们的信念和观点。让这个世界知道，拥有BitShares，或者购买BitUSD是关乎一种姿态的表达，而非是一种投资。 比特币的成长是因为，它让人们有一种姿态表达…，但这种表达超越了比特币的真实信念和观点，而显得非常捉摸不定。你接受BitUSD，不仅因为其在经济活动中，优于信用卡，你接受他，表达了你的观点：你相信自由，透明，以及个人财富的决定权。
I don't know about you, but this vision is not based upon a share price and does not depend upon any set of features. It is something that we can build for ourselves at any scale if we can attract like minded people.
我无从了解你的想法，但以上观点不是基于某种股份的价格，也不是基于某种（BitShare）特性。如果我们能像有思想的人一样具有吸引力，我们就能够为我们自己，或多或少做一些事情。
http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action
So... lets go change the world!
好了，让我们改变这个世界吧！
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I would like to take a step back and help us all reflect on why we are doing what we are doing and what it is that has created this community in the first place.
我想退一步，为我们所有人反思一下我们现在做的事情，及其在社区里产生的影响。
I have set out on a mission in life to find free market solutions to secure life, liberty, and property and BitShares is my evolving approach to this problem. Many people have joined us because of this vision and have become a fan because of what we believe more so than what we have built. In the middle of our success it is easy to lose sight of what is bringing us all together and what really matters.
我已经准备在我的一生的使命中，发现一个自由市场的解决方案，来保障生命，自由和财产，而这个解决方案就是逐渐进化的“BitShares”。很多具有同样信念的人已经加入进来，并且成为了粉丝，因为当前我们相信的信念远大于我们目前所取得的进展。在我们取得胜利的过程中，对于工作进程所带给我们所有人的影响，我们很容易忽略不见，并且分不清什么是重要的影响因素。
Does our technology help us achieve our purpose, freedom. Who should our technology appeal to? It should appeal to those who want economic freedom in both trade and wealth.
我们的技术是否能够帮助我们实现我们的目标-自由？我们的技术所预期服务的对象是谁？答案是：哪些渴望在贸易和财富方面都采用自由经济方式的人。
Selling BitShares as a "company" with X, Y, Z features is approaching the space like Dell and not Apple. Lets reimagine everything, think out side the box and create a society where we can be secure and where threats of violence by the government are overwhelmed by non-violent cooperation. We all long for freedom, it is universal. We all long for security. No one likes theft and violence.
将BitShares作为一个具有“X,Y,Z”特性的公司，进行出售，是一种趋向于Dell公司，而非Apple公司的做法。让我们仔细想一想，跳出“禁锢我们思维的盒子”想一下，并且创造一个社会，这个社会能够通过非暴力合作，保障不会受到来自政府暴力威胁，我们都渴望自由，这是普遍的诉求。我们都渴望保障，没有人喜欢盗窃和暴力。
The problem we have is that most people won't choose to adopt BitUSD because of its yield or merchant adoption. They will first choose to adopt it because it resonates with something DEEP within... they do it "just because"... to make a statement to the outside world that there is a different way.
我们面临的问题是，多数人因为产量，以及商业模式（与经济活动太隔离？），不接受BitUSD。人们将因为BitUSD与某些东西产生共振，并且含有更深厚的内涵而接受它…。人们这样做“仅仅是因为”：…BitUSD能够与外界有联络，并且有不一样的模式。
So lets not sell a product with features... lets let people know what we believe and stand for. Lets let the world know that owning BitShares or buying BitUSD is about making a statement not making an investment. Bitcoin grew because it allowed people to make a statement... but it was too volatile for more than the true believers in the vision to hold. BitUSD gives the true believers a safe place to express themselves backed by extreme believers. You don't accept BitUSD at your business just because it is better than a credit card, you accept it to make a point and that point is that you believe in freedom, transparency, and individual financial sovernty.
所以，让我们改变卖产品的心态…，使人们了解我们的信念和观点。让这个世界知道，拥有BitShares，或者购买BitUSD是关乎一种姿态的表达，而非是一种投资。 比特币的成长是因为，它让人们有一种姿态表达…，但这种表达超越了比特币的真实信念和观点，而显得非常捉摸不定。你接受BitUSD，不仅因为其在经济活动中，优于信用卡，你接受他，表达了你的观点：你相信自由，透明，以及个人财富的决定权。
I don't know about you, but this vision is not based upon a share price and does not depend upon any set of features. It is something that we can build for ourselves at any scale if we can attract like minded people.
我无从了解你的想法，但以上观点不是基于某种股份的价格，也不是基于某种（BitShare）特性。如果我们能像有思想的人一样具有吸引力，我们就能够为我们自己，或多或少做一些事情。
http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_how_great_leaders_inspire_action
So... lets go change the world!
好了，让我们改变这个世界吧！
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General Discussion / Re: [POLL] DISCUSSION: Should 3rd-party DACs honor AGS/PTS?
« on: October 25, 2014, 09:15:11 am »One of the pressing questions we face in the long-term is the issue of 3rd-party DAC developers and who they should airdrop to. Here are the options that I've seen discussed (my favorite option is #3 or #4, btw):selection1 and 2 are the same, and selection 3 split the vote to 1,and 2，so selection 3, should be deleted. this poll intended to set misleadings! and make advantage for BTSers. Very Ugly!
1. We could leave AGS as-is, and port only PTS into GENESIS (user-issued asset on BTS). That way, GENESIS is essentially PTS 2.0, and we preserve the idea that AGS is the illiquid share class, PTS is the liquid one.
2. There have been at least two proposals (by Shentist and emski, I believe) to create a user-issued asset on the new BTS called GENESIS and snapshot it 50/50 AGS/PTS. Then new DACs would honor GENESIS with a 20% snapshot. I'm not crazy about combining AGS with anything like that. IMO, AGS should be left alone (disclosure: I own only 12 AGS; I'm not speaking from dishonest bias here).
3. Let PTS end, but preserve AGS. Now, 3rd-party devs would be recommended to honor 10% AGS and 10% BTS. It does still give a slight preference to pre-Feb28 donators, but only a slight one, and preserves the original intentions of AGS. It ends PTS, which simplifies the marketing message (PTS was always a weird idea, don't you think?).
4. Invictus has floated the idea that they should honor the new BTS with 20%. The rationale is that the new BTS snapshotted AGS/PTS and thus honoring BTS is like honoring AGS/PTS. The dramatic flaw in this proposal is that it gives a huge preference to pre-Feb28 AGS donators. For that reason, I strongly oppose this option because it's severely unfair to those who donated after the original BTSX snapshot.
Discuss.
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General Discussion / Re: [POLL] DISCUSSION: Should 3rd-party DACs honor AGS/PTS?
« on: October 25, 2014, 09:14:05 am »selection1 and 2 are the same, and selection 3 split the vote to 1,and 2，so selection 3, should be deleted. this poll intended to set misleadings! and make advantage for BTSers. Very Ugly!the poll is wrong setting， （1）and （2）are the same situation。and should be combined!投票设置有陷阱！（1）和（2）选项是一回事儿！都是支持AGSer 和 PTSer各10%。分开设置，分散了AGSer 和PTSer的集中度，使得BTS占了大便宜！他奶奶的！比BM还阴损！
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 投票：第三方DAC应该尊守什么样的共识
« on: October 25, 2014, 09:08:41 am »1,2合并，第3选项同样分散了1,2选项，应该去掉，通票选项应该就两条：1 是否同意未来第三方DAC分给AGS，和PTS各10%。2. 是否同意未来第三方DAC只给BTS20%投票设置有陷阱！（1）和（2）选项是一回事儿！都是支持AGSer 和 PTSer各10%。分开设置，分散了AGSer 和PTSer的集中度，使得BTS占了大便宜！他奶奶的！比BM还阴损！这个问题我也发现了 1和2要合并考虑才对
这个投票选项真阴险！
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General Discussion / Re: [POLL] DISCUSSION: Should 3rd-party DACs honor AGS/PTS?
« on: October 25, 2014, 08:55:25 am »the poll is wrong setting， （1）and （2）are the same situation。and should be combined!投票设置有陷阱！（1）和（2）选项是一回事儿！都是支持AGSer 和 PTSer各10%。分开设置，分散了AGSer 和PTSer的集中度，使得BTS占了大便宜！他奶奶的！比BM还阴损！
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 3I合并调整解读与建议 ---比特信徒
« on: October 25, 2014, 07:30:57 am »
全力支持楼主，应该让英文社区听到这个意见，本次合并没问题，但对AGS，和PTS的补偿太少也是事实,，没有定论之前都可以提议修改！
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 投票：第三方DAC应该尊守什么样的共识
« on: October 25, 2014, 07:12:42 am »
投票设置有陷阱！（1）和（2）选项是一回事儿！都是支持AGSer 和 PTSer各10%。分开设置，分散了AGSer 和PTSer的集中度，使得BTS占了大便宜！他奶奶的！比BM还阴损！
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General Discussion / Re: [POLL] DISCUSSION: Should 3rd-party DACs honor AGS/PTS?
« on: October 25, 2014, 07:07:47 am »
the poll is wrong setting， （1）and （2）are the same situation。and should be combined!
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 理性思考代替情绪宣泄，告诉你为什么要支持BM的决定！
« on: October 24, 2014, 11:56:46 am »我主要是228后的AGS，也没觉得有什么损失，相反原本不能分到X的A P，再给你分了一次X，而且还多了几个快照，国人素质有待提高，否则民主原则无从谈起！
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