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And also make fees 0 to every maker and get the borrow cost to 0 too.

Would be interesting to see the fight for the first row of the book.

Cheers! lol

@clayop about the borrow fee, can I make something?

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How about that: each 10 block or so pay some BTS to the first order of the book (proportional of the size of the order) of each asset we want to bootstrap :-)

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This is not the same because the first ones will earn more then the last ones, the more simple equivalent way could be to get a dillution that is deacaing until 0 to pay the maker (then the network get all fees later that will pay this dilution)

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General Discussion / Re: UIA Giveaway - BRICS
« on: December 09, 2015, 02:01:02 am »
theredpill

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Is a symbolic contract that allows CNX to be reward with future market fees 20% of all fees if I understand right.

I think we should do it, if CNX is willing to develop for free now to be compensated on fees later, this tell us a LOT in terms of if they have any doubt about succeeding.
Some conditions must be respected IMO:

1 - This cannot affect in any shape or form way the network functions.
2 - We have to find a way to compensate only the bests offers that STAYS on book by X period of time (the trigger is the match of order, but the reward is proportional of the TIME the order stayed)


Thats no doubt in my mind now if this network will be a great success, my shares are not for sell so soon :-)

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General Discussion / Re: Incentivising Liquidity
« on: December 04, 2015, 02:49:46 am »
I keep saying it and will say it again.

We need relative orders that allow orders to be placed in relation to the feed price and then move with it.

If you had a script that did that, but you had to pay a transaction fee when the price drifted by some value from the original, would you use it?

It can be implemented using your own server (I'd make a worker to write the tool and split it with xeroc for using his library). But without a hardfork and some serious coding, it isn't immediately implementable on the chain.

I'm against this because put a lot of trust in the publishing feeds and risk on the system since witness could easily manipulate the feed and run with a lot of money. Also this can easily be work around using third part tools or bots.

I'm actually talking about making a third party tool or bot to do what jonny's asking since you can't do it on the chain.

That's a fair concern about relying on someone else's data. You could use your own feed so it doesn't rely on anyone else.

Yes I see now, I get confused by the hardfork part. About paying fee when price drifted, this gonna be solved by proposal #1 of BM. (except for anti-spam fee)

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General Discussion / Re: Incentivising Liquidity
« on: December 04, 2015, 02:20:01 am »
Really? Do you have a list?
I think metaexchange, but anyway we just start BTS 2.0, the system is in its infancy now, there's lots of tools coming out soon. I for instance am building something. Now it is time for take the ass off the chair and make the world we wish to see.

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General Discussion / Re: Incentivising Liquidity
« on: December 04, 2015, 02:05:29 am »
I keep saying it and will say it again.

We need relative orders that allow orders to be placed in relation to the feed price and then move with it.

If you had a script that did that, but you had to pay a transaction fee when the price drifted by some value from the original, would you use it?

It can be implemented using your own server (I'd make a worker to write the tool and split it with xeroc for using his library). But without a hardfork and some serious coding, it isn't immediately implementable on the chain.

I'm against this because put a lot of trust in the publishing feeds and risk on the system since witness could easily manipulate the feed and run with a lot of money. Also this can easily be work around using third part tools or bots.


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General Discussion / Re: Incentivising Liquidity
« on: December 04, 2015, 01:19:25 am »
I think the first step is to not charge nothing (except anti-spam prevention) for operations that locks up money in the system, like borrow, vesting or making our order book.
Reducing call order update fee was discussed among committee members, and bitcrab did a survey IIRC.

And... ?

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General Discussion / Re: Incentivising Liquidity
« on: December 04, 2015, 01:10:34 am »
I think the first step is to not charge nothing (except anti-spam prevention) for operations that locks up money in the system, like borrow, vesting or making our order book.

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General Discussion / Re: Incentivising Liquidity
« on: December 04, 2015, 01:06:31 am »

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/active-trading/042414/what-makertaker-fees-mean-you.asp
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The maker-taker plan harks back to 1997, when Island Electronic Communications Network creator Joshua Levine designed a pricing model aimed to give providers an incentive to trade in markets with narrow spreads. Under this scenario, makers would receive a $0.002/share rebate and takers would pay a $0.003/share fee, and the exchange would keep the $0.001/share difference. By the mid-2000s, rebate capture strategies had emerged as a staple of market incentive features, with payments ranging from 20 to 30 cents for every 100 shares traded.

I'm thinking give the incentive only to the short-seller-maker to reduce the premium and compensate for the added risk inherent with the short side in bitshares.

Meanwhile we keep charging 40 BTS for borrow and update collateral... That's odd.

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General Discussion / Re: Incentivising Liquidity
« on: December 03, 2015, 05:36:35 am »
#1 Yes let's do it ASAP

#2 Not sure because of complexity, risk of gamming

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I think this should be amost free (just anti-spam fee).

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General Discussion / Re: Transfer Fee Price Survey
« on: November 16, 2015, 02:59:55 am »
Regarding transfer only.

A) $0.3      (Too expensive)
B) $0.009    (Too cheap)
C) $0.09    (Getting expensive)
D) $0.03 or R$ 0.12   (Good Value)

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General Discussion / Re: Reasons for Lowering Fees
« on: November 15, 2015, 03:55:05 am »
We are refunding 99% of order creation fee if it is canceled.  So the cost to create/cancel is very small (just enough to prevent spam).

The end result is that the "order creation fee" becomes a "minimum fee" for filled orders which has the effect of preventing dust orders.

The minimum order fee will probably be similar to a transfer fee, $0.20 per filled order, $0.05 for lifetime members.

@bytemaster

Why charge a % fee on the maker just to maybe refund that if he cancels the order, when you can just charge all on the taker. Is the taker that pays the fee anyway by agreeing with the price + fee of the book, think about it.

Also I'm with clayop on fees, today I was showing the system to a friend of my and he asked about the high fee, we need to a least find some middle term acceptable, I think our main niche on short time are going to be exchange anyways, just look at centralized ones, They try to not charge much money on the in out process but only the actual match of order, but then charge high. I totally agree with this approach, is the exchange of goods that create most value for the parts, not transference.


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