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BitShares PTS / List of "Firsts" in ProtoShares History
« on: November 12, 2013, 05:13:03 am »
The first week since the launch of ProtoShares is in the history books and we already seem to have a robust, for-profit multi-enterprise ecosystem developing.  Here are some of the Key Historical Events and “Firsts" we noted.  What other history making events would you include in this time line?

Invictus Incorporated July 4th, 2013

CCC Announcement.  Oct 5, 2013 -  Invictus first mining opportunity is targeted for "Early November”.

ProtoShares Unveiled. Oct 19, 2013 - Invictus Newsletter 01 introduces ProtoShares as the precursor to BitShares (and many future DACs).

Forum goes live.  Nov 3, 2013 - at bitsharestalk.org

First ProtoShares miner/wallet.  November 4, 2013 - Near final source code for inspection.  This code is independently produced and maintained by bitsharestalk user FreeTrade, in response to a bounty to modify the standard Bitcoin release to incorporate the Momentum proof of work.   It became the official launch baseline against which future improvements are measured.

Launch Alert!  Nov 4, 12:14 AM EST - Newsletter #2 announces that release is imminent - watch the forum!

Launch of Genesis Block.  Nov 5, 08:08:08 GMT -  Invictus actually released miners to everyone in the hour leading up to this intended time when someone grabbed our final test code and started mining a bit early.

First Known Trade.  Nov 5 - super3 sells 2.5 PTS at 0.01 BTC/PTS to paimike@bitcointalk for total of 0.25 BTC.

First OTC Exchange. Nov 6 - Lighthouse founds the first formal for-profit PTS forum exchange and escrow service. Providing liquidity with a formal buy-sell spread - begins at 0.002 buy and 0.004 sell.

First Suspected Scam. Nov 6 - posted by carisma

First Mining Pools
      Nov 7, profoot announces PTS pool.
      Nov 8, xolokram announces Beeeer - the first for-profit ProtoShares mining pool!
      Nov 9, Invictus begins testing alpha pool with new miner as a competitive performance edge. 

First Automated Exchange.  Nov 9 - Silfax announces on-line exchange for trading Protoshares and Bitcoin.

First Emergency Fork. Nov 10, 06:15:07 AM EST - Hopefully also the last.  Invictus announces the need for a chain fork to move block rate from 15 seconds back in the direction of the nominal 5 minute specification. (The amount of hash power backing the network caused an unplanned acceleration of the intended mining production integral by 2 or 3 months.)

First Competing Miner - Nov 11 jh00 asserts its custom miner has 5x improvement over Invictus miners… game on!

$1 Million Market Cap.  Nov 11 - FreeTrade and donschoe independently document informal estimates ProtoShares' Market Cap has exceeded $1 million for the first time. 

First Denial of Service Attack - Nov 12 -  Took down Bytemaster's pool for a few hours.

Other firsts?

   Fastest crypto-asset to reach critical mass in history?

   First coin to launch with TOO MUCH hash power?

   ….

Let us know what we missed!




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Lots of good issues worthy of discussion!

The two years was intended to span our planned development cycle for BitShares and its spinoffs.

But I agree, it would probably still work if we mined out faster, since its all about speculative trading on the idea and promise of BitShares as a whole class of DACs.  But having a longer tail during which mining could remain profitable due to anticipated ProtoShares appreciation seemed like a more conservative approach.

Concerning the "drop everything to mine" syndrome, we'll see what it's like when BitShares takes its snapshot.  All ProtoShares holders will automagically get their initial stake, but I'm betting most will still participate in the new gold rush to get some more of the new BitShares Mother Lode.  Hopefully we'll have the parameters dialed in by then and all the tools in place to make it a more pleasant experience for everyone -- including Bytemaster.

You are probably right - some people may sell their ProtoShares after they get their BitShares snapshot.  However, I expect that by that time many will have fully internalized why ProtoShares is the gift that keeps on giving.  Snapshot after snapshot as new DACs debut.  They will want to keep them to cash in again and again on whatever new offerings are on the horizon at that time.  (If there is nothing on the horizon at that time, then shame on us and our competitors!)

Another possibility we might do with ProtoShares is to use them to clone TestShares, DAC where people can experiment with trading algorithms without risking the stake they mined and traded so hard for.  Then, when they have a strategy and feel competent to risk the Real Thing, they can move over to one of the BitShares exchanges and play for keeps. 

That of course depends on whether there appears to be interest in such a thing.

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I know not what course others may take, but you can have my ProtoShares when you pry them from my cold dead hands.   
-- Patrick Henry and Charlton Heston

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Keyhotee / Re: Connecting Keyhotee and Protoshares
« on: November 11, 2013, 09:21:54 pm »
These kind of issues are why we are waiting for forum feedback like yours before committing one way or another. 

Our first newsletter covered this is some detail (see the News tab at invictus-innovations.com).  There we speculated:

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Can you imagine if you had owned ProtoShares for the idea of a web browser? By the time Netscape,
Firefox, Internet Explorer, Safari, and Chrome had been implemented, you would own shares in every
one of them! Who would try to introduce a new browser without honoring the market share of current
browser ProtoShares holders? ProtoShares are like ownership in a patent that never expires – entitling
you to “royalties” in all future implementations of the idea!

The assumption is that subsequent arriving competitors would see several advantages to honoring the protoshares of an existing DAC:

  • It would give the most informed and committed stakeholders an incentive to view their new implementation favorably.
  • It would leverage an already existing community with populated forums, trading mechanisms, and reputations already established.
  • Some DACs may require a critical mass of shares to pre-exist in order to function efficiently or at all.  This is a way to initialize a DACs market with informed owners and an operative money supply.
  • By investing in those ProtoShares before announcing that social contract, they might expect to grow the value of ProtoShares for everybody and hence raise some capital to fund their own development.

Of course, that last bullet factors into their consideration of where to hook on in the family tree.  The higher you hook on the more stakeholders you inherit.  The lower you hook on the more your announcement will influence the value of your acquired stake.  There's also the theoretical possibility of specifying your DAC's social contract to include multiple inheritance.  Think about that one.

Lots to be learned here.  Hoping for new ideas and a robust discussion of their pros and cons.

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Keyhotee / Re: Connecting Keyhotee and Protoshares
« on: November 11, 2013, 07:09:13 pm »
ProtoShares is intended to be the granddaddy of all our DACs as far ahead as we can see.  There remain at least two variables:  (a) where in the family tree a new DAC plugs in and (b) the specific Terms and Conditions for mapping shares down the tree.  These may vary from DAC to DAC and developer to developer and will adapt to lessons learned over time.  The tree location must be considered carefully since we want children to predict the market value of their specialty area's Key Ideas.  Thus, other exchange type DACs will naturally be children of BitShares (grandchildren of ProtoShares) but DomainShares will probably plug straight in as a child of ProtoShares.  We are watching market reaction and listening to the forum before we commit to such details for DomainShares.  So far the only thing cast in concrete is our social contract to map ProtoShares to BitShares on a one-to-one share basis when its genesis block is laid down.  Naturally, the sooner we can decide and make a public commitment for other DACs, the better it will be for all investors.  But we need to listen and observe first.

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Keyhotee / Re: Connecting Keyhotee and Protoshares
« on: November 11, 2013, 05:28:26 am »
Fill in the blank:

1 protoshare = x % of all protoshares ever to be mined (2 million total was it?)
1 bitshare = y% of all bitshares ever to be mined (??)

1 protoshare = z bitshares (1.0 I believe)

x/y

In principle, any DAC developer can specify the terms of their social contract wrt to ProtoShares or one of its descendants.  The social contract we published for BitShares is that it would be initialized with one BitShare for every ProtoShare a person owns at the pre-published time of launch.  Its not percent based, its a one-for-one snapshot.  Other DACs from Invictus or other sources may specify different terms and conditions and the market will reward the ones they like.  The more different types of DAC shares that ownership of ProtoShares becomes good for, the more we would expect ProtoShares market value to rise.

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Keyhotee / Re: Connecting Keyhotee and Protoshares
« on: November 11, 2013, 05:00:43 am »
Exactly.  Nothing says anyone in the community can't fork off of ProtoShares, BitShares or one of its grandchildren, as appropriate.  We encourage it.  The more DACs from all sources that carry a developer's commitment to honor the ProtoShares social contract, the greater the value ProtoShares will have to those who manage to get some now (and the more launch velocity DAC developers can inherit from this freight train's momentum.)

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General Discussion / Re: Introduction to BitShares - Video
« on: November 11, 2013, 04:49:32 am »
Couldn't have said it more succinctly myself.

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BitShares PTS / Re: We need a Protoshares Explainer Video
« on: November 11, 2013, 04:42:18 am »
In general, we prefer to do things in the most distributed way possible.  We'd love to see how others in the community would explain it in a video.

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BitShares PTS / Re: We need a Protoshares Explainer Video
« on: November 11, 2013, 04:33:07 am »
Such a video is a great idea.  Until we do one, try looking at the ProtoShares Primer in our first newsletter at http://invictus-innovations.com/news/.

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Marketplace / Re: Psychiatric Help, 5 PTS
« on: November 07, 2013, 05:03:36 pm »
Rationalization #1.  Its better than playing the lottery.

I see a lot of lamenting about how hard the mining has been.  I don’t know what you’re talking about! My MacBook Air has already won two lotteries, netting 95.125 PTS, in two days!  When PTS reaches parity with BTC (hey, this is a right-brain thread) that will be worth something north of fifteen kilobucks!  When BitShares launches, I get 95.125 of its shares that will start earning dividends on the first block mined.  And I'll get 95.125 shares in every new trading exchange instance of BitShares.  And every other DAC spawned from ProtoShares.  And I’ll probably earn dividends on most of them!  Spending hashes to win ProtoShares is like buying mini lottery tickets to win mega lottery tickets to win cases of mega lottery tickets to win pallets of cases of mega lottery tickets.   And I win more often than buying one of those scratch-and-sniff cards.  Its all about perspective, you see.  Now get back out there and mine one for the Gipper!

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Marketplace / Psychiatric Help, 5 PTS
« on: November 07, 2013, 05:00:05 pm »
   

We’re all big boys and girls.  Many are veterans of former hash wars.  So intellectually we all know the score.  We know why mining is supposed to be hard. We know that markets can be irrational and volatile. Nevertheless, everyone occasionally gets a small case of Hash Traumatic Stress Disorder (HTSD) and loses sight of the Big Picture.  There are sound psychological reasons we are all out there in the hash trenches. It’s why humans succeed as a species.  Time to turn off that left brain, drink a cup of Kool-Aid, and let your right brain run free.  I’m a Certified Quack Psychiatrist (CQP) and here to get you pumped up and back out onto the battlefield as soon as possible.   If I cure your mining and trading blues, and you feel compelled leave a big tip (e.g. to insure good mining karma), you may send vast quantities of ProtoShares (PTS) to PuiWo9RKkSR3Y31CqXEdpRaCF2HQwtfjGf.  Your actual mileage may vary.

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General Discussion / Re: Merged Mining ProtoShares and BitShares
« on: November 06, 2013, 02:53:57 am »
My expectation is that ProtoShares will not fade out with the launch of BitShares.  Every derivative DAC that enters development with a commitment to fork its ProtoShares off the current root (or one of its future branches) will grow the value proposition of that root or branch.   People can choose to invest in the root and/or whatever branches make sense to them.  Nothing says that non-Invictus developer's can't choose to honor the ProtoShares social contract and fork their own DACs.  This would be good for accelerating their launch dynamics and very good for all owners of ProtoShares, no?

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General Discussion / Re: Keyhotee Splash Screen & Icon: Submission
« on: November 06, 2013, 01:16:16 am »
Nice talent.  That would also make a great Screen Saver to remind us periodically of what we're up against!

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