Quote from: drltc on September 29, 2014, 06:06:23 AM

The solution is trivial:  Only allow 1-on-1 matches.

How will this resolve the issue with trust ?

The solution is trivial:  Only allow 1-on-1 matches.

This problem is not solved anywhere.
Big poker sites just don't let you withdraw your money if they suspect you of cheating in any way(assuming you win of course).
This is extremely difficult to be implemented(read impossible) in the blockchain in decentralized manner.

You may have blackjack, roulette , bingo, or any game that can be solved with single random seed AFTER all bets are placed.
Decentralized poker without trust... I'll be very happy if I see something like that.

If both actors colluding acted rationally and as expected then it pushes odds in your favour thus its not a good idea unless you can capture collusion and penalize actors accordingly.

Quote from: bytemaster on September 27, 2014, 11:18:29 PM

Quote from: Bitshark on September 27, 2014, 11:14:09 PM

Quote from: emski on September 27, 2014, 08:53:39 PM

Quote from: bytemaster on September 27, 2014, 08:52:44 PM
If you are playing strangers (or delegates) then even if you can trust the shuffle and dealing you cannot prevent other players from colluding.

This is true for any poker site in the wild.

Yes this is true no matter what. Collusion doesn't necessitate winning in poker.

It changes the odds in favor of the colluding parties.

In theory, yes and no. It can work both ways. You cant play AA against the buddy you're colluding with(you're not profiting off him). As a result you're not capitalizing off premium hands in certain spots where you would be normally. Your win rate drops, and you're still getting raked. Colluding with another can sometimes be a detriment to how one would normally profitably play. Your buddy tells you what he folds, this affects how you normally would play which could or could not be a detriment to a winning poker strategy. In my opinion you would both be better off playing how you would normally and just trying to steer clear of each other. Ive tried colluding with a friend before and its not as cut and dry as putting odds in your favor. In my opinion the risk to reward is simply not there and it just f***s everything up.

I guess no open tables would be allowed now the business would be less appealing than major competitors off the bat

In regards to cheating at online poker... Don't players get paired up randomly according to skill?

dont poker sites have algos to detect collusion? They run when you try to withdraw.

How would that work here?

Quote from: bytemaster on September 27, 2014, 11:18:29 PM

Quote from: Bitshark on September 27, 2014, 11:14:09 PM

Quote from: emski on September 27, 2014, 08:53:39 PM

Quote from: bytemaster on September 27, 2014, 08:52:44 PM
If you are playing strangers (or delegates) then even if you can trust the shuffle and dealing you cannot prevent other players from colluding.

This is true for any poker site in the wild.

Yes this is true no matter what. Collusion doesn't necessitate winning in poker.

It changes the odds in favor of the colluding parties.

Which is, itself, a signal that can be detected (potentially not with massive false-positive/negative rates -- I haven't looked into it.)

Not that it's terribly relevant since, "This is true for any poker site in the wild."

There was some discussion of this back in this old thread.

Quote from: Bitshark on September 27, 2014, 11:14:09 PM

Quote from: emski on September 27, 2014, 08:53:39 PM

Quote from: bytemaster on September 27, 2014, 08:52:44 PM
If you are playing strangers (or delegates) then even if you can trust the shuffle and dealing you cannot prevent other players from colluding.

This is true for any poker site in the wild.

Yes this is true no matter what. Collusion doesn't necessitate winning in poker.

It changes the odds in favor of the colluding parties. 

Quote from: emski on September 27, 2014, 08:53:39 PM

Quote from: bytemaster on September 27, 2014, 08:52:44 PM
If you are playing strangers (or delegates) then even if you can trust the shuffle and dealing you cannot prevent other players from colluding.

This is true for any poker site in the wild.

Yes this is true no matter what. Collusion doesn't necessitate winning in poker.

Quote from: bytemaster on September 27, 2014, 08:52:44 PM
If you are playing strangers (or delegates) then even if you can trust the shuffle and dealing you cannot prevent other players from colluding.

This is true for any poker site in the wild.

If you are playing strangers (or delegates) then even if you can trust the shuffle and dealing you cannot prevent other players from colluding. 

Quote from: bytemaster on September 27, 2014, 08:50:15 PM
You cannot prevent cheating in multi-player poker on a DAC.

Unless you completely trust someone eg delegates.

You cannot prevent cheating in multi-player poker on a DAC.