If BM says he has something exciting on the horizon then I am excited, but with regard to OB....

Supporting OB does not end with OB.   Its shows a way for all future markets light and dark, centralized and decentralized of how bitUSD can work.  We dont have to ask permission to get it in.   For a $1000 bounty one of the OB developers will do it for us.

Plus the press around OB is valuable.  It would be nice to ride their PR coat tails.

Quote from: Stan on October 14, 2014, 10:00:43 PM

You might say we are focused on everything...  :)

One day I hope to meet everyone involved with this just to shake everyone's hands... somewhere far away...

Quote from: Rune on October 14, 2014, 08:42:53 PM
Shouldn't the current focus be on making the BTSX wallet work flawlessly, and getting online wallet/mobile wallet/cold wallet/POS support? I really hope this open bazaar debate is not going to take the focus off our current biggest issue, which is most definitely the wallet and usability situation.

I think I3 have their priorities right. They have stated numerous times that a flawless wallet and a "lite" user friendly wallet are their top priorities.

Quote from: bytemaster on October 14, 2014, 08:33:49 PM

Quote from: OldMan on October 14, 2014, 08:32:17 PM

Minimal resource input for I3 but maximum returns for the development kitty.

Working on something bigger.... and better for everyone.

This^

Quote from: bytemaster on October 14, 2014, 08:33:49 PM

Quote from: OldMan on October 14, 2014, 08:32:17 PM

Quote from: Troglodactyl on October 14, 2014, 12:26:57 PM

Quote from: bytemaster on October 14, 2014, 03:41:52 AM
I started this thread because I think Open Bazaar is not viable in its current form.    I think I have a more profitable, self-funding, design for achieving the same thing they are.... only better.

1) Users shouldn't have to keep their computers on to "serve" their ads.  That is a non-starter for the masses.
2) Users want auctions as well as fixed price sales / ads.   
3) Users want a solid filtering system for items.

So you implement a DAC that allows users to post ads, start auctions, and implement "buy it now" functionality.   The DAC would execute the auction and natively support a local BitUSD / other currencies.

Merchants looking to sell to this audience now have a central place to list their products and get paid in BitUSD....

Implemented properly this DAC would grow far faster than Open Bazaar.. especially with the marketing it could fund to bootstrap.

Not that I want to "compete with everyone out there"... but you have to do it right and Open Bazaar is missing some critical design points.

Last I heard we were short of developers, and OpenBazaar was working hard on their project with no idea how to make it profitable.

Rather than launching a competing project we don't have the time to support, I suggest showing them how to make their project profitable, why they should support bitUSD, and why they should honour PTS and AGS if they use the toolkit to support the profitability model.

This - why not offer to help them build a DAC if they agree to honour the social contract for AGS/PTS holders?

Utilize the OB dev team that is in place, supply high-level oversight from the I3 team.

Minimal resource input for I3 but maximum returns for the development kitty.

Win win for the whole world.

Working on something bigger.... and better for everyone.

Okay, well that works for me! Hope to hear more details in the near future.

Forget about OpenBazaar if it's going to take the focus off BTSX. Google dominated search before they even considered other products.

Quote from: bytemaster on October 14, 2014, 08:33:49 PM

Quote from: OldMan on October 14, 2014, 08:32:17 PM

Quote from: Troglodactyl on October 14, 2014, 12:26:57 PM

Quote from: bytemaster on October 14, 2014, 03:41:52 AM
I started this thread because I think Open Bazaar is not viable in its current form.    I think I have a more profitable, self-funding, design for achieving the same thing they are.... only better.

1) Users shouldn't have to keep their computers on to "serve" their ads.  That is a non-starter for the masses.
2) Users want auctions as well as fixed price sales / ads.   
3) Users want a solid filtering system for items.

So you implement a DAC that allows users to post ads, start auctions, and implement "buy it now" functionality.   The DAC would execute the auction and natively support a local BitUSD / other currencies.

Merchants looking to sell to this audience now have a central place to list their products and get paid in BitUSD....

Implemented properly this DAC would grow far faster than Open Bazaar.. especially with the marketing it could fund to bootstrap.

Not that I want to "compete with everyone out there"... but you have to do it right and Open Bazaar is missing some critical design points.

Last I heard we were short of developers, and OpenBazaar was working hard on their project with no idea how to make it profitable.

Rather than launching a competing project we don't have the time to support, I suggest showing them how to make their project profitable, why they should support bitUSD, and why they should honour PTS and AGS if they use the toolkit to support the profitability model.

This - why not offer to help them build a DAC if they agree to honour the social contract for AGS/PTS holders?

Utilize the OB dev team that is in place, supply high-level oversight from the I3 team.

Minimal resource input for I3 but maximum returns for the development kitty.

Win win for the whole world.

Working on something bigger.... and better for everyone.

Shouldn't the current focus be on making the BTSX wallet work flawlessly, and getting online wallet/mobile wallet/cold wallet/POS support? I really hope this open bazaar debate is not going to take the focus off our current biggest issue, which is most definitely the wallet and usability situation.

Quote from: bytemaster on October 14, 2014, 08:33:49 PM

Quote from: OldMan on October 14, 2014, 08:32:17 PM

Quote from: Troglodactyl on October 14, 2014, 12:26:57 PM

Quote from: bytemaster on October 14, 2014, 03:41:52 AM
I started this thread because I think Open Bazaar is not viable in its current form.    I think I have a more profitable, self-funding, design for achieving the same thing they are.... only better.

1) Users shouldn't have to keep their computers on to "serve" their ads.  That is a non-starter for the masses.
2) Users want auctions as well as fixed price sales / ads.   
3) Users want a solid filtering system for items.

So you implement a DAC that allows users to post ads, start auctions, and implement "buy it now" functionality.   The DAC would execute the auction and natively support a local BitUSD / other currencies.

Merchants looking to sell to this audience now have a central place to list their products and get paid in BitUSD....

Implemented properly this DAC would grow far faster than Open Bazaar.. especially with the marketing it could fund to bootstrap.

Not that I want to "compete with everyone out there"... but you have to do it right and Open Bazaar is missing some critical design points.

Last I heard we were short of developers, and OpenBazaar was working hard on their project with no idea how to make it profitable.

Rather than launching a competing project we don't have the time to support, I suggest showing them how to make their project profitable, why they should support bitUSD, and why they should honour PTS and AGS if they use the toolkit to support the profitability model.

This - why not offer to help them build a DAC if they agree to honour the social contract for AGS/PTS holders?

Utilize the OB dev team that is in place, supply high-level oversight from the I3 team.

Minimal resource input for I3 but maximum returns for the development kitty.

Win win for the whole world.

Working on something bigger.... and better for everyone.

Ha - you sound like me in the younger years. Go get em'.

Quote from: OldMan on October 14, 2014, 08:32:17 PM

Quote from: Troglodactyl on October 14, 2014, 12:26:57 PM

Quote from: bytemaster on October 14, 2014, 03:41:52 AM
I started this thread because I think Open Bazaar is not viable in its current form.    I think I have a more profitable, self-funding, design for achieving the same thing they are.... only better.

1) Users shouldn't have to keep their computers on to "serve" their ads.  That is a non-starter for the masses.
2) Users want auctions as well as fixed price sales / ads.   
3) Users want a solid filtering system for items.

So you implement a DAC that allows users to post ads, start auctions, and implement "buy it now" functionality.   The DAC would execute the auction and natively support a local BitUSD / other currencies.

Merchants looking to sell to this audience now have a central place to list their products and get paid in BitUSD....

Implemented properly this DAC would grow far faster than Open Bazaar.. especially with the marketing it could fund to bootstrap.

Not that I want to "compete with everyone out there"... but you have to do it right and Open Bazaar is missing some critical design points.

Last I heard we were short of developers, and OpenBazaar was working hard on their project with no idea how to make it profitable.

Rather than launching a competing project we don't have the time to support, I suggest showing them how to make their project profitable, why they should support bitUSD, and why they should honour PTS and AGS if they use the toolkit to support the profitability model.

This - why not offer to help them build a DAC if they agree to honour the social contract for AGS/PTS holders?

Utilize the OB dev team that is in place, supply high-level oversight from the I3 team.

Minimal resource input for I3 but maximum returns for the development kitty.

Win win for the whole world.

Working on something bigger.... and better for everyone.

Quote from: Troglodactyl on October 14, 2014, 12:26:57 PM

Quote from: bytemaster on October 14, 2014, 03:41:52 AM
I started this thread because I think Open Bazaar is not viable in its current form.    I think I have a more profitable, self-funding, design for achieving the same thing they are.... only better.

1) Users shouldn't have to keep their computers on to "serve" their ads.  That is a non-starter for the masses.
2) Users want auctions as well as fixed price sales / ads.   
3) Users want a solid filtering system for items.

So you implement a DAC that allows users to post ads, start auctions, and implement "buy it now" functionality.   The DAC would execute the auction and natively support a local BitUSD / other currencies.

Merchants looking to sell to this audience now have a central place to list their products and get paid in BitUSD....

Implemented properly this DAC would grow far faster than Open Bazaar.. especially with the marketing it could fund to bootstrap.

Not that I want to "compete with everyone out there"... but you have to do it right and Open Bazaar is missing some critical design points.

Last I heard we were short of developers, and OpenBazaar was working hard on their project with no idea how to make it profitable.

Rather than launching a competing project we don't have the time to support, I suggest showing them how to make their project profitable, why they should support bitUSD, and why they should honour PTS and AGS if they use the toolkit to support the profitability model.

This - why not offer to help them build a DAC if they agree to honour the social contract for AGS/PTS holders?

Utilize the OB dev team that is in place, leverage the existing market awareness and supply high-level oversight from the I3 team.

Minimal resource input for I3 but maximum returns for the development kitty.

Plus, if sucessful there is a perfect case-study on how the Bitshares can empower businesses.

Win win for the whole world.

Quote from: cass on October 14, 2014, 11:48:32 AM
BitShares Square
BitShares Plaza
BitShares Fair
BitShares Carnival
BitShares Jubilee
BitShares Tepee

Orbit by BitShares

Just thinking loud about possible names ^^

Marketplace
Agora
Galleria
Vend

Me like. Me like a lot. Me do not know enough people I3 make it. Me ask - Bitshares Open Bazar  idea or I3 know who build Bazar. Thanks.

Quote from: CoinHoarder on October 14, 2014, 06:21:39 AM
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I personally would not like anything like this in BTSX itself, not that I am against it but I think it may open up delegates to some type of government retribution. I know I personally would want to resign from being a delegate if we put it on the BTSX chain. That is why I prefer this being a completely separate entity a la Open Bazaar or a separate DAC.

A bitshare auction/market dac is nice.  But we do need to watch out for users who would like to turn it into a silk-road dac.  Let's keep a good distance away from the FBI and the like.

Quote from: bytemaster on October 14, 2014, 03:41:52 AM
I started this thread because I think Open Bazaar is not viable in its current form.    I think I have a more profitable, self-funding, design for achieving the same thing they are.... only better.

1) Users shouldn't have to keep their computers on to "serve" their ads.  That is a non-starter for the masses.
2) Users want auctions as well as fixed price sales / ads.   
3) Users want a solid filtering system for items.

So you implement a DAC that allows users to post ads, start auctions, and implement "buy it now" functionality.   The DAC would execute the auction and natively support a local BitUSD / other currencies.

Merchants looking to sell to this audience now have a central place to list their products and get paid in BitUSD....

Implemented properly this DAC would grow far faster than Open Bazaar.. especially with the marketing it could fund to bootstrap.

Not that I want to "compete with everyone out there"... but you have to do it right and Open Bazaar is missing some critical design points.

Last I heard we were short of developers, and OpenBazaar was working hard on their project with no idea how to make it profitable.

Rather than launching a competing project we don't have the time to support, I suggest showing them how to make their project profitable, why they should support bitUSD, and why they should honour PTS and AGS if they use the toolkit to support the profitability model.

Quote from: xeroc on October 14, 2014, 11:52:56 AM
you forgot the obvious:
BitShares Bazaar
BitBazaar :)

yup but i don't want to steel from OB ;)