So far the Aye's have it...  8)

I just think it's only sensible, at this time, that we are fully prepared for whatever terrain we must cross.  A community consultant of this nature would not be mutually exclusive with individual delegates securing their own council, but it would act as a resource to those who would come along afterwards, into what is a not so well defined space at this time.

I can't say I think this will be needed indefinitely, but I think at this stage tis wise.

Thanks for all you do fuzzy!

Quote from: Ben Mason on January 03, 2015, 02:55:20 PM
Fantastic, couldn't agree more.....voted Aye!  +5%

Fantastic, couldn't agree more.....voted Aye!  +5%

Well deserved and excellent initiative! Love it.

The blockchain is preemptively protecting itself, a great display of a Distributed Autonomous Creature :)

Happy 2015!

Quote from: Riverhead on January 02, 2015, 06:04:25 AM
While it is good that we stir up a conversation about how/why a delegate should or should not be, and at what percentage, we have 11 init00 delegates still running. Until such a time as these are replaced by real delegates I'd be open to being a bit more accepting of those with a pitch.

I like the idea of a legal fund in general and trust Fuzzy completely (even though we differ on some core political ideologies). While the previous post stating that we have a ways to go before we are on anyone's radar is valid I don't see a reason to oppose this while their exist init00 delegates.

With the majority of human(ish) delegates still at 3% there is still plenty of margin for 100% delegates before we become "inflationary".

Keep in mind also there is a theoretical hard cap at around 3.7BB BTS even if we have 101 100% delegates.

Most importantly, how can I get my chicken hat?

Edits: grammar, readability.

It's in the mail.  And you will never take my weapon--how do you think we make the chicken hats?

While it is good that we stir up a conversation about how/why a delegate should or should not be, and at what percentage, we have 11 init00 delegates still running. Until such a time as these are replaced by real delegates I'd be open to being a bit more accepting of those with a pitch.

I like the idea of a legal fund in general and trust Fuzzy completely (even though we differ on some core political ideologies). While the previous post stating that we have a ways to go before we are on anyone's radar is valid I don't see a reason to oppose this while init00 delegates exist.

With the majority of human(ish) delegates still at 3% there is still plenty of margin for 100% delegates before we become "inflationary".

Keep in mind also there is a theoretical hard cap at around 3.7BB BTS even if we have 101 100% delegates.

Most importantly, how can I get my chicken hat?

Edits: grammar, readability.

Quote from: fuzzy on January 02, 2015, 05:42:36 AM

Quote from: eagleeye on January 02, 2015, 02:26:40 AM
Im more inclined for Fuzzy to be a delegate that can spend money as he sees fit rather than being a delegate tied to a mandate of setting aside money for a legal dac.

Fuzzy, if you want to be a delegate, just set one up and lobby you can spend money as you see fit, at least you will spend money on projects, rather than not spending money.

Oh....if that is the case:

Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner!

Quote from: eagleeye on January 02, 2015, 02:26:40 AM
Im more inclined for Fuzzy to be a delegate that can spend money as he sees fit rather than being a delegate tied to a mandate of setting aside money for a legal dac.

Fuzzy, if you want to be a delegate, just set one up and lobby you can spend money as you see fit, at least you will spend money on projects, rather than not spending money.

Oh....if that is the case:

Im more inclined for Fuzzy to be a delegate that can spend money as he sees fit rather than being a delegate tied to a mandate of setting aside money for a legal dac.

Fuzzy, if you want to be a delegate, just set one up and lobby you can spend money as you see fit, at least you will spend money on projects, rather than not spending money.

Quote from: onceuponatime on January 01, 2015, 08:59:55 PM

Quote from: fuzzy on January 01, 2015, 08:20:58 PM

Quote from: RenaudGagne on January 01, 2015, 07:30:48 PM
"Invincibility lies in the defense" - The Art of War

My point, precisely.  Of course that is if we really mean what we say when we act like we want to truly change a paradigm to give the power back to each other. If we just want to get rich and "freedom and liberty for all" is just a marketing pitch, then I guess this becomes a different conversation. 

I am receiving quite a bit of negative feedback in other places so I am going to open up a poll for it here on the forums.   

It is up to you guys if I do this now.   

I have added a Poll Above, Please Vote on it to give your opinion.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2951.msg39327#msg39327

"I'm betting that bitshares will be successful enough to afford lots of justice."

This^
But I understand the OP. 

Don't forget we have Ron Paul Money coming along too.  Perfect place to setup delegates for our future legal team and the community that grows around them to help.

IMO a bit early to worry about this.  We can save up a pool of money to be spent .. but then there are so many more things to put our efforts into.  We need a variety of delegates before we need a legal defense delegate.

I'm not against the idea in general but the devil is in the details.

Quote from: fuzzy on January 01, 2015, 08:20:58 PM

Quote from: RenaudGagne on January 01, 2015, 07:30:48 PM
"Invincibility lies in the defense" - The Art of War

My point, precisely.  Of course that is if we really mean what we say when we act like we want to truly change a paradigm to give the power back to each other. If we just want to get rich and "freedom and liberty for all" is just a marketing pitch, then I guess this becomes a different conversation. 

I am receiving quite a bit of negative feedback in other places so I am going to open up a poll for it here on the forums.   

It is up to you guys if I do this now.   

I have added a Poll Above, Please Vote on it to give your opinion.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2951.msg39327#msg39327

"I'm betting that bitshares will be successful enough to afford lots of justice."

Quote from: RenaudGagne on January 01, 2015, 07:30:48 PM
"Invincibility lies in the defense" - The Art of War

My point, precisely.  Of course that is if we really mean what we say when we act like we want to truly change a paradigm to give the power back to each other. If we just want to get rich and "freedom and liberty for all" is just a marketing pitch, then I guess this becomes a different conversation. 

I am receiving quite a bit of negative feedback in other places so I am going to open up a poll for it here on the forums.   

It is up to you guys if I do this now.   

I have added a Poll Above, Please Vote on it to give your opinion.

"Invincibility lies in the defense" - The Art of War

Quote from: matt608 on January 01, 2015, 04:14:45 PM
BM said theres 67million BTS held which can be used for legal stuff, do we need more? 

I'm currently neutral on this and will need convincing that we need more legal funds before voting for this.

I am pretty sure that these funds are not specifically held for legal fees for individuals within the community.  Rather, I believe they are held to help cover mistakes that may have been made in the lead up and launch of bitshares.  For instance AGS funding, would be useful for this...but someone who makes their own User Issued Asset likely will not have access to them if his/her government comes at them at the behest of a local banking cartel. 

This is just my understanding, but even at that we need ongoing funding and although 67 Million seems like a lot, it certainly isn't going to be enough for years and years of litigation.  For that we need at least one delegate (I think we need more) that constantly pools these funds for future use.

i will vote for you.thanks for your great work.