[ANN] Moonstone.io development and crowdfunder diary

[bitsapphire]

You don't need to do that - you can just type in your bitshares account name (on metaexchange.info), pay with BTC and the MOONFUND will be sent directly to your bitshares account.

Thanks for that. It is really simple as it should be.
This makes me wonder why this straightforward approach has not been used on moonstone.io. Why all this hassle with creating and downloading a json file and then importing it into a wallet if the same result can be accomplished in one simple metaexchange transaction?
Unless I'm missing something.

You miss that people may want to join funding that DO NOT have an account yet ..

Btw .. moonstine.io uses metaexchange for this internally

That's a good point.
So on their webpage they should say: "If you already have a BitShares account go to metaexchange where you can buy our tokens with BTC. If you don't - proceed to our crowdfunding gateway and you will be able to import the downloaded the json file into our new wallet once it is released."
(Please note that I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to help them raise the funds.)

Thank you for your suggestion, Jakub.
We added this information on https://moonstone.io/

[jakub]

You don't need to do that - you can just type in your bitshares account name (on metaexchange.info), pay with BTC and the MOONFUND will be sent directly to your bitshares account.

Thanks for that. It is really simple as it should be.
This makes me wonder why this straightforward approach has not been used on moonstone.io. Why all this hassle with creating and downloading a json file and then importing it into a wallet if the same result can be accomplished in one simple metaexchange transaction?
Unless I'm missing something.

You miss that people may want to join funding that DO NOT have an account yet ..

Btw .. moonstine.io uses metaexchange for this internally

That's a good point.
So on their webpage they should say: "If you already have a BitShares account go to metaexchange where you can buy our tokens with BTC. If you don't - proceed to our crowdfunding gateway and you will be able to import the downloaded the json file into our new wallet once it is released."
(Please note that I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to help them raise the funds.)

[xeroc]

You don't need to do that - you can just type in your bitshares account name (on metaexchange.info), pay with BTC and the MOONFUND will be sent directly to your bitshares account.

Thanks for that. It is really simple as it should be.
This makes me wonder why this straightforward approach has not been used on moonstone.io. Why all this hassle with creating and downloading a json file and then importing it into a wallet if the same result can be accomplished in one simple metaexchange transaction?
Unless I'm missing something.

You miss that people may want to join funding that DO NOT have an account yet ..

Btw .. moonstine.io uses metaexchange for this internally

[jakub]

You don't need to do that - you can just type in your bitshares account name (on metaexchange.info), pay with BTC and the MOONFUND will be sent directly to your bitshares account.

Thanks for that. It is really simple as it should be.
This makes me wonder why this straightforward approach has not been used on moonstone.io. Why all this hassle with creating and downloading a json file and then importing it into a wallet if the same result can be accomplished in one simple metaexchange transaction?
Unless I'm missing something.

[monsterer]

I chose metaexchange and I didn't understand why I needed to create a new wallet on the moonstone.io site just to donate.

You don't need to do that - you can just type in your bitshares account name (on metaexchange.info), pay with BTC and the MOONFUND will be sent directly to your bitshares account.

[maverica]

I also can't find a way to donate in bts.

the moonstone team is accepting donations in bts through the internal exchange. Just buy moonfund from them:
https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/orderbook?asset=MOONFUND

 

[maqifrnswa]

I also can't find a way to donate in bts.

the moonstone team is accepting donations in bts through the internal exchange. Just buy moonfund from them:
https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/orderbook?asset=MOONFUND

[Permie]

Thanks for the explanation, it seems clear now.
You should definitely add this information to your FAQ (or maybe even directly in Step 2 in your crowdfunding process) because otherwise people might feel confused. In my case I was about to donate but this information gap stopped me from doing so because I felt unsure what was going to happen.

I also can't find a way to donate in bts.
I've been using metaexchange.info to donate but they only swap btc/moonfund and not bts/moonfund.
I chose metaexchange and I didn't understand why I needed to create a new wallet on the moonstone.io site just to donate.
One great feature of BitShares is the ability to send to an account name with stealth addresses. Why can't I use the bts client to send bts to 'moonstone.funder' (example) and 10 seconds later receive my Moondfund UIA's back to the account that sent the transaction?

I think Moonstone is a key feature that BitShares needs but I don't think the crowdfunder process as it is now is intuitive enough to capture the 2 second attention span of potential donors

[jakub]

The downloaded JSON file is a wallet on its own. You can import it to your favorite client and the MOONFUNDS will be available to you through that wallet. You can either transfer these assets to your main account or keep them there.

Thanks for the explanation, it seems clear now.
You should definitely add this information to your FAQ (or maybe even directly in Step 2 in your crowdfunding process) because otherwise people might feel confused. In my case I was about to donate but this information gap stopped me from doing so because I felt unsure what was going to happen.

[maverica]

@jakub

The downloaded JSON file is a wallet on its own. You can import it to your favorite client and the MOONFUNDS will be available to you through that wallet. You can either transfer these assets to your main account or keep them there. Depending on how are we doing time-wise we might get a mini-guide on how to access Moonfunds out there. Thanks for the idea its a good one!

As for the RPC client layer, we have created a few algorithms that will bring real time updated wallet to the masses. We have brought the design and user interface to a whole new level. We are also planning to integrate other coins and possible exchanges, thus creating a one-stop wallet and increasing liquidity among crypto world. On the second version we will bring forward identities manager which is in a sense verified accounts thus bringing more trust to the crypto-sphere and allowing entities to trade within each other. For all of our plans to work we need a custom layer between the actual blockchain and web implementation. There is a blockchain-web gap that needs to become smaller and we are working on it .

-Dite from Bitsapphire

[jakub]

@bitsapphire
As I understand the Moonstone wallet is a light wallet holding the user's private key whereas the entire blockchain is stored on the server. In your public announcements you have mentioned that your team had to dive deep into the BitShares source code, understand how it works and then create a customized RPC layer on top on the BitShares client so that your web wallet can talk to it.
My question is this: how is your RPC solution different from the one used by the official web client? (i.e the one available here https://wallet.bitshares.org). Why did you choose to create your own RPC layer instead of using the solution BitShares devs must have used to create the "official" light wallet?

[jakub]

I appreciate the moonstone project a lot and I'm willing to donate.
Here is my feedback regarding the crowdfunding process:

1. It would be good if you placed this valuable link https://marvelapp.com/a31d7h#3555223 in a more exposed place - in my opinion this link is much more informative than the product demo in the form of a mute YouTube video.

2. When I am trying to donate I am asked to supply a password, a new wallet is created and I'm instructed to download it and keep to safe but there is no explicit guide how to use the new wallet. I guess I could figure it out on my own but it would be much better if I didn't have to. What is badly needed is a step by step guide what to do with the new wallet apart from keeping it safe, i.e. how to access the downloaded wallet and see the purchased Moonstone Tokes.

3. Currently the donation mechanism is not working - when I try to donate I get stuck with the message "Loading Bitcoin address" and nothing happens.

Thank you for your feedback!

1. For the first suggestion, yes, we could do that! But we are going to release the Demo version of the Moonstone Wallet next week, and that will replace the Marvelapp.
2. After we release the demo version, you will be able to use it, test it, and “play” around with it. As for the “step by step guide”, I don’t think that would be necessary( unless the community wants for it be implemented - after they have used the Moonstone Wallet demo firsthand)
3. We tested the “Donate” button and it’s working fine! If you could take a screenshot of the problem, and send it to us, we would more than appreciate it!

Hopefully we could be of any help to you!

ad 2. What I meant is this: What am I supposed to do with the downloaded json file (apart from keeping it safe)? Do I import it to my existing BitShares wallet or the new Moonstone wallet once it is released? I've read all the FAQs but still this part of the crowdfunding process is not clear to me.

ad 3. For me it works fine in Chrome but still fails in Firefox (version 37.0.2 on Windows 7). I complete step 1 and after typing and retyping the password I move to step 2 and then get stuck without being able to see the BTC address for donation. Restarting the browser and clearing cache does not help.

The screenshot is here:

[bitsapphire]

I appreciate the moonstone project a lot and I'm willing to donate.
Here is my feedback regarding the crowdfunding process:

1. It would be good if you placed this valuable link https://marvelapp.com/a31d7h#3555223 in a more exposed place - in my opinion this link is much more informative than the product demo in the form of a mute YouTube video.

2. When I am trying to donate I am asked to supply a password, a new wallet is created and I'm instructed to download it and keep to safe but there is no explicit guide how to use the new wallet. I guess I could figure it out on my own but it would be much better if I didn't have to. What is badly needed is a step by step guide what to do with the new wallet apart from keeping it safe, i.e. how to access the downloaded wallet and see the purchased Moonstone Tokes.

3. Currently the donation mechanism is not working - when I try to donate I get stuck with the message "Loading Bitcoin address" and nothing happens.

Thank you for your feedback!

1. For the first suggestion, yes, we could do that! But we are going to release the Demo version of the Moonstone Wallet next week, and that will replace the Marvelapp.
2. After we release the demo version, you will be able to use it, test it, and “play” around with it. As for the “step by step guide”, I don’t think that would be necessary( unless the community wants for it be implemented - after they have used the Moonstone Wallet demo firsthand)
3. We tested the “Donate” button and it’s working fine! If you could take a screenshot of the problem, and send it to us, we would more than appreciate it!

Hopefully we could be of any help to you!

[jakub]

I appreciate the moonstone project a lot and I'm willing to donate.
Here is my feedback regarding the crowdfunding process:

1. It would be good if you placed this valuable link https://marvelapp.com/a31d7h#3555223 in a more exposed place - in my opinion this link is much more informative than the product demo in the form of a mute YouTube video.

2. When I am trying to donate I am asked to supply a password, a new wallet is created and I'm instructed to download it and keep to safe but there is no explicit guide how to use the new wallet. I guess I could figure it out on my own but it would be much better if I didn't have to. What is badly needed is a step by step guide what to do with the new wallet apart from keeping it safe, i.e. how to access the downloaded wallet and see the purchased Moonstone Tokes.

3. Currently the donation mechanism is not working - when I try to donate I get stuck with the message "Loading Bitcoin address" and nothing happens.

[bitsapphire]

Hello there!

In this Youtube video we have answered most of the questions you have about the Moonstone wallet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhyyZmiNPn4
You can also listen to it at Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/bitsapphire/sound

For any other questions related to the Moonstone wallet, you can ask them here: https://moonstone.io/faq.php#contact and we will answer them as soon as possible!