Cleartracks, anyone see it?

[donkeypong]

I have no problem with his ideas of building out the infrastructure. More volume and revenue is a good thing for the system. Pretty soon, anyone can plug in a different wallet or browser, etc., once other apps follow, so you won't be reliant on that one if you don't like what he's doing. But I do hope that we soon get to a point where there is a core product that everyone feels is good enough to sell. And yes, I'm a bit sorry that we don't focus on getting that perfected before getting distracted with other things, but I think ("hope", because WTF do I know?) that progress is occurring on both fronts.

[tonyk]

I'll have none of your semantics!  What I want is real answers to the questions I posed. We need to think about how to advertise this.

Why would you want to advertise it, while the owner himself thinks it is better to buy casinos, build crypto AdSense and what not?

Does he believe in the product enough? Why do you believe in his product more than he does?

[donkeypong]

I'll have none of your semantics!  What I want is real answers to the questions I posed. We need to think about how to advertise this.

[tonyk]

If I had money to throw at ads, I would definitely be putting ads on reddit for a decentralized exchange on reddit.

I would buy a casino, and build my own ad  network... this way every advertising dollar I put out will come right back to me... each dollar can be spun several times through the ad network and then spun on the machines.

The other thing is aMUSEing as it is,  it need not to be rushed any where, before business model is somewhat defined.

 Basically, the reason to run an ad is if you believe your product/service is built well to make money. You advertise it to bring in people/users/customers and that raises your revenue. My point is that if we believe in our product, every one of us you should be advertising it. There are two reasons not to do so: (1) If we believe it's "not quite there yet", so we're waiting for something to change, or (2) If we lack proper incentives to buy such ads on our own dime.

Exactly!



PS
Sorry, donkey it was more or less of trap. Did not expect you exactly running into it.

[donkeypong]

I would buy a casino, and build my own ad  network... this way every advertising dollar I put out will come right back to me... each dollar can be spun several times through the ad network and then spun on the machines.

The other thing is aMUSEing as it is,  it need not to be rushed any where, before business model is somewhat defined.

Our product should be no different than a casino as far as its business potential. Basically, the reason to run an ad is if you believe your product/service is built well to make money. You advertise it to bring in people/users/customers (or, in the case of a casino, suckers) and that raises your revenue. My point is that if we believe in our product, every one of us should be advertising it. There are two reasons not to do so: (1) If we believe it's "not quite there yet", so we're waiting for something to change, or (2) If we lack proper incentives to buy such ads on our own dime.

I think this is an important analysis. If the answer is (1), then what are you waiting for? A few more GUI tweaks? If the answer is (2), then what could we do to share the cost of ads, to the point where it makes financial sense for us to spend money on advertising with the promise of making more from (a) referral income, (b) appreciation in the BitShares market cap price, or (c) a combination of both? Is the referral income inadequate for this?

If it makes more sense to split ads or have a cooperative get funded (UIA/IOU?) , run ads, and distribute the referral income, then let's think about doing this.

[38PTSWarrior]

Let's do it big. One big ad! Or many small ones, I don't care but ads are important. To wait until one person makes one with his own money is wasted time. Maybe not but I like ads. JonnyBitcoin also thinks that and he is a smart man.

[fuzzy]

What could Peertracks possibly be advertising atm? People would find it cool, check it out, "oh it's not ready, i'll come back later" and forget about it...

Only business that could be advertising atm is OpenLedger.

you dont advertise a product....

you advertise the dream of changing the world.  case in point: Ethereum.  vaporware until the rest of the cool kids jump onboard...and make it real.


Advertising has a close relative called "managing expectations".  We could be advertising ALL KINDS of things:
1) Help Us Build a More p2p Future!
2) Support Cancer Donations! Donate and BitShares will match it up to $100,000 Dollars!
and really i could probably do this all night....

We need to stop thinking so safe. We NEED to take risks or watch ourselves ecosystem stagnate as others grow because they took risks...and amidst the sea of failures, a few sparks ignite to make them go viral. 

[Akado]

If I had money to throw at ads, I would definitely be putting ads on reddit for a decentralized exchange on reddit.

I would buy a casino, and build my own ad  network... this way every advertising dollar I put out will come right back to me... each dollar can be spun several times through the ad network and then spun on the machines.

The other thing is aMUSEing as it is,  it need not to be rushed any where, before business model is somewhat defined.

OBITS owns part of an online casino so we could actually do this.

edit_ maybe "owns" is not he best word.. entitles you to a cut of the casino's profits

[luckybit]

What could Peertracks possibly be advertising atm? People would find it cool, check it out, "oh it's not ready, i'll come back later" and forget about it...

Only business that could be advertising atm is OpenLedger.

And Metaexchange, and Sharebits. What about ads for important Mumble hangouts?

It's a matter of funding? We can't get worker proposals for ads? They can't set aside some crowd funding revenue for ads? It's necessary at some point to do it, even if the community has to pool money for it.

[tonyk]

If I had money to throw at ads, I would definitely be putting ads on reddit for a decentralized exchange on reddit.

I would buy a casino, and build my own ad  network... this way every advertising dollar I put out will come right back to me... each dollar can be spun several times through the ad network and then spun on the machines.

The other thing is aMUSEing as it is,  it need not to be rushed any where, before business model is somewhat defined.

[Akado]

What could Peertracks possibly be advertising atm? People would find it cool, check it out, "oh it's not ready, i'll come back later" and forget about it...

Only business that could be advertising atm is OpenLedger.

[rgcrypto]

If I had money to throw at ads, I would definitely be putting ads on reddit for a decentralized exchange on reddit.

[fuzzy]

https://www.cleartracks.com/cleartracks/insidetracks/23/cleartracks-now-accepting-bitcoin-at-checkout

There are ads for it on Reddit. It's not Peertracks but remarkable in how it's being marketed while Peertracks doesn't seem to have any Reddit ads.

When will we see OpenLeger, Bitshares or similar Reddit ads? If OpenLedger is a decentralized exchange where are the ads?

nice find...and good questions.  ads would, imho, be one of the best things we could be doing right now...and funneling them into our forums to start working on this with us.

[luckybit]

https://www.cleartracks.com/cleartracks/insidetracks/23/cleartracks-now-accepting-bitcoin-at-checkout

There are ads for it on Reddit. It's not Peertracks but remarkable in how it's being marketed while Peertracks doesn't seem to have any Reddit ads.

When will we see OpenLeger, Bitshares or similar Reddit ads? If OpenLedger is a decentralized exchange where are the ads?