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Proxy:baozi - proxy for anti-dilution
« on: February 04, 2016, 01:16:10 am »
setup proxy to baozi if you are anti-dilution

this account will against all dilution workers without reason,
so please remove this proxy if you feel it's time to dilution to support those workers.
and don't try to persuade this account change the votes,
you should persuade those persons who set this account as proxy.

如果你反对增发稀释,请把 baozi 设置为投票代理

这个帐号会无条件反对所有稀释的 worker
如果你觉得是合适的时候使用增发支持 worker了,请停用这个代理
另外请不要试图说服这个帐号改变投票,试着去说服那些把这个帐号设为代理的人。
« Last Edit: February 04, 2016, 01:18:57 am by alt »

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Re: Proxy:baozi - proxy for anti-dilution
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2016, 10:40:30 am »
I highly recommend that people who are voting for this proxy should think again what they are doing.

Bitshares isn't just another pump'n'dump currency but a DAC. This means we are a company that is creating services and products for paying customers.

Currently baozi is voting against every worker proposal except refund and burn workers. This is basically same thing as voting for destruction of Bitshares. Without any development we are pretty much unable to serve our customers. Without customers we can't be a succesful company and make money.

For example xeroc's worker proposals are highly valuable for DAC because they enable other businesses to build on Bitshares blockchain. By voting against these proposals, you are voting for restraining other businesses and developers using Bitshares. Is that really what you want?

Also the whole antidilution talk is misleading. There is no dilution anymore in Bitshares. The quantity of BTS is hardcapped to 3.7 billion. If you want to grow the portion of BTS that is in the reserve pool, it is much better choice to try to get more paying customers rather than deny a salary for a worker. It is true that not paying a salary for a employee is a way to save money for a company, but it is also highly risky way of action because it is very hard for a company to become succesful and make lots of money without any employees.

So I think you have misunderstood the concept of DAC. If you don't like the current model that we have now (no dilution, reserve pool) you should suggest a better model rather than bluntly hamper the development of Bitshares. Voting for baozi is not helping anybody, on the contrary it is a way to decrease the value of BTS which will harm all of us.

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Re: Proxy:baozi - proxy for anti-dilution
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2016, 08:02:12 am »
[member=32828]Samupaha[/member]
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Currently baozi is voting against every worker proposal except refund and burn workers. This is basically same thing as voting for destruction of Bitshares.


This is not against all proposals, but to raise the threshold for the budget.
As there is still some high ticket through the proposal (#1 and #2 below), which is a way to filter highly valuable worker proposal.


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Re: Proxy:baozi - proxy for anti-dilution
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2018, 02:25:57 pm »
So you would rather have barely any development on the official, and other frontends, as well as stop some RPCs and nodes. Do you not think bitshares-org, bitshares-ui, spokesperson, rossul-ui, hackthedex, infrastructure are important? To those who proxy to baozi please think about these workers.
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Re: Proxy:baozi - proxy for anti-dilution
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2018, 10:40:26 pm »
I highly recommend that people who are voting for this proxy should think again what they are doing.

Bitshares isn't just another pump'n'dump currency but a DAC. This means we are a company that is creating services and products for paying customers.

Currently baozi is voting against every worker proposal except refund and burn workers. This is basically same thing as voting for destruction of Bitshares. Without any development we are pretty much unable to serve our customers. Without customers we can't be a succesful company and make money.

For example xeroc's worker proposals are highly valuable for DAC because they enable other businesses to build on Bitshares blockchain. By voting against these proposals, you are voting for restraining other businesses and developers using Bitshares. Is that really what you want?

Also the whole antidilution talk is misleading. There is no dilution anymore in Bitshares. The quantity of BTS is hardcapped to 3.7 billion. If you want to grow the portion of BTS that is in the reserve pool, it is much better choice to try to get more paying customers rather than deny a salary for a worker. It is true that not paying a salary for a employee is a way to save money for a company, but it is also highly risky way of action because it is very hard for a company to become succesful and make lots of money without any employees.

So I think you have misunderstood the concept of DAC. If you don't like the current model that we have now (no dilution, reserve pool) you should suggest a better model rather than bluntly hamper the development of Bitshares. Voting for baozi is not helping anybody, on the contrary it is a way to decrease the value of BTS which will harm all of us.

I totally agree with you. This seems to be the same sentiment returning as we saw in the last bear market of 2015 and 2016. It severely hurt our progress. Now that we have solid dev teams for core and UI here comes alt and boazi to HALT ALL workers under the guise of "anti-dilution".

There is no dilution going on here. The amount of BTS is fixed, set in stone.

It is crazy to push for this and I sincerely hope proxies join together to defeat this wave of ANTI-PROGRESS.
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Re: Proxy:baozi - proxy for anti-dilution
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2018, 07:09:01 am »
don't worry, I have supported some workers
but I will not support too many workers or witness because most of them are still very unresponsible.
most of them got support only because that they have good friendship with some proxy.

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Re: Proxy:baozi - proxy for anti-dilution
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2018, 08:10:55 am »
don't worry, I have supported some workers
but I will not support too many workers or witness because most of them are still very unresponsible.

How are workers unresponsible when you can ping them on Telegram, you get answers
here in the forums, on github and elsewhere?

most of them got support only because that they have good friendship with some proxy.

So you are saying because I do my background research and get to know the people I vote (and vouch) for,
They don't get your votes despite them delivering on *their* promises?
Not sure about everyone else, but that doesn't sound about right to me.

How about we set up a workers group (mailing list, telegram, whatever) so you get to know those workers
better and can judge on *their performance* instead of their connection to me?
« Last Edit: December 19, 2018, 08:19:18 am by xeroc »
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Re: Proxy:baozi - proxy for anti-dilution
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2018, 08:29:39 am »
don't worry, I have supported some workers
but I will not support too many workers or witness because most of them are still very unresponsible.

How are workers unresponsible when you can ping them on Telegram, you get answers
here in the forums, on github and elsewhere?

most of them got support only because that they have good friendship with some proxy.

So you are saying because I do my background research and get to know the people I vote (and vouch) for,
They don't get your votes despite them delivering on *their* promises?
Not sure about everyone else, but that doesn't sound about right to me.

How about we set up a workers group (mailing list, telegram, whatever) so you get to know those workers
better and can judge on *their performance* instead of their connection to me?

Connected with you @xeroc or not connected (completely unreasonable being disconnected from someone of that knowledge on BitShares in technical sense), I've pissed blood and shit babies to get workers that I'm managing now, even for over 8 months - FREE before I actually got a worker!

- Infrastructure worker is 0 management fee. There is over 90% average uptime on all nodes and reduced costs from 3500 USD to ~1600 USD.
- Trusty worker - fuck all, I logged maybe in total 2000 USD for managing entire new DEX - NOW thanks to you Alt/Baozi it's voted out. 7 hard working people are out of income, only one they have and they don't deserve to lose it.
- Bitshares.org worker - pffff don't wanna go there. Off for nearly 10 days thanks to your first refund400k.

Luckily BBF is really good acting as escrow, so all of my workers, and most of other workers can still have enough funds to claim this last month of a year.

What are you trying to prove here ? That you can molest good people because you have cash ? WOW! And I thought we should represent as ecosystem on dpos blockchain EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.

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Re: Proxy:baozi - proxy for anti-dilution
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2018, 06:37:04 pm »
Don't vote against worker proposals blindly, spending on WPs during downtrends ensures we're productive whilst others are stagnant, by cutting off worker proposals you intentionally stagnate Bitshares.

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Re: Proxy:baozi - proxy for anti-dilution
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2018, 07:00:14 pm »
Anti-dilution will help increase BTS price, support! It's good for all of you who are holding BTS, I don't understand why you are against alt

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Re: Proxy:baozi - proxy for anti-dilution
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2018, 08:12:41 pm »
DO NOT vote for this proxy. He is waging war because he is bored and has the funds to do so.

All of this propaganda sounds exactly like Trump in the US right now. Throwing out inaccurate statements and “facts” acting like people don’t do research themselves.

Anyone voting for this crybaby does not do their own research.
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Re: Proxy:baozi - proxy for anti-dilution
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2018, 10:59:36 am »
Anti-dilution will help increase BTS price, support! It's good for all of you who are holding BTS, I don't understand why you are against alt

The reason some say not to vote for this proxy is because that it has today 139,535,652 proxied votes, which makes this the most powerful proxy of the community. It votes for both refund400k and refund100k making a lot of projects not getting funded, some that has greatly helped to advance the community during the past year. This does nothing good for the community. If any time is important to spend and support development it's during down trends, when the support may otherwise be lost and users go elsewhere.

Just like Customminer writes....
 
Don't vote against worker proposals blindly, spending on WPs during downtrends ensures we're productive whilst others are stagnant, by cutting off worker proposals you intentionally stagnate Bitshares.

Anyone is free to vote for whatever reason they may have, I'm not against that. But delegating votes blindly to proxies is foolish. Those that support this proxy doesn't undertand how it hurts the development and progress of the community.

Of course, development is always happening, even if the community doesn't spend money or support them, but progress like this is usually neither fast nor coherent. Supporting developers is one good way to ensure quicker and coherent progress.
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Re: Proxy:baozi - proxy for anti-dilution
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2018, 12:26:25 pm »
Anti-dilution will help increase BTS price, support! It's good for all of you who are holding BTS, I don't understand why you are against alt
Dont be so naive. "Anti-dilution" might make sense if development didnt come to a stop and public nodes werent shut down but it will and they will be.

If this proxy really cared about BTS price then tell me... What is it doing to support price? Why are there no bids to revive bitUSD? One of BitShares prized assets. Surely the revival of this asset and re enabling of the borrowing function would have a positive impact on price?

If price of BTS is the issue here, which it must be, then why are we not talking of ways to add value to BitShares. Instead this proxy aims to cut off BitShares arms and legs.

This is sabotage and nothing more, they are not interested in doing anything good

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Re: Proxy:baozi - proxy for anti-dilution
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2018, 12:55:32 pm »
thread is older than the internet, why did you guys revive it anyways?
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Re: Proxy:baozi - proxy for anti-dilution
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2018, 12:56:27 pm »
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The reason some say not to vote for this proxy is because that it has today 139,535,652 proxied votes, which makes this the most powerful proxy of the community. It votes for both refund400k and refund100k making a lot of projects not getting funded

Not only alt is voting for refund 400k but many other major proxies like

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