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Re: Why are you still here???
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2016, 04:39:30 am »

Speaking about these things.. I saw a transcript for a hangout on Steemit and I believe it was where BM claimed he only worked on Steem because it didn't compete with Bitshares.  Then he turns around and tries to get all the users of this forum which is probably Bitshares' best asset at the moment to abandon it and chase his latest pipe dream.  And it isn't like Steemit will be labeled "Bitshares".  No, Bitshares would be relegated to a sub-forum ! 

Looking out in Bitshares interest as usual. sigh

It appears that the best potential way for people to get funding to work on BitShares is now by posting about their plans and progress at steemit.com. There they can be upvoted and will be PAID, based on community assessment of the value of the post and at zero cost to the community, to carry out such development.

Also, this Forum is not under the control of the BitShares Community but under the control  of BitSapphire who have been extremely unresponsive to suggestions and requests. And posts on this Forum are curated  by individual Moderators rather than by the Community as a whole through voting.

I am amazed that you have not seen this. Sigh.

Bitsapphire keeps this site up and running. It may not take much but they do that much and this site is quite effective at communicating even if it doesn't  have a dozen social media hooks of questionable value.

 This forum is also largely uncensored AFAIK. Steemit has a down arrow. Why do I wish to post there? 

The whole vesting thing comes across as scammy to me even if you can rationalize how incentives are aligned or what have you. I love how steemit has a big market cap but the daily volume is relatively peanuts. 

We all see different things.  If you want to continue believing in people, feel free. I'll feel free to give my honest assessment and nothing more but that'd never work on steemit given my unpopular views.

It is obvious Bytemaster has a team that has stuck with him and users who have too. Good luck with whatever. Obviously they see a different side of things. I just don't want to see Steemit poach BitShares users which is exactly what is going on.

It really comes down to you having faith because you believe they do what they say they'll do. I've had lots of experiences otherwise. The concept of crypto-anarchy etc ONLY works if you stand up for what you feel is true.

We just need some system of being able to know they'll do what they'll say beyond the words of a Larimer.

When steemit removes the downvote from the protocol then I will consider changing my opinion.

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Re: Why are you still here???
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2016, 04:40:46 am »
No shit

wot the fawk!

BM builds you a new forum that pays you bitUSD for posting shit about BitShares and you bitch!!

seriously dude, I'm glad you didn't migrate. I hope you stay here and make zero cash.

The best thing that we could do is put a link at the top of this forum to steem. it would get noobs even more juiced about joining the community. u know im right. the steem forum is a kick ass free gift to the bts community

why?

because the bts posts are the ones generating the most cash!!

again u know im right cuz it aint hard to prove

You're telling me those $$$'s at the bottom of each post can be redeemed into liquid crypto-currency at the value presented?
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Re: Why are you still here???
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2016, 05:50:42 am »
No shit

wot the fawk!

BM builds you a new forum that pays you bitUSD for posting shit about BitShares and you bitch!!

seriously dude, I'm glad you didn't migrate. I hope you stay here and make zero cash.

The best thing that we could do is put a link at the top of this forum to steem. it would get noobs even more juiced about joining the community. u know im right. the steem forum is a kick ass free gift to the bts community

why?

because the bts posts are the ones generating the most cash!!

again u know im right cuz it aint hard to prove

You're telling me those $$$'s at the bottom of each post can be redeemed into liquid crypto-currency at the value presented?

no, and it's just an illusion if you think you get paid big bucks at steemit.

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Re: Why are you still here???
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2016, 07:29:30 am »
You're telling me those $$$'s at the bottom of each post can be redeemed into liquid crypto-currency at the value presented?
Those numbers are payed out 50/50 as Steem Dollars and Steem Power (voting power) .. also the threads "revenue" is split 50/50 between Opening Post and commentors
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Re: Why are you still here???
« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2016, 08:46:15 am »
You're telling me those $$$'s at the bottom of each post can be redeemed into liquid crypto-currency at the value presented?

no, and it's just an illusion if you think you get paid big bucks at steemit.

This appears to be true. On July 4th the big amounts people are receiving right now will end. Dan said there will be ~$2,500 per day after 7/4 and assuming the user base continues to grow I would guess the top post of the day may receive between $5-$10 and the average post would receive a few cents for the next few months. If the site continues to grow then most all post would earn next to nothing with a few standouts grabbing a buck or two. Perhaps my math is incorrect, but comments are also counted in the payouts, so I don't think it's wrong.

It's also possible that the user base doesn't grow significantly or that people align with each other into some kind of voting club (looking at someone here, you know who you are! =b) that goes around voting up each other's post so they dominate the payouts. Which honestly is not real different from what is going on now. There's one person in particular lately that's got a nice scheme going where they  have 10-12 accounts either of their own or friends that upvote all of their post, no matter how inane or trivial it is and it pulls in $200+ each time. The big mining holders of STEEM and Dan appear to be taking the vast majority of the $2 mio that I thought was supposed to go towards new user adoption. At least Dan is making worthwhile post to get his cut but the majority of the other large holders do nothing special and just upvote themselves big payouts.

To be fair, it's not as bad as it was a few weeks ago. They do appear to be making some effort to upvote a new users worthwhile post and spread around the upvotes a little better, but I do know for a fact that there are coordinated efforts to pool votes towards the favored few. Also, I'm sure many of the big holders have figured out by now that it's not in their best interest to bring new users to Steem until after July 4th. Why bring in others when you can take all of that money for yourselves? Wait until the big payout, then invite new users at will! I'm just assuming that's why we don't see these people going around doing much promotion at this point, but perhaps I'm wrong. However, seeing how they are coordinating into voting clubs early on appears to indicate they are well aware of this tactic and are likely adhering to it until 7/4 to maximize profits. It's no different than mining I guess. If you find a tweak that gains you more hashpower you use it. You're certainly not going to discard the tweak because you don't want to take more than others. ;)

I like Steem/Steemit. I just don't like how money has turned the idea into a big cash grab, influenced votes to be selfish, created insider clubs and make new users feel like it's pointless to post there because they're receiving a few cents for their post while others are grabbing thousands. I'll take a quote from Buck's review hit piece on Steemit ...

If George Carlin were to review this social media platform I imagine it would go like this, “It’s a big club and you ain’t in it!”

I think that sums up the opinion of Steemit for most outsiders very well and that's sad to see. In my opinion that stigma seems to follow any project tied to BitShares, it has a very insider feel to it and outsiders just don't feel welcome. My opinion is based off of comparing BitShares related projects to other communities projects I've been involved with where it seems everyone is welcome and the air is full of synergy. I'm not saying one is better than the other in the long run, as toast has pointed out the group trap can hinder things at times. But when it comes to acquiring a large user base and eager participants quickly, BitShares seems to be tainted in the minds of others.

I wonder how much money I could earn expressing this opinion on Steemit?  :P
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Re: Why are you still here???
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2016, 09:53:07 am »
You're telling me those $$$'s at the bottom of each post can be redeemed into liquid crypto-currency at the value presented?

no, and it's just an illusion if you think you get paid big bucks at steemit.

This appears to be true. On July 4th the big amounts people are receiving right now will end. Dan said there will be ~$2,500 per day after 7/4 and assuming the user base continues to grow I would guess the top post of the day may receive between $5-$10 and the average post would receive a few cents for the next few months. If the site continues to grow then most all post would earn next to nothing with a few standouts grabbing a buck or two. Perhaps my math is incorrect, but comments are also counted in the payouts, so I don't think it's wrong.

It's also possible that the user base doesn't grow significantly or that people align with each other into some kind of voting club (looking at someone here, you know who you are! =b) that goes around voting up each other's post so they dominate the payouts. Which honestly is not real different from what is going on now. There's one person in particular lately that's got a nice scheme going where they  have 10-12 accounts either of their own or friends that upvote all of their post, no matter how inane or trivial it is and it pulls in $200+ each time. The big mining holders of STEEM and Dan appear to be taking the vast majority of the $2 mio that I thought was supposed to go towards new user adoption. At least Dan is making worthwhile post to get his cut but the majority of the other large holders do nothing special and just upvote themselves big payouts.

To be fair, it's not as bad as it was a few weeks ago. They do appear to be making some effort to upvote a new users worthwhile post and spread around the upvotes a little better, but I do know for a fact that there are coordinated efforts to pool votes towards the favored few. Also, I'm sure many of the big holders have figured out by now that it's not in their best interest to bring new users to Steem until after July 4th. Why bring in others when you can take all of that money for yourselves? Wait until the big payout, then invite new users at will! I'm just assuming that's why we don't see these people going around doing much promotion at this point, but perhaps I'm wrong. However, seeing how they are coordinating into voting clubs early on appears to indicate they are well aware of this tactic and are likely adhering to it until 7/4 to maximize profits. It's no different than mining I guess. If you find a tweak that gains you more hashpower you use it. You're certainly not going to discard the tweak because you don't want to take more than others. ;)

I like Steem/Steemit. I just don't like how money has turned the idea into a big cash grab, influenced votes to be selfish, created insider clubs and make new users feel like it's pointless to post there because they're receiving a few cents for their post while others are grabbing thousands. I'll take a quote from Buck's review hit piece on Steemit ...

If George Carlin were to review this social media platform I imagine it would go like this, “It’s a big club and you ain’t in it!”

I think that sums up the opinion of Steemit for most outsiders very well and that's sad to see. In my opinion that stigma seems to follow any project tied to BitShares, it has a very insider feel to it and outsiders just don't feel welcome. My opinion is based off of comparing BitShares related projects to other communities projects I've been involved with where it seems everyone is welcome and the air is full of synergy. I'm not saying one is better than the other in the long run, as toast has pointed out the group trap can hinder things at times. But when it comes to acquiring a large user base and eager participants quickly, BitShares seems to be tainted in the minds of others.

I wonder how much money I could earn expressing this opinion on Steemit?  :P

Why don't you give it a try? it's a simple copy paste. If you don't earn anything someone else will probably do for responding.

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Although you have been invited numerous times...


This forum is also largely uncensored AFAIK. Steemit has a down arrow. Why do I wish to post there? 
Because your posts deserve some upvotes, that's why, while some other people's posts deserve an occational downvote from time to time. Not all posts and threads are created equal.
I'm not saying that people should completly stop posting here, all I'm saying is just give steem a try and please read the whitepaper if you haven't already(or anyone else).

If you worry about downvotes,  lots of them by now are accidental downvotes I think, generally it's not in your best interest to downvote because a downvote earns you nothing, but if something is really BAD you have the nuke option.



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Re: Why are you still here???
« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2016, 11:27:10 am »
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nothing to add.

I'm looking forward to akasha.world though, wonder how they will address it

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Re: Why are you still here???
« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2016, 02:13:47 pm »
This appears to be true. On July 4th the big amounts people are receiving right now will end. Dan said there will be ~$2,500 per day after 7/4 and assuming the user base continues to grow I would guess the top post of the day may receive between $5-$10 and the average post would receive a few cents for the next few months. If the site continues to grow then most all post would earn next to nothing with a few standouts grabbing a buck or two. Perhaps my math is incorrect, but comments are also counted in the payouts, so I don't think it's wrong.

It's also possible that the user base doesn't grow significantly or that people align with each other into some kind of voting club (looking at someone here, you know who you are! =b) that goes around voting up each other's post so they dominate the payouts. Which honestly is not real different from what is going on now. There's one person in particular lately that's got a nice scheme going where they  have 10-12 accounts either of their own or friends that upvote all of their post, no matter how inane or trivial it is and it pulls in $200+ each time. The big mining holders of STEEM and Dan appear to be taking the vast majority of the $2 mio that I thought was supposed to go towards new user adoption. At least Dan is making worthwhile post to get his cut but the majority of the other large holders do nothing special and just upvote themselves big payouts.

To be fair, it's not as bad as it was a few weeks ago. They do appear to be making some effort to upvote a new users worthwhile post and spread around the upvotes a little better, but I do know for a fact that there are coordinated efforts to pool votes towards the favored few. Also, I'm sure many of the big holders have figured out by now that it's not in their best interest to bring new users to Steem until after July 4th. Why bring in others when you can take all of that money for yourselves? Wait until the big payout, then invite new users at will! I'm just assuming that's why we don't see these people going around doing much promotion at this point, but perhaps I'm wrong. However, seeing how they are coordinating into voting clubs early on appears to indicate they are well aware of this tactic and are likely adhering to it until 7/4 to maximize profits. It's no different than mining I guess. If you find a tweak that gains you more hashpower you use it. You're certainly not going to discard the tweak because you don't want to take more than others. ;)

I like Steem/Steemit. I just don't like how money has turned the idea into a big cash grab, influenced votes to be selfish, created insider clubs and make new users feel like it's pointless to post there because they're receiving a few cents for their post while others are grabbing thousands. I'll take a quote from Buck's review hit piece on Steemit ...

If George Carlin were to review this social media platform I imagine it would go like this, “It’s a big club and you ain’t in it!”

I think that sums up the opinion of Steemit for most outsiders very well and that's sad to see. In my opinion that stigma seems to follow any project tied to BitShares, it has a very insider feel to it and outsiders just don't feel welcome. My opinion is based off of comparing BitShares related projects to other communities projects I've been involved with where it seems everyone is welcome and the air is full of synergy. I'm not saying one is better than the other in the long run, as toast has pointed out the group trap can hinder things at times. But when it comes to acquiring a large user base and eager participants quickly, BitShares seems to be tainted in the minds of others.

I wonder how much money I could earn expressing this opinion on Steemit?  :P

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