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Offline onceuponatime

There is big different between CEX gateway and BEOS.
people have to deposit shares to CEX if they want to trade.
but I can't find any accepatable reason why people need to deposit shares to beos.
for the purpose of raindrop, you don't need to rob peoples shares ownership, you don't need to rob people's vote power,
but these people just do it without doubt, they deposit shares to beos for only 1 reason, kneel and show loyalty to stan the godfather of beos.

Does that go for anyone who has ever put any of their bitshares on a CEX? Or anyone who has ever bought bitshares on a CEX and kept them there for a while before bringing them to the DEX?

BEOS is not "robbing" anything or anyone. Participating BTS shareholders are voluntarily giving their voting power to BEOS so that BEOS is enabled to integrate with bitshares. This will open up bitshares to the larger EOS community and bring value to both bitshares and BEOS.

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somebody maybe have interest, here is the list of transfer which donated to beos more than 1M BTS.

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25227646.7152, blocktrades
22279422.0373, angel3
21114050, cadord-ozois7
14600000, invictus3
10207991, enkibeos1
10000000, stan3
9868885.9805, btsnow
8673452.5392, ibilitian-scoltock6
7990211.5226, cievia-waugaman3
7593039, rain2beos
7430923.9399, haeassa-granovsky5
6550000, abina.rivard3
keebler-kahn7, 6500256.2339
5422667.53589, cadord-ozois7
5172186.6832, jeraud-kanze2
4777689.69869, geravia-mackinnon8
4338906.2565, qqq1qqq1
4086728.3216, quonael-lievesley1
4064940, beos-bunker
3920520.4724, wesley-waugaman3
3816315.2519, stratolaunch
3647937, wb18919800929
gugugu33, 3539300
3189864, bafohald.degeorge3
3044242, austintexas11
3029462.5877, qqq1qqq1
3000099, iamfrom70s
gugugu33, 3000000
3000000, qqq1qqq1
2999999, newlandbeos2
2998499, billion-hero-prize3
2952927.2604, bts2beos
2859200, rvrtsbts
2500049.0373, thread2
2209480.0536, nana-roseannadana3
2191926.6782, kedaliwin-tefft4
2139791.954, qqq1qqq1
2117555.3873, rsbitshares666666
2004559.656, dadossi-chandra1
1999999.5187, goodc0re2
1800100, x-man
1673005, medabeos1
1561566, jabb3rwocky
1500000.3736, stan3
1498960.8691, hirendra-nakamoto6
1450000, tbone2
1428000, teiva
1415726.0071, michael22
1378395.2358, ralibaen-hagman2
1300001.6149, invictus3
1300000, yvg1900beos
1268583.9373, beos-gurjieff
gugugu33, 1258820
1200000, beos-lzr1900
1200000, beos-lzr1900
1141587.4705, zetaliron-frayser1
gugugu33, 1122992
1106661, kaizen305beos
1079000.5226, beos-lzr1900
beos-lzr1900, 1019999.5679
1006421, lisa86
1000499.5186, hlmbj4r5
X-man?????
My mistick  x-main!=xman

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There is big different between CEX gateway and BEOS.
people have to deposit shares to CEX if they want to trade.
but I can't find any accepatable reason why people need to deposit shares to beos.
for the purpose of raindrop, you don't need to rob peoples shares ownership, you don't need to rob people's vote power,
but these people just do it without doubt, they deposit shares to beos for only 1 reason, kneel and show loyalty to stan the godfather of beos.

Does that go for anyone who has ever put any of their bitshares on a CEX? Or anyone who has ever bought bitshares on a CEX and kept them there for a while before bringing them to the DEX?

他们的钱他们自己负责,有些宗教是要信徒捐出他们全副身家的,只要信徒心甘情愿就行了,一个愿打一个愿挨,干嘛替别人担心 :o

那是正确的

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somebody maybe have interest, here is the list of transfer which donated to beos more than 1M BTS.

Code: [Select]
25227646.7152, blocktrades
22279422.0373, angel3
21114050, cadord-ozois7
14600000, invictus3
10207991, enkibeos1
10000000, stan3
9868885.9805, btsnow
8673452.5392, ibilitian-scoltock6
7990211.5226, cievia-waugaman3
7593039, rain2beos
7430923.9399, haeassa-granovsky5
6550000, abina.rivard3
keebler-kahn7, 6500256.2339
5422667.53589, cadord-ozois7
5172186.6832, jeraud-kanze2
4777689.69869, geravia-mackinnon8
4338906.2565, qqq1qqq1
4086728.3216, quonael-lievesley1
4064940, beos-bunker
3920520.4724, wesley-waugaman3
3816315.2519, stratolaunch
3647937, wb18919800929
gugugu33, 3539300
3189864, bafohald.degeorge3
3044242, austintexas11
3029462.5877, qqq1qqq1
3000099, iamfrom70s
gugugu33, 3000000
3000000, qqq1qqq1
2999999, newlandbeos2
2998499, billion-hero-prize3
2952927.2604, bts2beos
2859200, rvrtsbts
2500049.0373, thread2
2209480.0536, nana-roseannadana3
2191926.6782, kedaliwin-tefft4
2139791.954, qqq1qqq1
2117555.3873, rsbitshares666666
2004559.656, dadossi-chandra1
1999999.5187, goodc0re2
1800100, x-man
1673005, medabeos1
1561566, jabb3rwocky
1500000.3736, stan3
1498960.8691, hirendra-nakamoto6
1450000, tbone2
1428000, teiva
1415726.0071, michael22
1378395.2358, ralibaen-hagman2
1300001.6149, invictus3
1300000, yvg1900beos
1268583.9373, beos-gurjieff
gugugu33, 1258820
1200000, beos-lzr1900
1200000, beos-lzr1900
1141587.4705, zetaliron-frayser1
gugugu33, 1122992
1106661, kaizen305beos
1079000.5226, beos-lzr1900
beos-lzr1900, 1019999.5679
1006421, lisa86
1000499.5186, hlmbj4r5
X-man?????

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There is big different between CEX gateway and BEOS.
people have to deposit shares to CEX if they want to trade.
but I can't find any accepatable reason why people need to deposit shares to beos.
for the purpose of raindrop, you don't need to rob peoples shares ownership, you don't need to rob people's vote power,
but these people just do it without doubt, they deposit shares to beos for only 1 reason, kneel and show loyalty to stan the godfather of beos.

Does that go for anyone who has ever put any of their bitshares on a CEX? Or anyone who has ever bought bitshares on a CEX and kept them there for a while before bringing them to the DEX?

他们的钱他们自己负责,有些宗教是要信徒捐出他们全副身家的,只要信徒心甘情愿就行了,一个愿打一个愿挨,干嘛替别人担心 :o

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There is big different between CEX gateway and BEOS.
people have to deposit shares to CEX if they want to trade.
but I can't find any accepatable reason why people need to deposit shares to beos.
for the purpose of raindrop, you don't need to rob peoples shares ownership, you don't need to rob people's vote power,
but these people just do it without doubt, they deposit shares to beos for only 1 reason, kneel and show loyalty to stan the godfather of beos.

Does that go for anyone who has ever put any of their bitshares on a CEX? Or anyone who has ever bought bitshares on a CEX and kept them there for a while before bringing them to the DEX?

Offline onceuponatime

any account appeared in this list will never get my support for witness or committee or worker.
this means they gave up the ownership of their share, the word sockpuppet fit them very much, they are unreliable.


somebody maybe have interest, here is the list of transfer which donated to beos more than 1M BTS.

Code: [Select]
25227646.7152, blocktrades
22279422.0373, angel3
21114050, cadord-ozois7
14600000, invictus3
10207991, enkibeos1
10000000, stan3
9868885.9805, btsnow
8673452.5392, ibilitian-scoltock6
7990211.5226, cievia-waugaman3
7593039, rain2beos
7430923.9399, haeassa-granovsky5
6550000, abina.rivard3
keebler-kahn7, 6500256.2339
5422667.53589, cadord-ozois7
5172186.6832, jeraud-kanze2
4777689.69869, geravia-mackinnon8
4338906.2565, qqq1qqq1
4086728.3216, quonael-lievesley1
4064940, beos-bunker
3920520.4724, wesley-waugaman3
3816315.2519, stratolaunch
3647937, wb18919800929
gugugu33, 3539300
3189864, bafohald.degeorge3
3044242, austintexas11
3029462.5877, qqq1qqq1
3000099, iamfrom70s
gugugu33, 3000000
3000000, qqq1qqq1
2999999, newlandbeos2
2998499, billion-hero-prize3
2952927.2604, bts2beos
2859200, rvrtsbts
2500049.0373, thread2
2209480.0536, nana-roseannadana3
2191926.6782, kedaliwin-tefft4
2139791.954, qqq1qqq1
2117555.3873, rsbitshares666666
2004559.656, dadossi-chandra1
1999999.5187, goodc0re2
1800100, x-man
1673005, medabeos1
1561566, jabb3rwocky
1500000.3736, stan3
1498960.8691, hirendra-nakamoto6
1450000, tbone2
1428000, teiva
1415726.0071, michael22
1378395.2358, ralibaen-hagman2
1300001.6149, invictus3
1300000, yvg1900beos
1268583.9373, beos-gurjieff
gugugu33, 1258820
1200000, beos-lzr1900
1200000, beos-lzr1900
1141587.4705, zetaliron-frayser1
gugugu33, 1122992
1106661, kaizen305beos
1079000.5226, beos-lzr1900
beos-lzr1900, 1019999.5679
1006421, lisa86
1000499.5186, hlmbj4r5

Does that go for anyone who has ever put any of their bitshares on a CEX? Or anyone who has ever bought bitshares on a CEX and kept them there for a while before bringing them to the DEX?

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any account appeared in this list will never get my support for witness or committee or worker.
this means they gave up the ownership of their share, the word sockpuppet fit them very much, they are unreliable.


somebody maybe have interest, here is the list of transfer which donated to beos more than 1M BTS.

Code: [Select]
25227646.7152, blocktrades
22279422.0373, angel3
21114050, cadord-ozois7
14600000, invictus3
10207991, enkibeos1
10000000, stan3
9868885.9805, btsnow
8673452.5392, ibilitian-scoltock6
7990211.5226, cievia-waugaman3
7593039, rain2beos
7430923.9399, haeassa-granovsky5
6550000, abina.rivard3
keebler-kahn7, 6500256.2339
5422667.53589, cadord-ozois7
5172186.6832, jeraud-kanze2
4777689.69869, geravia-mackinnon8
4338906.2565, qqq1qqq1
4086728.3216, quonael-lievesley1
4064940, beos-bunker
3920520.4724, wesley-waugaman3
3816315.2519, stratolaunch
3647937, wb18919800929
gugugu33, 3539300
3189864, bafohald.degeorge3
3044242, austintexas11
3029462.5877, qqq1qqq1
3000099, iamfrom70s
gugugu33, 3000000
3000000, qqq1qqq1
2999999, newlandbeos2
2998499, billion-hero-prize3
2952927.2604, bts2beos
2859200, rvrtsbts
2500049.0373, thread2
2209480.0536, nana-roseannadana3
2191926.6782, kedaliwin-tefft4
2139791.954, qqq1qqq1
2117555.3873, rsbitshares666666
2004559.656, dadossi-chandra1
1999999.5187, goodc0re2
1800100, x-man
1673005, medabeos1
1561566, jabb3rwocky
1500000.3736, stan3
1498960.8691, hirendra-nakamoto6
1450000, tbone2
1428000, teiva
1415726.0071, michael22
1378395.2358, ralibaen-hagman2
1300001.6149, invictus3
1300000, yvg1900beos
1268583.9373, beos-gurjieff
gugugu33, 1258820
1200000, beos-lzr1900
1200000, beos-lzr1900
1141587.4705, zetaliron-frayser1
gugugu33, 1122992
1106661, kaizen305beos
1079000.5226, beos-lzr1900
beos-lzr1900, 1019999.5679
1006421, lisa86
1000499.5186, hlmbj4r5

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The account histories are interesting.

Apparently quite some genesis funds are claimed, just for BEOS.

HUGE.

Is it I3's hidden treasury? The AGS fund?
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somebody maybe have interest, here is the list of transfer which donated to beos more than 1M BTS.

Code: [Select]
25227646.7152, blocktrades
22279422.0373, angel3
21114050, cadord-ozois7
14600000, invictus3
10207991, enkibeos1
10000000, stan3
9868885.9805, btsnow
8673452.5392, ibilitian-scoltock6
7990211.5226, cievia-waugaman3
7593039, rain2beos
7430923.9399, haeassa-granovsky5
6550000, abina.rivard3
keebler-kahn7, 6500256.2339
5422667.53589, cadord-ozois7
5172186.6832, jeraud-kanze2
4777689.69869, geravia-mackinnon8
4338906.2565, qqq1qqq1
4086728.3216, quonael-lievesley1
4064940, beos-bunker
3920520.4724, wesley-waugaman3
3816315.2519, stratolaunch
3647937, wb18919800929
gugugu33, 3539300
3189864, bafohald.degeorge3
3044242, austintexas11
3029462.5877, qqq1qqq1
3000099, iamfrom70s
gugugu33, 3000000
3000000, qqq1qqq1
2999999, newlandbeos2
2998499, billion-hero-prize3
2952927.2604, bts2beos
2859200, rvrtsbts
2500049.0373, thread2
2209480.0536, nana-roseannadana3
2191926.6782, kedaliwin-tefft4
2139791.954, qqq1qqq1
2117555.3873, rsbitshares666666
2004559.656, dadossi-chandra1
1999999.5187, goodc0re2
1800100, x-man
1673005, medabeos1
1561566, jabb3rwocky
1500000.3736, stan3
1498960.8691, hirendra-nakamoto6
1450000, tbone2
1428000, teiva
1415726.0071, michael22
1378395.2358, ralibaen-hagman2
1300001.6149, invictus3
1300000, yvg1900beos
1268583.9373, beos-gurjieff
gugugu33, 1258820
1200000, beos-lzr1900
1200000, beos-lzr1900
1141587.4705, zetaliron-frayser1
gugugu33, 1122992
1106661, kaizen305beos
1079000.5226, beos-lzr1900
beos-lzr1900, 1019999.5679
1006421, lisa86
1000499.5186, hlmbj4r5

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"Sockpuppet" is clearly "the artist formerly known as funkit" . Its obvious from style and all the points he has made on the telegram channel.  Funny that he needs a fake id account when "funkit" is as fake a name as they come.  What reputation could he possibly be protecting?

...

Methinks funkit's sockpuppet doth protest too much.
Witch hunting?
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us upgrading BitShares to a sidechain in the EOS universe

Is that your goal? Why didn't you say so in the rainfall terms?

How about asking people if they actually want that *before* you lure them out of their voting power?
« Last Edit: May 19, 2019, 07:21:55 pm by pc »
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Offline Thom

I still have reservations about BEOS, primarily due to the favorable attitudes I've read concerning regulatory compliance by members of the BEOS team. I have much respect for Stan, OnceUponaTime , MichaelX and Dan Notestein, but I also see their track record of mistakes. We' all have one, we're all only human, and mistakes can't be eliminated. However, when mistakes become a pattern and ignored, aren't seen as a lesson to learn from, something must be done to raise awareness to a higher level, to stop the cycle.

For the record I have not participated in the BEOS rainfall. I am on the fence about it and I would hate to succumb to manipulation or bribery. It is very difficult to know the actual agenda of all the players, especially those behind the scenes, so abstaining is the best way I know to avoid that.

The main question is, is the BEOS voting power being used to restore the original disruptive, decentralized vision that BitShares was created for, or to dominate and control stakeholders towards a legally regulated, personal freedom limiting ecosystem the uninformed masses will accept? Is this a slippery slope towards incremental control, or the restoration of Austrian / free market economic principles that provide an ecosystem with integrity, accountability and promote personal financial freedom?

One question you need to ask yourself, if you don't want to see kyc and increasing regulator influence on BitShares, is whether the BTS held by those in control of BEOS deposits was intended from the start to be used to do more than facilitate the integration of BitShares and EOS, or, whether such integration requires kyc and fundamental regulatory changes to BitShares. If you don't care about that, feel free to put your head back in the sand and pay no attention to this question. If you do care I urge you to choose your course of action wisely.

I have observed the centralization of control through voting proxies, which was established to address the problem of voter apathy. It did solve the problem of apathy that paralyzed development and growth, but at the expense as time went on of centralizing control. I was not happy with the changes  imposed on BPs wrt price feeds. BSIP42 was a disaster in my mind, particularly in how it was thrust into production, and without any type of report or written conclusion to summarize the results of those "experiments". We now see a downward pressure on MCR from 175% down to 160%, rather than holding individuals personally responsible for their own collateral management. The global MCR value for an asset should be set with investor's safety, not profit as it's primary criteria. I see the influence of Keynesian economic advocates and if those are allowed to prevail we will end up with the same "brink of disaster" situation as mainstream financial markets are experiencing right now.

Perhaps we need more centralized planning to restore the vision and replace the Keynesian perspective with the superior Austrian approach. Ofc if that is to be done the centralized control must be trustworthy and be committed to doing that. I myself have more trust in those I specifically mentioned above, than I do with bitcrab and those who defer to his proxy.That's not to say I totally trust them, b/c of the regulatory attitudes they have expressed, especially wrt kyc policies. 

Whichever way you decide, the choice is currently yours to make. Choose wisely. 
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"Sockpuppet" is clearly "the artist formerly known as funkit" . Its obvious from style and all the points he has made on the telegram channel.  Funny that he needs a fake id account when "funkit" is as fake a name as they come.  What reputation could he possibly be protecting?

It breaks my heart to have such malicious slander directed against what should be celebrated as a boon to the whole BitShares ecosystem.  I'm one of the original founders of that ecosystem and always have its best interests in heart.  We have created BEOS with our own cash (700K and counting) and are giving it away to holders of BitShares, every one of which is eligible to move some of their BTS over to the new chain and collect months of rainfall.

People who do that obviously want to see BitShares integrated to take advantage of EOS technology.  That's what we will be voting for with their loaned voting power.  We are trying not to perturb the existing system too much but do feel we represent enough of the bitshareholders to claim a few committee slots and run a few nodes.  Is that too much to ask?

In the end, funkit is arguing that the existing alliances that control bitshares have the best interests of the ecosystem at heart and should not be perturbed.  Perhaps they do.  But there's a new alliance of voters who have every right to influence the future of BitShares and who are doing it by the book by pooling their voting power.

I honestly can't understand why anyone would object to us upgrading BitShares to a sidechain in the EOS universe where  all our assets can become useful to a much wider audience and all the smart contract features of EOS made able to use BitShares assets.  Think of the billions of EOS R&D and marketing that will make available to BitShares.

Methinks funkit's sockpuppet doth protest too much.


« Last Edit: May 19, 2019, 05:02:11 pm by Stan »
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Ok , I don’t know the agreement is stated in advance,I apologize for my mistakes.

No problem, pm me on telegram when your node is running smooth and tested on testnet. If you need help with Price feeds I can point you in the right direction.

We look forward to supporting a lot more decentralization in governance and bp's.

Sometimes you need some centralization in order to implement decentralized agenda's.