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Re: [Worker Proposal] 201906 Bitshares Mobile App Proposal
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2019, 03:37:44 am »
唯一支持钱包模式的app

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Re: [Worker Proposal] 201906 Bitshares Mobile App Proposal
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2019, 06:05:43 am »
I believe the team is very good, they made a great mobile wallet.
But depends on the high bugget, what I  concern more is how many users use this wallet as their main wallet now.
I suugest you provide some marketing analysis.
and did you made some custom survey about if this wallet can provide most functions they want?

In the current bear market, our total number of users is around 2,000, and the daily activity is around 500.

Yes, we have collected some user needs and made adjustments in our previous work.

1. Improvements have increased the display content of the proposal, allowing users to more intuitively understand the content of the proposal they are working on.
2, optimized the issue of the decimal point display and use of the Polish language
3, added a shield on the blacklist proposal
4, increased risk warning for important proposal content
5, according to user feedback, added a more professional k line

The first phase of the function is to develop and improve some of the basic functions of BitShares for existing community users, and hope to make more details and experience adjustments. We don't want to give users a bad impression because of some experience or lack of function, so that they give up using it, and even negate the entire function of BitShares as dex.
We will increase and promote its exposure more in the preparation of the first phase, and as the community's open source money we will promote the conditions for downloading at bitshares.org.

At the same time, we will prioritize the development of the following functions in the second phase of the work plan based on the current user needs collected.

1, over-the-counter trading (acceptance system)
2, the design of p2p function is also developed
3, scan code login
4, add more gateway services

At the graphene conference in July, we will have deep communication with the community members attending the meeting to collect the demand and make corresponding increase and optimization.
After that, we will collect and publish the work plan content in the forum from time to time.

BitShares is a global community, and an easy-to-use open source mobile wallet is needed by the market and users. We call on community members and users around the world to give us feedback and suggestions. Our target service group is not only the existing 100w users in the community, but also more incremental users in the future. We need a good user experience and word of mouth. To gain trust and recognition, this is not just about BitShares Mobile's market evaluation of BitShares as DEX. We hope to take this responsibility and work hard for it.
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在目前熊市的市场,我们的用户总数在2000左右,日活跃500左右。

是的,我们在之前的工作中已经收集部分用户需求并作出调整

1,改善增加了提案的显示内容,使用户更直观的了解自己所操作的提案内容。
2,优化了关于波兰语言小数点显示及使用问题
3,增加了关于黑名单提案的屏蔽
4,对于重要的提案内容增加了风险提示
5,根据用户反馈增加了更专业的k线

第一期的功能我们更多的是针对现有社区用户开发并完善BitShares的一些基础功能,并希望更多做出细节和体验上的调整。我们不想因为一些体验或功能欠缺的问题给用户带来不好的印象以至于放弃使用,甚至连带否定了BitShares作为dex的整个功能。
在完成第一阶段的准备工作我们将会更多的增加及推广其曝光度,同时作为社区的开源钱我们将推进使其具备可在bitshares.org下载的条件。

同时我们将在第二期的工作计划中根据目前所收集的用户需求优先考虑开发以下功能

1,场外交易(承兑系统)
2,p2p功能的设计也开发
3,扫码登录
4,增加更多的网关服务

7月的石墨烯大会我们会与赴会的社区成员深度交流收集需求,并做出相应的增加和优化
在之后我们将不定期的收集并在论坛公开工作计划内容

BitShares是一个全球化的社区,一个易用开源的移动钱包是市场和用户所需要的。我们呼吁全球的社区成员和用户能够给我们反馈问题和建议,我们的目标服务群体的不仅是社区现有的100w用户,还有未来更多增量的用户,我们需要良好的用户体验及口碑来获得信任和认可,这并不是只关乎BitShares Mobile更关乎于整个 BitShares 作为 DEX 的市场评价,我们希望能承担这一责任做好并为之长期奋斗。
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Re: [Worker Proposal] 201906 Bitshares Mobile App Proposal
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2019, 06:09:30 am »
I believe the team is very good, they made a great mobile wallet.
But depends on the high bugget, what I  concern more is how many users use this wallet as their main wallet now.
I suugest you provide some marketing analysis.
and did you made some custom survey about if this wallet can provide most functions they want?
对我来说现在唯一欠缺的功能就是鼓鼓钱包出入金功能了,所以现在我不得使用两个手机钱包,平时用这个钱包很流畅,但要出入金的时候还是得用鼓鼓。
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很快这将得到解决,你会发现我们的工作中已经针对计划了。
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Re: [Worker Proposal] 201906 Bitshares Mobile App Proposal
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2019, 06:11:01 am »
I believe the team is very good, they made a great mobile wallet.
But depends on the high bugget, what I  concern more is how many users use this wallet as their main wallet now.
I suugest you provide some marketing analysis.
and did you made some custom survey about if this wallet can provide most functions they want?
对我来说现在唯一欠缺的功能就是鼓鼓钱包出入金功能了,所以现在我不得使用两个手机钱包,平时用这个钱包很流畅,但要出入金的时候还是得用鼓鼓。
[/quote
很快这将得到解决,你会发现我们的工作中已经针对计划了。

可以解释下为什么预算超出众包平台报价100倍吗?

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Re: [Worker Proposal] 201906 Bitshares Mobile App Proposal
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2019, 06:12:27 am »
我挺支持改进app的,只是不希望大家把worker当提款机。
希望能得到回复。

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Re: [Worker Proposal] 201906 Bitshares Mobile App Proposal
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2019, 07:09:38 am »
I believe the team is very good, they made a great mobile wallet.
But depends on the high bugget, what I  concern more is how many users use this wallet as their main wallet now.
I suugest you provide some marketing analysis.
and did you made some custom survey about if this wallet can provide most functions they want?
对我来说现在唯一欠缺的功能就是鼓鼓钱包出入金功能了,所以现在我不得使用两个手机钱包,平时用这个钱包很流畅,但要出入金的时候还是得用鼓鼓。
[/quote
很快这将得到解决,你会发现我们的工作中已经针对计划了。

可以解释下为什么预算超出众包平台报价100倍吗?
我很希望我能回答你的问题,不过我想我们可能讨论的并不是同一类产品。

1.BitShares Mobile是根据采用石墨烯底层原生开发的移动钱包
2.针对BTS作为DEX及特殊功能和用户需求针对开发的产品
3.固定专业并熟悉BTS的团队
4.提供长期稳定的功能开发及专业维护
5.参与到BTS社区的生态和发展中,以获取市场和用户解需求并作出调整
6.专业团队的全职工作

或许你应该更多的去了解你所指的的钱包和BitShares Mobile工作提案的内容和产品的区别,同时我并不认为你所指的外包服务可以满足用户需求并得到信任。拼多多和专卖店一样吗?我希望社区有更多像你一样积极的参与者,能给出更多意见与监督。
当然这些都是严谨或专业的。
希望有解答你的疑问 :)
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Re: [Worker Proposal] 201906 Bitshares Mobile App Proposal
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2019, 07:39:06 am »
I believe the team is very good, they made a great mobile wallet.
But depends on the high bugget, what I  concern more is how many users use this wallet as their main wallet now.
I suugest you provide some marketing analysis.
and did you made some custom survey about if this wallet can provide most functions they want?
对我来说现在唯一欠缺的功能就是鼓鼓钱包出入金功能了,所以现在我不得使用两个手机钱包,平时用这个钱包很流畅,但要出入金的时候还是得用鼓鼓。
[/quote
很快这将得到解决,你会发现我们的工作中已经针对计划了。

可以解释下为什么预算超出众包平台报价100倍吗?
我很希望我能回答你的问题,不过我想我们可能讨论的并不是同一类产品。

1.BitShares Mobile是根据采用石墨烯底层原生开发的移动钱包
2.针对BTS作为DEX及特殊功能和用户需求针对开发的产品
3.固定专业并熟悉BTS的团队
4.提供长期稳定的功能开发及专业维护
5.参与到BTS社区的生态和发展中,以获取市场和用户解需求并作出调整
6.专业团队的全职工作

或许你应该更多的去了解你所指的的钱包和BitShares Mobile工作提案的内容和产品的区别,同时我并不认为你所指的外包服务可以满足用户需求并得到信任。拼多多和专卖店一样吗?我希望社区有更多像你一样积极的参与者,能给出更多意见与监督。
当然这些都是严谨或专业的。
希望有解答你的疑问 :)

我也有咨询我身边做app的朋友。对于一个活跃度还只有500的app,年度维护费用要几百万,如果我是老板,确实不会买单。
如果你们愿意把预算降低到50万以内,再单独提交根据日活数据获取社区奖励的提案,我会更加乐意支持你们。
建议你们不仅限于做一个app的维护,单纯的技术不值钱。

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Re: [Worker Proposal] 201906 Bitshares Mobile App Proposal
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2019, 07:41:38 am »
I believe the team is very good, they made a great mobile wallet.
But depends on the high bugget, what I  concern more is how many users use this wallet as their main wallet now.
I suugest you provide some marketing analysis.
and did you made some custom survey about if this wallet can provide most functions they want?
对我来说现在唯一欠缺的功能就是鼓鼓钱包出入金功能了,所以现在我不得使用两个手机钱包,平时用这个钱包很流畅,但要出入金的时候还是得用鼓鼓。
[/quote
很快这将得到解决,你会发现我们的工作中已经针对计划了。

可以解释下为什么预算超出众包平台报价100倍吗?
我很希望我能回答你的问题,不过我想我们可能讨论的并不是同一类产品。

1.BitShares Mobile是根据采用石墨烯底层原生开发的移动钱包
2.针对BTS作为DEX及特殊功能和用户需求针对开发的产品
3.固定专业并熟悉BTS的团队
4.提供长期稳定的功能开发及专业维护
5.参与到BTS社区的生态和发展中,以获取市场和用户解需求并作出调整
6.专业团队的全职工作

或许你应该更多的去了解你所指的的钱包和BitShares Mobile工作提案的内容和产品的区别,同时我并不认为你所指的外包服务可以满足用户需求并得到信任。拼多多和专卖店一样吗?我希望社区有更多像你一样积极的参与者,能给出更多意见与监督。
当然这些都是严谨或专业的。
希望有解答你的疑问 :)

我也有咨询我身边做app的朋友。对于一个活跃度还只有500的app,年度维护费用要几百万,如果我是老板,确实不会买单。
如果你们愿意把预算降低到50万以内,再单独提交根据日活数据获取社区奖励的提案,我会更加乐意支持你们。
建议你们不仅限于做一个app的维护,单纯的技术不值钱。
感谢 :)
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Re: [Worker Proposal] 201906 Bitshares Mobile App Proposal
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2019, 02:39:36 am »
do you mean account number or device number? I ask this because many users maybe have multi accounts.
From the reply, seems the basic function is ready already, I prefer to develop more marketing.
And we need more suggest from users to improve the software.

for example, the blacklist function is very confuse me.
As I known almost all bank app use whitelist to avoid account name accident,
so why do you decide to use blacklist instead of whtelist?

In the current bear market, our total number of users is around 2,000, and the daily activity is around 500.

Yes, we have collected some user needs and made adjustments in our previous work.

1. Improvements have increased the display content of the proposal, allowing users to more intuitively understand the content of the proposal they are working on.
2, optimized the issue of the decimal point display and use of the Polish language
3, added a shield on the blacklist proposal
4, increased risk warning for important proposal content
5, according to user feedback, added a more professional k line

The first phase of the function is to develop and improve some of the basic functions of BitShares for existing community users, and hope to make more details and experience adjustments. We don't want to give users a bad impression because of some experience or lack of function, so that they give up using it, and even negate the entire function of BitShares as dex.
We will increase and promote its exposure more in the preparation of the first phase, and as the community's open source money we will promote the conditions for downloading at bitshares.org.

At the same time, we will prioritize the development of the following functions in the second phase of the work plan based on the current user needs collected.

1, over-the-counter trading (acceptance system)
2, the design of p2p function is also developed
3, scan code login
4, add more gateway services

At the graphene conference in July, we will have deep communication with the community members attending the meeting to collect the demand and make corresponding increase and optimization.
After that, we will collect and publish the work plan content in the forum from time to time.

BitShares is a global community, and an easy-to-use open source mobile wallet is needed by the market and users. We call on community members and users around the world to give us feedback and suggestions. Our target service group is not only the existing 100w users in the community, but also more incremental users in the future. We need a good user experience and word of mouth. To gain trust and recognition, this is not just about BitShares Mobile's market evaluation of BitShares as DEX. We hope to take this responsibility and work hard for it.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] 201906 Bitshares Mobile App Proposal
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2019, 03:14:42 am »
do you mean account number or device number? I ask this because many users maybe have multi accounts.
From the reply, seems the basic function is ready already, I prefer to develop more marketing.
And we need more suggest from users to improve the software.

for example, the blacklist function is very confuse me.
As I known almost all bank app use whitelist to avoid account name accident,
so why do you decide to use blacklist instead of whtelist?

In the current bear market, our total number of users is around 2,000, and the daily activity is around 500.

Yes, we have collected some user needs and made adjustments in our previous work.

1. Improvements have increased the display content of the proposal, allowing users to more intuitively understand the content of the proposal they are working on.
2, optimized the issue of the decimal point display and use of the Polish language
3, added a shield on the blacklist proposal
4, increased risk warning for important proposal content
5, according to user feedback, added a more professional k line

The first phase of the function is to develop and improve some of the basic functions of BitShares for existing community users, and hope to make more details and experience adjustments. We don't want to give users a bad impression because of some experience or lack of function, so that they give up using it, and even negate the entire function of BitShares as dex.
We will increase and promote its exposure more in the preparation of the first phase, and as the community's open source money we will promote the conditions for downloading at bitshares.org.

At the same time, we will prioritize the development of the following functions in the second phase of the work plan based on the current user needs collected.

1, over-the-counter trading (acceptance system)
2, the design of p2p function is also developed
3, scan code login
4, add more gateway services

At the graphene conference in July, we will have deep communication with the community members attending the meeting to collect the demand and make corresponding increase and optimization.
After that, we will collect and publish the work plan content in the forum from time to time.

BitShares is a global community, and an easy-to-use open source mobile wallet is needed by the market and users. We call on community members and users around the world to give us feedback and suggestions. Our target service group is not only the existing 100w users in the community, but also more incremental users in the future. We need a good user experience and word of mouth. To gain trust and recognition, this is not just about BitShares Mobile's market evaluation of BitShares as DEX. We hope to take this responsibility and work hard for it.

感谢您的回复

1、这个数据是统计的设备数量。目前采用  https://fabric.io SDK进行统计,新版本我们集成了 https://flurry.com 进行更详细的统计。
2、关于黑白名单功能。该功能由于区块链底层限制,必须是终身会员才可以操作黑白名单,所以普通用户不能设置自己的白名单列表。目前我们对提案部分添加了部分黑名单处理。之后,在安全性方面我们会进行更系统化的增强和改进,包括转账、交易、提案、钱包等各种方面。
3、市场和营销方面确实很重要。这部分我们也在考虑如何更好的扩展用户,比如添加引荐功能以及后续考虑社区网关整合深度等。以及和core团队、官网团队沟通作为官方移动端产品发布等。
4、关于产品功能部分。目前我们也是从社区反馈列出了许多必要的调整功能,比如法币充值等。

如果您有什么其他任何建议,请给我们反馈。

Thank you for your reply

1. This data is the number of devices. Currently using the https://fabric.io SDK for statistics, the new version we integrated https://flurry.com for more detailed statistics.
2. About the black and white list function. Due to the limitation of the blockchain, this function must be a lifetime membership to operate the black and white list, so ordinary users cannot set their own whitelist. We have now added some blacklisting to the proposal section. After that, we will carry out more systematic enhancements and improvements in terms of security, including transfers, transactions, proposals, wallets and more.
3. Market and marketing are really important. In this part, we are also considering how to better expand users, such as adding referrals and subsequent consideration of community gateway integration depth. And communicate with the core team, the official website team as the official mobile product release.
4. About the product function part. At the moment, we also list many necessary adjustment functions from the community feedback, such as French currency recharge.

If you have any other suggestions, please give us feedback.

Best Regards
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Re: [Worker Proposal] 201906 Bitshares Mobile App Proposal
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2019, 07:31:26 am »
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« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2019, 08:04:50 am »
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请先审查那些Worker Proposals吧!一个小功能就要几百万,还搞到不三不四,被行家评为垃圾。

刚说要审核,马上就支持了这个高花费提案?

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« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2019, 08:42:57 am »
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请先审查那些Worker Proposals吧!一个小功能就要几百万,还搞到不三不四,被行家评为垃圾。

刚说要审核,马上就支持了这个高花费提案?

单单搞入金的开源钱包就值得了,还有他们的开发速度比官方钱包快,看HTLC就知道了。

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Re: [Worker Proposal] 201906 Bitshares Mobile App Proposal
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2019, 09:21:12 am »
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请先审查那些Worker Proposals吧!一个小功能就要几百万,还搞到不三不四,被行家评为垃圾。

刚说要审核,马上就支持了这个高花费提案?

您好,非常高兴社区能有您这样的监管者、督促着。

目前很多worker确实存在各种各样的问题。但我们第一期的worker大家是有目共睹的。相对于国外的很多worker也是性价比最高的。

1、我们有专业的团队,研发人员更是各种游戏行业互联网行业的CTO等职位。目前的预算,扣除各种公司运维、赏金任务、会议等开支后5人团队大概人均3万多RMB。这确实高于天朝互联网行业人均收益,但也仅限于3、4年经验人员。远低于中高端人才薪资。远低于其他worker的国外薪资水平。

2、对于研发方面。你可以仔细看看提案,里面的列出的功能并不比第一期少,并且我们会根据社区需求动态调整。并不仅仅是“维护”而已。

3、对于活跃用户部分。我们我们产品的用户量是不高,和移动互联网APP动着几百,上千万的APP更是没法相比。但目前整个币圈用户远远低于移动互联网基数。具体到BTS圈更少。目前初步估计BTS总日活也就几千量级。当然我们也会推进市场方面的工作,包括通过bitshares.org官网扩展海外市场等等。

4、关于外包价格,其实还有猪八戒等价格更低的平台。那种卖副本的和全新开发完全是两个概念。比如把BTS++副本。50000一份我也很乐意出售。所以你觉得价格这么低像时代那样的公司,用了好几年才搞出一个APP。为什么不直接外包?其中存在种种因素。需求不完全匹配、沟通交流成本、后期维护困难等。

最后、我们都希望BTS能有长远的发展,但BTS发展这么多年入门门槛高也是阻碍发展的主要原因。我们希望能给BTS提供高质量的、媲美中心化交易所的移动端产品。但团队也需要存活,不是吗?

有任何其他疑问欢迎继续指出。
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Re: [Worker Proposal] 201906 Bitshares Mobile App Proposal
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2019, 10:07:26 am »
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请先审查那些Worker Proposals吧!一个小功能就要几百万,还搞到不三不四,被行家评为垃圾。

刚说要审核,马上就支持了这个高花费提案?

您好,非常高兴社区能有您这样的监管者、督促着。

目前很多worker确实存在各种各样的问题。但我们第一期的worker大家是有目共睹的。相对于国外的很多worker也是性价比最高的。

1、我们有专业的团队,研发人员更是各种游戏行业互联网行业的CTO等职位。目前的预算,扣除各种公司运维、赏金任务、会议等开支后5人团队大概人均3万多RMB。这确实高于天朝互联网行业人均收益,但也仅限于3、4年经验人员。远低于中高端人才薪资。远低于其他worker的国外薪资水平。

2、对于研发方面。你可以仔细看看提案,里面的列出的功能并不比第一期少,并且我们会根据社区需求动态调整。并不仅仅是“维护”而已。

3、对于活跃用户部分。我们我们产品的用户量是不高,和移动互联网APP动着几百,上千万的APP更是没法相比。但目前整个币圈用户远远低于移动互联网基数。具体到BTS圈更少。目前初步估计BTS总日活也就几千量级。当然我们也会推进市场方面的工作,包括通过bitshares.org官网扩展海外市场等等。

4、关于外包价格,其实还有猪八戒等价格更低的平台。那种卖副本的和全新开发完全是两个概念。比如把BTS++副本。50000一份我也很乐意出售。所以你觉得价格这么低像时代那样的公司,用了好几年才搞出一个APP。为什么不直接外包?其中存在种种因素。需求不完全匹配、沟通交流成本、后期维护困难等。

最后、我们都希望BTS能有长远的发展,但BTS发展这么多年入门门槛高也是阻碍发展的主要原因。我们希望能给BTS提供高质量的、媲美中心化交易所的移动端产品。但团队也需要存活,不是吗?

有任何其他疑问欢迎继续指出。

好吧,支持一下国人的提案!
不过我希望团队把产品文档做好一点,开源的东西以后大家都能参与进来维护。
像core的文档,网上搜的都是出自技术达人的blog,官方文档太少了。