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« on: August 28, 2019, 08:03:48 am »
As part of the Decentralized conference partnership (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28557.0) we get 4 speaker slots and one keynote address at the conference.

According to the plan described in the worker proposal, the 4 speakers will be BitShares-based businesses.

The 3 so far are OpenLedger, Everprove and BitSpark and I would love for the fourth one to be a cn-based/cn-community one. The entity in question will get flights and accommodation paid for for 2 people  to attend the conference and deliver a 20 min speech, as well as marketing presence in the BitShares booth and conference materials.

More information on the conference here: https://www.decentralized.com/agenda-2019/

Any suggestions welcome.

P.S. Would be great if someone could translate the above to CN below.

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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2019, 08:22:26 am »
帮Clockwork大神翻译一下:

作为去中心化高峰会议(Decentralized Conference)合作伙伴关系(https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28557.0)的一部分,我们在会议上获得了4位发言人和一个主讲人位置。

根据工人提案中描述的计划,4位发言人将发表基于比特股的业务。

到目前为止,三位发言人是OpenLedger,Everprove和BitSpark,我希望第四位发言人将来自于中文社区 / 中国的社区。 我们将为发言人提供2人参加会议的航班和住宿,并提供20分钟的演讲时间,以及在比特股展位和会议资料中提供营销机会。

有关会议的更多信息,请访问:https://www.decentralized.com/agenda-2019/

欢迎任何建议。

附: 如果有人能将上述内容翻译成中文,那就太棒了。
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Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2019, 09:04:42 am »
帮Clockwork大神翻译一下:

作为去中心化会议(Decentralized Conference)合作伙伴关系(https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28557.0)的一部分,我们在会议上获得了4位发言人和一个主讲人位置。

根据工人提案中描述的计划,4位发言人将发表基于比特股的业务。

到目前为止,三位发言人是OpenLedger,Everprove和BitSpark,我希望第四位发言人将来自于中文社区 / 中国的社区。 我们将为发言人提供2人参加会议的航班和住宿,并提供20分钟的演讲时间,以及在比特股展位和会议资料中提供营销机会。

有关会议的更多信息,请访问:https://www.decentralized.com/agenda-2019/

欢迎任何建议。

附: 如果有人能将上述内容翻译成中文,那就太棒了。
感谢bangzi翻译,感谢Clockwork披露

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Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2019, 10:11:29 am »
帮Clockwork大神翻译一下:

作为去中心化会议(Decentralized Conference)合作伙伴关系(https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28557.0)的一部分,我们在会议上获得了4位发言人和一个主讲人位置。

根据工人提案中描述的计划,4位发言人将发表基于比特股的业务。

到目前为止,三位发言人是OpenLedger,Everprove和BitSpark,我希望第四位发言人将来自于中文社区 / 中国的社区。 我们将为发言人提供2人参加会议的航班和住宿,并提供20分钟的演讲时间,以及在比特股展位和会议资料中提供营销机会。

有关会议的更多信息,请访问:https://www.decentralized.com/agenda-2019/

欢迎任何建议。

附: 如果有人能将上述内容翻译成中文,那就太棒了。
费用重新做规划了吗?

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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2019, 10:24:53 am »
帮Clockwork大神翻译一下:

作为去中心化会议(Decentralized Conference)合作伙伴关系(https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28557.0)的一部分,我们在会议上获得了4位发言人和一个主讲人位置。

根据工人提案中描述的计划,4位发言人将发表基于比特股的业务。

到目前为止,三位发言人是OpenLedger,Everprove和BitSpark,我希望第四位发言人将来自于中文社区 / 中国的社区。 我们将为发言人提供2人参加会议的航班和住宿,并提供20分钟的演讲时间,以及在比特股展位和会议资料中提供营销机会。

有关会议的更多信息,请访问:https://www.decentralized.com/agenda-2019/

欢迎任何建议。

附: 如果有人能将上述内容翻译成中文,那就太棒了。
费用重新做规划了吗?

If google translate is working properly. Worker is currently being funded so there should be no problems. Cost breakdown is in the worker proposal.

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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2019, 11:16:27 am »
帮Clockwork大神翻译一下:

作为去中心化会议(Decentralized Conference)合作伙伴关系(https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28557.0)的一部分,我们在会议上获得了4位发言人和一个主讲人位置。

根据工人提案中描述的计划,4位发言人将发表基于比特股的业务。

到目前为止,三位发言人是OpenLedger,Everprove和BitSpark,我希望第四位发言人将来自于中文社区 / 中国的社区。 我们将为发言人提供2人参加会议的航班和住宿,并提供20分钟的演讲时间,以及在比特股展位和会议资料中提供营销机会。

有关会议的更多信息,请访问:https://www.decentralized.com/agenda-2019/

欢迎任何建议。

附: 如果有人能将上述内容翻译成中文,那就太棒了。
费用重新做规划了吗?

If google translate is working properly. Worker is currently being funded so there should be no problems. Cost breakdown is in the worker proposal.

I think with cost re-planned he means cost lowered for travel expanse.
I read that chinese say that $2000 per person travel expanse is to much.

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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2019, 11:22:17 am »
帮Clockwork大神翻译一下:

作为去中心化会议(Decentralized Conference)合作伙伴关系(https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28557.0)的一部分,我们在会议上获得了4位发言人和一个主讲人位置。

根据工人提案中描述的计划,4位发言人将发表基于比特股的业务。

到目前为止,三位发言人是OpenLedger,Everprove和BitSpark,我希望第四位发言人将来自于中文社区 / 中国的社区。 我们将为发言人提供2人参加会议的航班和住宿,并提供20分钟的演讲时间,以及在比特股展位和会议资料中提供营销机会。

有关会议的更多信息,请访问:https://www.decentralized.com/agenda-2019/

欢迎任何建议。

附: 如果有人能将上述内容翻译成中文,那就太棒了。
费用重新做规划了吗?

If google translate is working properly. Worker is currently being funded so there should be no problems. Cost breakdown is in the worker proposal.

I think with cost re-planned he means cost lowered for travel expanse.
I read that chinese say that $2000 per person travel expanse is to much.

Ah ok, all costs are in budget form, i.e. UP TO 2k pp. Obviously the plan is to keep actual costs as low as possible. If you check last year's worker you'll see that actual costs were lower.

2k sounds about right for china (judging from when I looked into it to travel to the shanghai conference) . Obviously different for those travelling within the EU

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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2019, 12:54:35 pm »
I would choose Crypviser with real ground breaking blockchain communication and security technology based on bitshares instead of bitspark.
A registered company based in Germany/Switzerland which is trying to comply with all regulations.

Crypviser has also the advantage that they can explain why they switched from Ethereum to Bitshares and have a fully working product.
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2019, 01:21:11 pm »
What about a position for the Russian community? For example, the dexgames platform (https://dexgames.net) looks quite good.

如果给俄罗斯社区一个机会怎么样?比如 dexgames 游戏平台看起来就很不错 (https://dexgame.net)。

For the CN community, I think the best choice is among GDEX, MagicWallet and 100-city-chain. Another project is btspp which has a potential in the future, but I think it's not good enough especially as a "business" right now.

中国社区的话,我觉得最合适的是 GDEX 、鼓鼓钱包、百城百店项目。
btspp 有前景,但目前主要还是基础钱包功能,我觉得不太合适作为 business 来讲。
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2019, 01:29:16 pm »
What about a position for the Russian community? For example, the dexgames platform (https://dexgames.net) looks quite good.

如果给俄罗斯社区一个机会怎么样?比如 dexgames 游戏平台看起来就很不错 (https://dexgame.net)。

For the CN community, I think the best choice is among GDEX, MagicWallet and 100-city-chain. Another project is btspp which has a potential in the future, but I think it's not good enough especially as a "business" right now.

中国社区的话,我觉得最合适的是 GDEX 、鼓鼓钱包、百城百店项目。
btspp 有前景,但目前主要还是基础钱包功能,我觉得不太合适作为 business 来讲。

Russian community reps will definitely be invited. However the speaker slots are 4 with only the 4th one left open at the moment and I'd really like a CN team to fill it. Magic wallet is also my preference but I wanted to get other suggestions.

We also get a 1hr long panel discussion to organise. This could be used to get exposure to other bitshares businesses/communities. I plan to ask for input/feedback on this once i've finalised teh 4 speaker slots.

The worker is planned for 25 people to attend. 4 businesses * 2 each + me + ryan is 10. There is another 15 people remaining to be invited which will include panelists + community reps. One step at a time

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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2019, 01:41:19 pm »
I would choose Crypviser with real ground breaking blockchain communication and security technology based on bitshares instead of bitspark.
A registered company based in Germany/Switzerland which is trying to comply with all regulations.

Crypviser has also the advantage that they can explain why they switched from Ethereum to Bitshares and have a fully working product.

Can be added if there is no interest from the CN community in the end. TBF, crypviser is running on a bitshares/graphene fork rather than bitshares itself and news has been slow in the last year which is why  it wasn't considered yet. I'd much rather showcase businesses running ON the actual bitshares blockchain.

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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2019, 01:52:22 pm »
I would choose Crypviser with real ground breaking blockchain communication and security technology based on bitshares instead of bitspark.
A registered company based in Germany/Switzerland which is trying to comply with all regulations.

Crypviser has also the advantage that they can explain why they switched from Ethereum to Bitshares and have a fully working product.

Can be added if there is no interest from the CN community in the end. TBF, crypviser is running on a bitshares/graphene fork rather than bitshares itself and news has been slow in the last year which is why  it wasn't considered yet. I'd much rather showcase businesses running ON the actual bitshares blockchain.
I agree that it makes less sense if it's a fork.
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2019, 01:54:54 pm »
I would choose Crypviser with real ground breaking blockchain communication and security technology based on bitshares instead of bitspark.
A registered company based in Germany/Switzerland which is trying to comply with all regulations.

Crypviser has also the advantage that they can explain why they switched from Ethereum to Bitshares and have a fully working product.

Can be added if there is no interest from the CN community in the end. TBF, crypviser is running on a bitshares/graphene fork rather than bitshares itself and news has been slow in the last year which is why  it wasn't considered yet. I'd much rather showcase businesses running ON the actual bitshares blockchain.
I agree that it makes less sense if it's a fork.
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2019, 02:43:43 pm »
clockwork 先生,

有几个问题我希望你能给中文社区答复:

1)在目前bts价格如此低迷,社区经费紧张的情况下,您认为一定要为25个参会者全部提供机票和食宿吗? 你能不能说明一下这样做的理由? 大部分国际会议都是都是只给演讲者提供差旅费的。
“The worker is planned for 25 people to attend. 4 businesses * 2 each + me + ryan is 10. There is another 15 people remaining to be invited which will include panelists + community reps.”

2)能否把这25个参会者的个人简介和参会需要完成的任务向社区公布,以便大家监督。

3)能否考虑减少参会的人数?真的需要这么多人到会议上去吗?

谢谢! Thanks in advance

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What about a position for the Russian community? For example, the dexgames platform (https://dexgames.net) looks quite good.

如果给俄罗斯社区一个机会怎么样?比如 dexgames 游戏平台看起来就很不错 (https://dexgame.net)。

For the CN community, I think the best choice is among GDEX, MagicWallet and 100-city-chain. Another project is btspp which has a potential in the future, but I think it's not good enough especially as a "business" right now.

中国社区的话,我觉得最合适的是 GDEX 、鼓鼓钱包、百城百店项目。
btspp 有前景,但目前主要还是基础钱包功能,我觉得不太合适作为 business 来讲。

Russian community reps will definitely be invited. However the speaker slots are 4 with only the 4th one left open at the moment and I'd really like a CN team to fill it. Magic wallet is also my preference but I wanted to get other suggestions.

We also get a 1hr long panel discussion to organise. This could be used to get exposure to other bitshares businesses/communities. I plan to ask for input/feedback on this once i've finalised teh 4 speaker slots.

The worker is planned for 25 people to attend. 4 businesses * 2 each + me + ryan is 10. There is another 15 people remaining to be invited which will include panelists + community reps. One step at a time
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2019, 02:48:06 pm »
工会的意见很明确,开会可以,但必须降低费用!工会一致主张开源节流,让bts恢复元气,再谈其他

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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2019, 02:57:06 pm »
clockwork 先生,

有几个问题我希望你能给中文社区答复:

1)在目前bts价格如此低迷,社区经费紧张的情况下,您认为一定要为25个参会者全部提供机票和食宿吗? 你能不能说明一下这样做的理由? 大部分国际会议都是都是只给演讲者提供差旅费的。
“The worker is planned for 25 people to attend. 4 businesses * 2 each + me + ryan is 10. There is another 15 people remaining to be invited which will include panelists + community reps.”

2)能否把这25个参会者的个人简介和参会需要完成的任务向社区公布,以便大家监督。

3)能否考虑减少参会的人数?真的需要这么多人到会议上去吗?

谢谢! Thanks in advance

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What about a position for the Russian community? For example, the dexgames platform (https://dexgames.net) looks quite good.

如果给俄罗斯社区一个机会怎么样?比如 dexgames 游戏平台看起来就很不错 (https://dexgame.net)。

For the CN community, I think the best choice is among GDEX, MagicWallet and 100-city-chain. Another project is btspp which has a potential in the future, but I think it's not good enough especially as a "business" right now.

中国社区的话,我觉得最合适的是 GDEX 、鼓鼓钱包、百城百店项目。
btspp 有前景,但目前主要还是基础钱包功能,我觉得不太合适作为 business 来讲。

Russian community reps will definitely be invited. However the speaker slots are 4 with only the 4th one left open at the moment and I'd really like a CN team to fill it. Magic wallet is also my preference but I wanted to get other suggestions.

We also get a 1hr long panel discussion to organise. This could be used to get exposure to other bitshares businesses/communities. I plan to ask for input/feedback on this once i've finalised teh 4 speaker slots.

The worker is planned for 25 people to attend. 4 businesses * 2 each + me + ryan is 10. There is another 15 people remaining to be invited which will include panelists + community reps. One step at a time


The reason for 25 people is because there were 25 free attendance tickets (each costing 450Euro) included in the entire partnership package. Seeing as this is not just "attending" a conference but co-presenting/partnering and with the best (double) booth in the conference, I believe we need as big a team as possible to push the entire BitShares ecosystem and network with other people/businesses attending. Having attended and organised the sponsorship last year as well, I can tell you that the networking factor alone (regardless of speaking slot) is a big deal and there's loads of interesting discussions and contacts taking place.

so
1.) The worker doesn't HAVE to but then I doubt we would get  the kind of attendance we need. So covering all is a way to make sure we have a large and varied team. Which is why it was mentioned from the beginning.
2.) As mentioned in the original proposal, it will be a mix of worker representatives, "regional" representatives suggested by the community, large proxies, committee members etc. as schedule permits. Finalising the list is the next step after finalising the speaker slots.
3.) See my reasoning above. Might be reduced, depending on interest and feedback but personally would rather not.

I'll once again point out that the worker budget is a MAXIMUM (i.e. UP TO that amount). All unused funds will be returned to the chain. I know for a fact that flights/ and accommodation will end up being less than 2k pp. That was just set as a maximum limit.

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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2019, 03:38:39 pm »
clockwork 先生, 谢谢您的回复,

我相信这个会议很重要,但您要考虑目前社区的经费紧张状况和bts币价已经低于4美分,马上就要到3美分。我不知道您有没有持有1百万以上的bts? 如果你持有大量的bts您就能理解中文社区bts持有者的心情。
这个会议你们会 造成600万bts的抛售。这足以将bts的价格降到2美分,并造成市场的恐慌。 请您仔细考虑这个因素。

中文社区的大部分持币者的意见是,希望您能让参会者自己支付差旅费,我们提供免费门票已经让社区举步维艰了。

我认为取个折中方案,最多只能为10个核心人员提供差旅费,这样可以减少3万美元的抛售压力。当然您也可以不顾中文社区的意见,决定权在你。it would be very grateful if you can nice to the popular will of our community.

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The reason for 25 people is because there were 25 free attendance tickets (each costing 450Euro) included in the entire partnership package. Seeing as this is not just "attending" a conference but co-presenting/partnering and with the best (double) booth in the conference, I believe we need as big a team as possible to push the entire BitShares ecosystem and network with other people/businesses attending. Having attended and organised the sponsorship last year as well, I can tell you that the networking factor alone (regardless of speaking slot) is a big deal and there's loads of interesting discussions and contacts taking place.

so
1.) The worker doesn't HAVE to but then I doubt we would get  the kind of attendance we need. So covering all is a way to make sure we have a large and varied team. Which is why it was mentioned from the beginning.
2.) As mentioned in the original proposal, it will be a mix of worker representatives, "regional" representatives suggested by the community, large proxies, committee members etc. as schedule permits. Finalising the list is the next step after finalising the speaker slots.
3.) See my reasoning above. Might be reduced, depending on interest and feedback but personally would rather not.

I'll once again point out that the worker budget is a MAXIMUM (i.e. UP TO that amount). All unused funds will be returned to the chain. I know for a fact that flights/ and accommodation will end up being less than 2k pp. That was just set as a maximum limit.

clockwork 先生,

有几个问题我希望你能给中文社区答复:

1)在目前bts价格如此低迷,社区经费紧张的情况下,您认为一定要为25个参会者全部提供机票和食宿吗? 你能不能说明一下这样做的理由? 大部分国际会议都是都是只给演讲者提供差旅费的。
“The worker is planned for 25 people to attend. 4 businesses * 2 each + me + ryan is 10. There is another 15 people remaining to be invited which will include panelists + community reps.”

2)能否把这25个参会者的个人简介和参会需要完成的任务向社区公布,以便大家监督。

3)能否考虑减少参会的人数?真的需要这么多人到会议上去吗?

谢谢! Thanks in advance

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What about a position for the Russian community? For example, the dexgames platform (https://dexgames.net) looks quite good.

如果给俄罗斯社区一个机会怎么样?比如 dexgames 游戏平台看起来就很不错 (https://dexgame.net)。

For the CN community, I think the best choice is among GDEX, MagicWallet and 100-city-chain. Another project is btspp which has a potential in the future, but I think it's not good enough especially as a "business" right now.

中国社区的话,我觉得最合适的是 GDEX 、鼓鼓钱包、百城百店项目。
btspp 有前景,但目前主要还是基础钱包功能,我觉得不太合适作为 business 来讲。

Russian community reps will definitely be invited. However the speaker slots are 4 with only the 4th one left open at the moment and I'd really like a CN team to fill it. Magic wallet is also my preference but I wanted to get other suggestions.

We also get a 1hr long panel discussion to organise. This could be used to get exposure to other bitshares businesses/communities. I plan to ask for input/feedback on this once i've finalised teh 4 speaker slots.

The worker is planned for 25 people to attend. 4 businesses * 2 each + me + ryan is 10. There is another 15 people remaining to be invited which will include panelists + community reps. One step at a time


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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2019, 07:59:01 am »
clockwork 先生, 谢谢您的回复,

我相信这个会议很重要,但您要考虑目前社区的经费紧张状况和bts币价已经低于4美分,马上就要到3美分。我不知道您有没有持有1百万以上的bts? 如果你持有大量的bts您就能理解中文社区bts持有者的心情。
这个会议你们会 造成600万bts的抛售。这足以将bts的价格降到2美分,并造成市场的恐慌。 请您仔细考虑这个因素。

中文社区的大部分持币者的意见是,希望您能让参会者自己支付差旅费,我们提供免费门票已经让社区举步维艰了。

我认为取个折中方案,最多只能为10个核心人员提供差旅费,这样可以减少3万美元的抛售压力。当然您也可以不顾中文社区的意见,决定权在你。it would be very grateful if you can nice to the popular will of our community.

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The reason for 25 people is because there were 25 free attendance tickets (each costing 450Euro) included in the entire partnership package. Seeing as this is not just "attending" a conference but co-presenting/partnering and with the best (double) booth in the conference, I believe we need as big a team as possible to push the entire BitShares ecosystem and network with other people/businesses attending. Having attended and organised the sponsorship last year as well, I can tell you that the networking factor alone (regardless of speaking slot) is a big deal and there's loads of interesting discussions and contacts taking place.

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1.) The worker doesn't HAVE to but then I doubt we would get  the kind of attendance we need. So covering all is a way to make sure we have a large and varied team. Which is why it was mentioned from the beginning.
2.) As mentioned in the original proposal, it will be a mix of worker representatives, "regional" representatives suggested by the community, large proxies, committee members etc. as schedule permits. Finalising the list is the next step after finalising the speaker slots.
3.) See my reasoning above. Might be reduced, depending on interest and feedback but personally would rather not.

I'll once again point out that the worker budget is a MAXIMUM (i.e. UP TO that amount). All unused funds will be returned to the chain. I know for a fact that flights/ and accommodation will end up being less than 2k pp. That was just set as a maximum limit.

clockwork 先生,

有几个问题我希望你能给中文社区答复:

1)在目前bts价格如此低迷,社区经费紧张的情况下,您认为一定要为25个参会者全部提供机票和食宿吗? 你能不能说明一下这样做的理由? 大部分国际会议都是都是只给演讲者提供差旅费的。
“The worker is planned for 25 people to attend. 4 businesses * 2 each + me + ryan is 10. There is another 15 people remaining to be invited which will include panelists + community reps.”

2)能否把这25个参会者的个人简介和参会需要完成的任务向社区公布,以便大家监督。

3)能否考虑减少参会的人数?真的需要这么多人到会议上去吗?

谢谢! Thanks in advance

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What about a position for the Russian community? For example, the dexgames platform (https://dexgames.net) looks quite good.

如果给俄罗斯社区一个机会怎么样?比如 dexgames 游戏平台看起来就很不错 (https://dexgame.net)。

For the CN community, I think the best choice is among GDEX, MagicWallet and 100-city-chain. Another project is btspp which has a potential in the future, but I think it's not good enough especially as a "business" right now.

中国社区的话,我觉得最合适的是 GDEX 、鼓鼓钱包、百城百店项目。
btspp 有前景,但目前主要还是基础钱包功能,我觉得不太合适作为 business 来讲。

Russian community reps will definitely be invited. However the speaker slots are 4 with only the 4th one left open at the moment and I'd really like a CN team to fill it. Magic wallet is also my preference but I wanted to get other suggestions.

We also get a 1hr long panel discussion to organise. This could be used to get exposure to other bitshares businesses/communities. I plan to ask for input/feedback on this once i've finalised teh 4 speaker slots.

The worker is planned for 25 people to attend. 4 businesses * 2 each + me + ryan is 10. There is another 15 people remaining to be invited which will include panelists + community reps. One step at a time



For transparency's sake, I hold roughly 400k BTS in total. Not as many as others but more than most. On top, that is my ENTIRE crypto stake. I hold no other coins. What's more, I started with 8k BTS and have been accumulating for >2 years.

Most of my salary (as witness and from UI worker) is kept and used to BUY and accumulate more BTS. I liquidate a small amount as needed to cover living expenses. So yes, I'm also thinking long-term.

That being said, I want to keep costs as low as possible but not at the expense of the conference's success. I am considering rebudgeting the worker to limit costs as long as it's possible. E.g. core team members will probably pay for travel/accommodation from their own worker (which has a conference budget) thus cutting costs there. The same would be true for UI team members but UI worker has been unvoted for so long over the last year it is finally out of funds.

for what it's worth, the cn community's decision to cut costs would make much more sense if it kept voting for key proposals that need funds (e.g. UI) instead of ones (like hackthedex) that are very healthily funded.

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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2019, 06:25:16 pm »
It would be nice if members/supporters of the Union could find a consens on this.
Silence is no solution.

Currently the worker is half funded and voted out.
On my knowledge bitshares would lose the collected funds also if it won't continue the conference sponsorship worker anymore.

I'm supporting the chinese move to reduce cost however disagree on the possibility to lose that amount of collected money for nothing.

Please keep negotiating to find a consensus.

I'm sure both sides are willing to negotiate.


Should there be no activity in next 3 days i will myself remove the vote from refund400k worker to not let happen that bitshares loses 100k euro without benefit but i would prefer both parties would find a consensus making both of them happy.


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« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2019, 09:56:23 pm »
It would be nice if members/supporters of the Union could find a consens on this.
Silence is no solution.

Currently the worker is half funded and voted out.
On my knowledge bitshares would lose the collected funds also if it won't continue the conference sponsorship worker anymore.

I'm supporting the chinese move to reduce cost however disagree on the possibility to lose that amount of collected money for nothing.

Please keep negotiating to find a consensus.

I'm sure both sides are willing to negotiate.


Should there be no activity in next 3 days i will myself remove the vote from refund400k worker to not let happen that bitshares loses over 100k euro without benefit but i would prefer both parties would find a consensus making both of them happy.

In light of recent discussions about worker funding and the voting shift with refund 400k worker, and considering a down payment and commitment has been made for the sponsorship I want to make the following update and amendments to the worker budget to ensure continued funding so that the sponsorship fee will not be money down the drain.

For tax purposes, payment of the sponsorship costs was handed over to the BBF. This saves us the VAT calculated in the original worker while incurring a 5% escrow cost, bringing the total sponsorship cost to  116.5k instead of 135.5 for a saving of 19k USD.

Additionally at least 4 of the core team members who will be attending will have their travel/accommodation covered by the Core Team worker's existing conference budget for a minimum savings of another 8k USD.

Furthermore I will attempt to ensure that the average per person accommodation and travel cost for the remaining 20 slots does not exceed 1.5k  for a minimum savings of 10k USD.

Finally, I will negotiate the promotional material production (video, leaflets etc.) down to 5k USD for another 2k savings and cut the unexpected expenses buffer to just 500$ for another 1k USD saved.

This brings the total MAXIMUM cost of the worker down to 160k USD which is a 20% decrease from the original plan.

I hope this will be better suited to the community and people will reevaluate their voting slates.

Thank you,

Alex

P.S. I should point out that this (like last year's) worker has NO management fee and I get NO reimbursement of any kind for planning/organising it apart from entry to the event. I'm working on it simply because I truly believe it will be beneficial to the platform.

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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2019, 07:57:55 am »
Thanks to lin5464 for the translation.

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In light of recent discussions about worker funding and the voting shift with refund 400k worker, and considering a down payment and commitment has been made for the sponsorship I want to make the following update and amendments to the worker budget to ensure continued funding so that the sponsorship fee will not be money down the drain.

鉴于最近对工人提案注资的讨论以及投票转移到refund 400k提案,考虑到对去中心化峰会已作出的承诺和已支付的订金,为了确保本提案能持续获得注资以及赞助费不被白白浪费掉,我想对此提案预算作出以下更新和修订。

For tax purposes, payment of the sponsorship costs was handed over to the BBF. This saves us the VAT calculated in the original worker while incurring a 5% escrow cost, bringing the total sponsorship cost to  116.5k instead of 135.5 for a saving of 19k USD.

出于税务上的考虑,赞助费用的款项已交由BBF托管。这虽然增加了5%的托管手续费,但节省了原提案中需要缴纳的增值税,此举使得赞助费从135.5k美元减少到116.5k美元,省下了19k美元。

Additionally at least 4 of the core team members who will be attending will have their travel/accommodation covered by the Core Team worker's existing conference budget for a minimum savings of another 8k USD.

此外,参加峰会的核心团队成员中至少有4人的差旅/住宿费将由核心团队现有的提案会议预算支付,最低可节省8k美元。

Furthermore I will attempt to ensure that the average per person accommodation and travel cost for the remaining 20 slots does not exceed 1.5k  for a minimum savings of 10k USD.

而且我将努力确保其余20个名额的人均住宿费和差费不超过1.5k美元,最低节省10k美元。

Finally, I will negotiate the promotional material production (video, leaflets etc.) down to 5k USD for another 2k savings and cut the unexpected expenses buffer to just 500$ for another 1k USD saved.

最后,我会协商将宣传材料的制作费用(视频、传单等)减少到5000美元以节省2000美元,并将不可预见费用削减到500美元以节省1000美元。

This brings the total MAXIMUM cost of the worker down to 160k USD which is a 20% decrease from the original plan.

这使得此提案的最高预算成本下降到16万美元,比原计划减少了20%。

I hope this will be better suited to the community and people will reevaluate their voting slates.

希望这将更符合社区的期望,愿社区成员能重新评估你们的投票。

Thank you,

谢谢!

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P.S. I should point out that this (like last year's) worker has NO management fee and I get NO reimbursement of any kind for planning/organising it apart from entry to the event. I'm working on it simply because I truly believe it will be beneficial to the platform.

附注:我要指出的是, (和去年一样)此提案没有管理费,除了参加活动外,我没有获得任何形式的计划/组织回扣。我之所以致力于此只是因为我真心相信这将有益于平台。

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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2019, 12:59:45 pm »
说句煞风景的话,有什么大会要开,直接telegram讨论一下就是了。管他大户还是小户,开户马力让BTS归零,然后让舍不得自己手中的币的人自救就是了!

从现在开始不应该再多发一个币,有收益就支出,没收益就别灌水了。

以后剩下的一亿花完了,需要钱时候怎么办?还不是要靠收益?难道那时候什么事情都不做了?如果那样还不如现在就不做了。

或者干脆把剩下的币全部按比例分给现在的持有者,然后大家一起看着日出日落。

请原谅我说的这么难听,我不是针对这次的会议,我是针对所有的worker,包括所有的明星项目。

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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2019, 08:19:44 pm »
48h passed.


@Cn-Vote

Please find a consensus on it as i still see no active communitcation.

Should there be no active progress in next 24h i will remove my vote from refund400k

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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2019, 10:38:46 pm »
现在bts的价格越来越低,很快就要破近两年的新低,很多中国的btser已经丧失了信心,此时再花巨额资金参加会议无异于火上浇油。我的意见是尽量不增加任何支出,就系统已支出的费用尽量的完成参会吧

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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2019, 10:47:30 pm »
48h passed.


@Cn-Vote

Please find a consensus on it as i still see no active communitcation.

Should there be no active progress in next 24h i will remove my vote from refund400k
就系统已支出了费用,我相信去参加会议已经够了,难道组织和参与者就没有一点奉献精神吗?希望能共同努力让bts度过难关

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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2019, 02:49:57 am »
尊敬的Alex先生,

首先感谢你重新削减了会议开支。不出我所料,bts的价格已经从上次我给你回信的4美分跌到接近3美分。 我相信即使按照你新预算16万美元的开支,在当前的市场情况下,也足以将bts价格推向2美分。

我个人和社区部分成员有如下的几个意见,想和你探讨一下:

1)社区已经支持了50%以上的希腊会议经费。剩余部分是否可以由参加会议的人员自己垫付?
2)个人垫付的部分由社区发行UIA资产(marketing fund)相应予以补偿,这些资产可以流通,社区在适当的时候予以回购并赋予该资产持有者相应的荣誉。
3)24个参会者的数目应该至少削减到15个。

谢谢
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Thanks to lin5464 for the translation.

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In light of recent discussions about worker funding and the voting shift with refund 400k worker, and considering a down payment and commitment has been made for the sponsorship I want to make the following update and amendments to the worker budget to ensure continued funding so that the sponsorship fee will not be money down the drain.

鉴于最近对工人提案注资的讨论以及投票转移到refund 400k提案,考虑到对去中心化峰会已作出的承诺和已支付的订金,为了确保本提案能持续获得注资以及赞助费不被白白浪费掉,我想对此提案预算作出以下更新和修订。

For tax purposes, payment of the sponsorship costs was handed over to the BBF. This saves us the VAT calculated in the original worker while incurring a 5% escrow cost, bringing the total sponsorship cost to  116.5k instead of 135.5 for a saving of 19k USD.

出于税务上的考虑,赞助费用的款项已交由BBF托管。这虽然增加了5%的托管手续费,但节省了原提案中需要缴纳的增值税,此举使得赞助费从135.5k美元减少到116.5k美元,省下了19k美元。

Additionally at least 4 of the core team members who will be attending will have their travel/accommodation covered by the Core Team worker's existing conference budget for a minimum savings of another 8k USD.

此外,参加峰会的核心团队成员中至少有4人的差旅/住宿费将由核心团队现有的提案会议预算支付,最低可节省8k美元。

Furthermore I will attempt to ensure that the average per person accommodation and travel cost for the remaining 20 slots does not exceed 1.5k  for a minimum savings of 10k USD.

而且我将努力确保其余20个名额的人均住宿费和差费不超过1.5k美元,最低节省10k美元。

Finally, I will negotiate the promotional material production (video, leaflets etc.) down to 5k USD for another 2k savings and cut the unexpected expenses buffer to just 500$ for another 1k USD saved.

最后,我会协商将宣传材料的制作费用(视频、传单等)减少到5000美元以节省2000美元,并将不可预见费用削减到500美元以节省1000美元。

This brings the total MAXIMUM cost of the worker down to 160k USD which is a 20% decrease from the original plan.

这使得此提案的最高预算成本下降到16万美元,比原计划减少了20%。

I hope this will be better suited to the community and people will reevaluate their voting slates.

希望这将更符合社区的期望,愿社区成员能重新评估你们的投票。

Thank you,

谢谢!

Alex

亚历克斯

P.S. I should point out that this (like last year's) worker has NO management fee and I get NO reimbursement of any kind for planning/organising it apart from entry to the event. I'm working on it simply because I truly believe it will be beneficial to the platform.

附注:我要指出的是, (和去年一样)此提案没有管理费,除了参加活动外,我没有获得任何形式的计划/组织回扣。我之所以致力于此只是因为我真心相信这将有益于平台。
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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2019, 08:11:03 am »
see my response above
48h passed.


@Cn-Vote

Please find a consensus on it as i still see no active communitcation.

Should there be no active progress in next 24h i will remove my vote from refund400k
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« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2019, 08:27:34 am »
尊敬的Alex先生,

首先感谢你重新削减了会议开支。不出我所料,bts的价格已经从上次我给你回信的4美分跌到接近3美分。 我相信即使按照你新预算16万美元的开支,在当前的市场情况下,也足以将bts价格推向2美分。

我个人和社区部分成员有如下的几个意见,想和你探讨一下:

1)社区已经支持了50%以上的希腊会议经费。剩余部分是否可以由参加会议的人员自己垫付?
2)个人垫付的部分由社区发行UIA资产(marketing fund)相应予以补偿,这些资产可以流通,社区在适当的时候予以回购并赋予该资产持有者相应的荣誉。
3)24个参会者的数目应该至少削减到15个。

谢谢
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Thanks to lin5464 for the translation.

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In light of recent discussions about worker funding and the voting shift with refund 400k worker, and considering a down payment and commitment has been made for the sponsorship I want to make the following update and amendments to the worker budget to ensure continued funding so that the sponsorship fee will not be money down the drain.

鉴于最近对工人提案注资的讨论以及投票转移到refund 400k提案,考虑到对去中心化峰会已作出的承诺和已支付的订金,为了确保本提案能持续获得注资以及赞助费不被白白浪费掉,我想对此提案预算作出以下更新和修订。

For tax purposes, payment of the sponsorship costs was handed over to the BBF. This saves us the VAT calculated in the original worker while incurring a 5% escrow cost, bringing the total sponsorship cost to  116.5k instead of 135.5 for a saving of 19k USD.

出于税务上的考虑,赞助费用的款项已交由BBF托管。这虽然增加了5%的托管手续费,但节省了原提案中需要缴纳的增值税,此举使得赞助费从135.5k美元减少到116.5k美元,省下了19k美元。

Additionally at least 4 of the core team members who will be attending will have their travel/accommodation covered by the Core Team worker's existing conference budget for a minimum savings of another 8k USD.

此外,参加峰会的核心团队成员中至少有4人的差旅/住宿费将由核心团队现有的提案会议预算支付,最低可节省8k美元。

Furthermore I will attempt to ensure that the average per person accommodation and travel cost for the remaining 20 slots does not exceed 1.5k  for a minimum savings of 10k USD.

而且我将努力确保其余20个名额的人均住宿费和差费不超过1.5k美元,最低节省10k美元。

Finally, I will negotiate the promotional material production (video, leaflets etc.) down to 5k USD for another 2k savings and cut the unexpected expenses buffer to just 500$ for another 1k USD saved.

最后,我会协商将宣传材料的制作费用(视频、传单等)减少到5000美元以节省2000美元,并将不可预见费用削减到500美元以节省1000美元。

This brings the total MAXIMUM cost of the worker down to 160k USD which is a 20% decrease from the original plan.

这使得此提案的最高预算成本下降到16万美元,比原计划减少了20%。

I hope this will be better suited to the community and people will reevaluate their voting slates.

希望这将更符合社区的期望,愿社区成员能重新评估你们的投票。

Thank you,

谢谢!

Alex

亚历克斯

P.S. I should point out that this (like last year's) worker has NO management fee and I get NO reimbursement of any kind for planning/organising it apart from entry to the event. I'm working on it simply because I truly believe it will be beneficial to the platform.

附注:我要指出的是, (和去年一样)此提案没有管理费,除了参加活动外,我没有获得任何形式的计划/组织回扣。我之所以致力于此只是因为我真心相信这将有益于平台。

Is this @cn-vote's "official" response?

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Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2019, 02:36:37 pm »
BTS 的抵押 机制,只有 爆仓就归系统销毁,这种手段 才能真的上涨,才能解救BTS,不然只要能有黄单吃的这种情况存在,都会被人砸盘吃黄单还ZB杠杆,所以真的没救了。

5年过去了。5年啊,5年多都过去了,难道还不醒醒?难道还不立即  马上 执行 新方案?难道还要等不死那天不醒?这么明显的问题罢在哪,全是傻的吗?我就是傻了,买了这垃圾!

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Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2019, 02:50:29 pm »
@twitter is NOT authorized spokesperson of cn-vote.

I've talked with the cn-vote team and they will be giving an official response soon.


尊敬的Alex先生,

首先感谢你重新削减了会议开支。不出我所料,bts的价格已经从上次我给你回信的4美分跌到接近3美分。 我相信即使按照你新预算16万美元的开支,在当前的市场情况下,也足以将bts价格推向2美分。

我个人和社区部分成员有如下的几个意见,想和你探讨一下:

1)社区已经支持了50%以上的希腊会议经费。剩余部分是否可以由参加会议的人员自己垫付?
2)个人垫付的部分由社区发行UIA资产(marketing fund)相应予以补偿,这些资产可以流通,社区在适当的时候予以回购并赋予该资产持有者相应的荣誉。
3)24个参会者的数目应该至少削减到15个。

谢谢
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Thanks to lin5464 for the translation.

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In light of recent discussions about worker funding and the voting shift with refund 400k worker, and considering a down payment and commitment has been made for the sponsorship I want to make the following update and amendments to the worker budget to ensure continued funding so that the sponsorship fee will not be money down the drain.

鉴于最近对工人提案注资的讨论以及投票转移到refund 400k提案,考虑到对去中心化峰会已作出的承诺和已支付的订金,为了确保本提案能持续获得注资以及赞助费不被白白浪费掉,我想对此提案预算作出以下更新和修订。

For tax purposes, payment of the sponsorship costs was handed over to the BBF. This saves us the VAT calculated in the original worker while incurring a 5% escrow cost, bringing the total sponsorship cost to  116.5k instead of 135.5 for a saving of 19k USD.

出于税务上的考虑,赞助费用的款项已交由BBF托管。这虽然增加了5%的托管手续费,但节省了原提案中需要缴纳的增值税,此举使得赞助费从135.5k美元减少到116.5k美元,省下了19k美元。

Additionally at least 4 of the core team members who will be attending will have their travel/accommodation covered by the Core Team worker's existing conference budget for a minimum savings of another 8k USD.

此外,参加峰会的核心团队成员中至少有4人的差旅/住宿费将由核心团队现有的提案会议预算支付,最低可节省8k美元。

Furthermore I will attempt to ensure that the average per person accommodation and travel cost for the remaining 20 slots does not exceed 1.5k  for a minimum savings of 10k USD.

而且我将努力确保其余20个名额的人均住宿费和差费不超过1.5k美元,最低节省10k美元。

Finally, I will negotiate the promotional material production (video, leaflets etc.) down to 5k USD for another 2k savings and cut the unexpected expenses buffer to just 500$ for another 1k USD saved.

最后,我会协商将宣传材料的制作费用(视频、传单等)减少到5000美元以节省2000美元,并将不可预见费用削减到500美元以节省1000美元。

This brings the total MAXIMUM cost of the worker down to 160k USD which is a 20% decrease from the original plan.

这使得此提案的最高预算成本下降到16万美元,比原计划减少了20%。

I hope this will be better suited to the community and people will reevaluate their voting slates.

希望这将更符合社区的期望,愿社区成员能重新评估你们的投票。

Thank you,

谢谢!

Alex

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P.S. I should point out that this (like last year's) worker has NO management fee and I get NO reimbursement of any kind for planning/organising it apart from entry to the event. I'm working on it simply because I truly believe it will be beneficial to the platform.

附注:我要指出的是, (和去年一样)此提案没有管理费,除了参加活动外,我没有获得任何形式的计划/组织回扣。我之所以致力于此只是因为我真心相信这将有益于平台。

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Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2019, 04:11:11 pm »
48h passed.


@Cn-Vote

Please find a consensus on it as i still see no active communitcation.

Should there be no active progress in next 24h i will remove my vote from refund400k

I'm very sorry, sir. Now let me officially reply to you on behalf of the cn-vote community.
Again, I apologize for replying to you so late,because our community has had a heated discussion about this worker.
Now, give you our official reply:We don't agree with the follow-up expenditure of this worker, or even oppose it.
Reason:
1:The conference had little influence.
2:Too many participants and not transparent.
3:Expenses are too high.
4:The Bishares'secondary market is too weak to withstand the crash of worker expenditure.
Considering the current price of BitShares, we would rather give up our previous expenditure than see errors occur,After all, we have evidence that previous this worker's cash-outs caused a sharp drop in  price of BitShares.
We're sorry to see this happen, but winter seems to be coming. We need to spend this winter, so cut down on all unnecessary expenses.

Finally, I hope you vote for refund400k worker again. After all, winter is coming and we need to spend it together because we are the real family.


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Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2019, 04:19:02 pm »
Thanks to lin5464 for the translation.

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In light of recent discussions about worker funding and the voting shift with refund 400k worker, and considering a down payment and commitment has been made for the sponsorship I want to make the following update and amendments to the worker budget to ensure continued funding so that the sponsorship fee will not be money down the drain.

鉴于最近对工人提案注资的讨论以及投票转移到refund 400k提案,考虑到对去中心化峰会已作出的承诺和已支付的订金,为了确保本提案能持续获得注资以及赞助费不被白白浪费掉,我想对此提案预算作出以下更新和修订。

For tax purposes, payment of the sponsorship costs was handed over to the BBF. This saves us the VAT calculated in the original worker while incurring a 5% escrow cost, bringing the total sponsorship cost to  116.5k instead of 135.5 for a saving of 19k USD.

出于税务上的考虑,赞助费用的款项已交由BBF托管。这虽然增加了5%的托管手续费,但节省了原提案中需要缴纳的增值税,此举使得赞助费从135.5k美元减少到116.5k美元,省下了19k美元。

Additionally at least 4 of the core team members who will be attending will have their travel/accommodation covered by the Core Team worker's existing conference budget for a minimum savings of another 8k USD.

此外,参加峰会的核心团队成员中至少有4人的差旅/住宿费将由核心团队现有的提案会议预算支付,最低可节省8k美元。

Furthermore I will attempt to ensure that the average per person accommodation and travel cost for the remaining 20 slots does not exceed 1.5k  for a minimum savings of 10k USD.

而且我将努力确保其余20个名额的人均住宿费和差费不超过1.5k美元,最低节省10k美元。

Finally, I will negotiate the promotional material production (video, leaflets etc.) down to 5k USD for another 2k savings and cut the unexpected expenses buffer to just 500$ for another 1k USD saved.

最后,我会协商将宣传材料的制作费用(视频、传单等)减少到5000美元以节省2000美元,并将不可预见费用削减到500美元以节省1000美元。

This brings the total MAXIMUM cost of the worker down to 160k USD which is a 20% decrease from the original plan.

这使得此提案的最高预算成本下降到16万美元,比原计划减少了20%。

I hope this will be better suited to the community and people will reevaluate their voting slates.

希望这将更符合社区的期望,愿社区成员能重新评估你们的投票。

Thank you,

谢谢!

Alex

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P.S. I should point out that this (like last year's) worker has NO management fee and I get NO reimbursement of any kind for planning/organising it apart from entry to the event. I'm working on it simply because I truly believe it will be beneficial to the platform.

附注:我要指出的是, (和去年一样)此提案没有管理费,除了参加活动外,我没有获得任何形式的计划/组织回扣。我之所以致力于此只是因为我真心相信这将有益于平台。

I'm very sorry, sir. Now let me officially reply to you on behalf of the cn-vote community.
Again, I apologize for replying to you so late,because our community has had a heated discussion about this worker.
Now, give you our official reply:We don't agree with the follow-up expenditure of this worker, or even oppose it.
Reason:
1:The conference had little influence.
2:Too many participants and not transparent.
3:Expenses are too high.
4:The Bishares'secondary market is too weak to withstand the crash of worker expenditure.
Considering the current price of BitShares, we would rather give up our previous expenditure than see errors occur,After all, we have evidence that previous this worker's cash-outs caused a sharp drop in  price of BitShares.
I'm sorry to see this happen, but it represents the appeal of most people in our cn-vote.

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« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2019, 05:24:00 pm »
Thanks to lin5464 for the translation.

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In light of recent discussions about worker funding and the voting shift with refund 400k worker, and considering a down payment and commitment has been made for the sponsorship I want to make the following update and amendments to the worker budget to ensure continued funding so that the sponsorship fee will not be money down the drain.

鉴于最近对工人提案注资的讨论以及投票转移到refund 400k提案,考虑到对去中心化峰会已作出的承诺和已支付的订金,为了确保本提案能持续获得注资以及赞助费不被白白浪费掉,我想对此提案预算作出以下更新和修订。

For tax purposes, payment of the sponsorship costs was handed over to the BBF. This saves us the VAT calculated in the original worker while incurring a 5% escrow cost, bringing the total sponsorship cost to  116.5k instead of 135.5 for a saving of 19k USD.

出于税务上的考虑,赞助费用的款项已交由BBF托管。这虽然增加了5%的托管手续费,但节省了原提案中需要缴纳的增值税,此举使得赞助费从135.5k美元减少到116.5k美元,省下了19k美元。

Additionally at least 4 of the core team members who will be attending will have their travel/accommodation covered by the Core Team worker's existing conference budget for a minimum savings of another 8k USD.

此外,参加峰会的核心团队成员中至少有4人的差旅/住宿费将由核心团队现有的提案会议预算支付,最低可节省8k美元。

Furthermore I will attempt to ensure that the average per person accommodation and travel cost for the remaining 20 slots does not exceed 1.5k  for a minimum savings of 10k USD.

而且我将努力确保其余20个名额的人均住宿费和差费不超过1.5k美元,最低节省10k美元。

Finally, I will negotiate the promotional material production (video, leaflets etc.) down to 5k USD for another 2k savings and cut the unexpected expenses buffer to just 500$ for another 1k USD saved.

最后,我会协商将宣传材料的制作费用(视频、传单等)减少到5000美元以节省2000美元,并将不可预见费用削减到500美元以节省1000美元。

This brings the total MAXIMUM cost of the worker down to 160k USD which is a 20% decrease from the original plan.

这使得此提案的最高预算成本下降到16万美元,比原计划减少了20%。

I hope this will be better suited to the community and people will reevaluate their voting slates.

希望这将更符合社区的期望,愿社区成员能重新评估你们的投票。

Thank you,

谢谢!

Alex

亚历克斯

P.S. I should point out that this (like last year's) worker has NO management fee and I get NO reimbursement of any kind for planning/organising it apart from entry to the event. I'm working on it simply because I truly believe it will be beneficial to the platform.

附注:我要指出的是, (和去年一样)此提案没有管理费,除了参加活动外,我没有获得任何形式的计划/组织回扣。我之所以致力于此只是因为我真心相信这将有益于平台。

I'm very sorry, sir. Now let me officially reply to you on behalf of the cn-vote community.
Again, I apologize for replying to you so late,because our community has had a heated discussion about this worker.
Now, give you our official reply:We don't agree with the follow-up expenditure of this worker, or even oppose it.
Reason:
1:The conference had little influence.
2:Too many participants and not transparent.
3:Expenses are too high.
4:The Bishares'secondary market is too weak to withstand the crash of worker expenditure.
Considering the current price of BitShares, we would rather give up our previous expenditure than see errors occur,After all, we have evidence that previous this worker's cash-outs caused a sharp drop in  price of BitShares.
I'm sorry to see this happen, but it represents the appeal of most people in our cn-vote.

Hello there,

I have two questions for you if I may:

A) are you not concerned about damage to reputation and brand, and seriousness of BitShares? That can't be attractive go investors.

B) can you present the evidence please that this worker is linked to sharp drop?

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Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2019, 09:23:23 pm »
A related thread: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=29583.0

开会和机器人这些提案不是无关紧要,但是拿100块至少要创造出100块的价值,而不是拿100块只创造出1块的价值。

如果用100万可以让特朗普再维特上赞美比特股,为什么不能?

相反DEXBOT花了几百万,说是让比特股增加流动量,但是有哪个机器人需要花1年多还有几百万还没写完的?所以他们实际上只是想圈钱,挖比特股的资金池。

最后提醒一句,那个Thul3的代理人账号是b-dex,手上有9千多万票,他撤出Refund 400K的话,很多提案会重新活跃,继续吸血,所以工会最好和他谈一谈。
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Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2019, 10:09:41 pm »
多花点钱做点PR,拉点新人,一部分钱给做市机构,太务实也不行,币圈还是虚虚实实路子,埋头苦干,币圈机构和韭菜们根本不知道,现在bitshares越来越不接地气(币圈气)了。

A related thread: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=29583.0

开会和机器人这些提案不是无关紧要,但是拿100块至少要创造出100块的价值,而不是拿100块只创造出1块的价值。

如果用100万可以让特朗普再维特上赞美比特股,为什么不能?

相反DEXBOT花了几百万,说是让比特股增加流动量,但是有哪个机器人需要花1年多还有几百万还没写完的?所以他们实际上只是想圈钱,挖比特股的资金池。

最后提醒一句,那个Thul3的代理人账号是b-dex,手上有9千多万票,他撤出Refund 400K的话,很多提案会重新活跃,继续吸血,所以工会最好和他谈一谈。

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Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2019, 11:49:47 pm »
Thanks to lin5464 for the translation.

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In light of recent discussions about worker funding and the voting shift with refund 400k worker, and considering a down payment and commitment has been made for the sponsorship I want to make the following update and amendments to the worker budget to ensure continued funding so that the sponsorship fee will not be money down the drain.

鉴于最近对工人提案注资的讨论以及投票转移到refund 400k提案,考虑到对去中心化峰会已作出的承诺和已支付的订金,为了确保本提案能持续获得注资以及赞助费不被白白浪费掉,我想对此提案预算作出以下更新和修订。

For tax purposes, payment of the sponsorship costs was handed over to the BBF. This saves us the VAT calculated in the original worker while incurring a 5% escrow cost, bringing the total sponsorship cost to  116.5k instead of 135.5 for a saving of 19k USD.

出于税务上的考虑,赞助费用的款项已交由BBF托管。这虽然增加了5%的托管手续费,但节省了原提案中需要缴纳的增值税,此举使得赞助费从135.5k美元减少到116.5k美元,省下了19k美元。

Additionally at least 4 of the core team members who will be attending will have their travel/accommodation covered by the Core Team worker's existing conference budget for a minimum savings of another 8k USD.

此外,参加峰会的核心团队成员中至少有4人的差旅/住宿费将由核心团队现有的提案会议预算支付,最低可节省8k美元。

Furthermore I will attempt to ensure that the average per person accommodation and travel cost for the remaining 20 slots does not exceed 1.5k  for a minimum savings of 10k USD.

而且我将努力确保其余20个名额的人均住宿费和差费不超过1.5k美元,最低节省10k美元。

Finally, I will negotiate the promotional material production (video, leaflets etc.) down to 5k USD for another 2k savings and cut the unexpected expenses buffer to just 500$ for another 1k USD saved.

最后,我会协商将宣传材料的制作费用(视频、传单等)减少到5000美元以节省2000美元,并将不可预见费用削减到500美元以节省1000美元。

This brings the total MAXIMUM cost of the worker down to 160k USD which is a 20% decrease from the original plan.

这使得此提案的最高预算成本下降到16万美元,比原计划减少了20%。

I hope this will be better suited to the community and people will reevaluate their voting slates.

希望这将更符合社区的期望,愿社区成员能重新评估你们的投票。

Thank you,

谢谢!

Alex

亚历克斯

P.S. I should point out that this (like last year's) worker has NO management fee and I get NO reimbursement of any kind for planning/organising it apart from entry to the event. I'm working on it simply because I truly believe it will be beneficial to the platform.

附注:我要指出的是, (和去年一样)此提案没有管理费,除了参加活动外,我没有获得任何形式的计划/组织回扣。我之所以致力于此只是因为我真心相信这将有益于平台。

I'm very sorry, sir. Now let me officially reply to you on behalf of the cn-vote community.
Again, I apologize for replying to you so late,because our community has had a heated discussion about this worker.
Now, give you our official reply:We don't agree with the follow-up expenditure of this worker, or even oppose it.
Reason:
1:The conference had little influence.
2:Too many participants and not transparent.
3:Expenses are too high.
4:The Bishares'secondary market is too weak to withstand the crash of worker expenditure.
Considering the current price of BitShares, we would rather give up our previous expenditure than see errors occur,After all, we have evidence that previous this worker's cash-outs caused a sharp drop in  price of BitShares.
I'm sorry to see this happen, but it represents the appeal of most people in our cn-vote.

Thanks for the official response. I respect your decision but would like to answer all your points and clarify them for BitShares holders as there appears to be misinformation for this worker and thus some holders may reconsider their proxy support

1. The conference could not have had "little influence" as it hasn't actually occurred yet. It's taking place at the end of October.

As to the POSSIBLE influence it could have, I invite and beg BitShares holders to have an IN DEPTH look at the agenda and speakers of the conference over at https://www.decentralized.com/business-technology-track/#_Speakers , https://www.decentralized.com/agenda-2019/ and the rest of the site.

2. The number of participants was set by the number of slots included in the partnership package. Please remember this is a partnership and BitShares is CO-PRESENTING this conference. We are NOT simple attendees.

As such, it is expected and appropriate to have MULTIPLE key members and businesses represented. As far as transparency in the selection process is concerned, the selection has not happened yet.  The proposal itself mentions who and why was already selected prior to the proposal and the rest of the (non-speaking) attendees would be decided AFTER the speaking slots were filled. May I remind you that I am STILL waiting for a CN community selection and/or business to step up which was the original point of this thread. Yet no-one has expressed any interest to represent the CN community while I'm practically begging for someone to do so and would be cost-free to those participants.

3. I disagree to an extent. I've provided MAXIMUM limits for those costs that are not fixed but the plan is to have them cost as little as possible. Flights/accommodation/press material is at standard/expected rates (obvs flight costs will vary wildly per location). The arguably high cost is the cost of the partnership itself (essentially paying for organising it as co-presenters). Having experienced the last one, I can tell you it's a good price for the quality and size of the event. @fox and others can confirm.

What's more, due to the commitment and the funds already gathered, that cost will be paid in full if possible (it's very touch and go) as I find it highly insulting, unprofessional and a tremendous hit on BitShares reputation (which is not great to start with) to pull out of the deal. Obviously, with no additional funding and depending on the market, we might still have to pull out of the event anyway.

4. There has only been two "periods" of cashing out BTS to pay the partnership costs. All order details/logs are at the https://workers.bitshares.foundation/ site. Combined with the charts from the periods in question there is NO significant effect from those as I've specifically requested to the BBF that selling is done slowly and carefully to not affect the market.

So with all due respect, I'm sorry to say that your claim that you have evidence cashing out caused a "sharp drop" in BTS price is frankly BS.

This is a marketing opportunity, one designed to make a big splash and provide a space and platform for the rest of the crypto world to meet and interact with the BitShares community and learn more about the businesses working with BitShares and finally shaking off the "scam" accusations that have followed us for years. Hence the size of the event and the number of participants as I wanted the BitShares community to be VERY WELL represented there.

I would also like to point out that I am receiving NO FEE or payment for doing this. I am only doing it because I think it will have a positive effect ALL BTS holders will benefit from. And with >16 years work in the marketing & advertising industry I actually do know what I'm talking about.

Finally, I can understand the CN community (and especially debt-holders) concerns about BTS possibly dropping to 0 and them losing their investments so they take ANY step possible to avoid even the TINIEST movement downwards.

Just be careful that you don't turn it into a self-fulfilling prophecy with your actions.

If people of the CN community really care about BitShares, I hope you will all read what I wrote carefully and think about things as well as visit the links provided to see for yourselves. If after that some of you change your mind, please consider (temporarily) modifying your voting slate so the decentralized worker is voted back in. If you don't , keep proxying to cn-vote.

I will accept all decisions (positive and negative) as long as they're WELL INFORMED and take all aspects into account. After all this is how business decisions are made. This is not a playground.

Thank you for your time.

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« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2019, 01:41:30 am »
Actually, AFAIK, from the CN community, both MagicWallet and GuoAn have interest in speaking in the conference. They do have concerns about their own costs.

I think, if unable to get enough funding from the worker, perhaps we can look for individual sponsors to support the speakers who lack of funding?
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« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2019, 02:25:43 am »
Thanks to lin5464 for the translation.

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In light of recent discussions about worker funding and the voting shift with refund 400k worker, and considering a down payment and commitment has been made for the sponsorship I want to make the following update and amendments to the worker budget to ensure continued funding so that the sponsorship fee will not be money down the drain.

鉴于最近对工人提案注资的讨论以及投票转移到refund 400k提案,考虑到对去中心化峰会已作出的承诺和已支付的订金,为了确保本提案能持续获得注资以及赞助费不被白白浪费掉,我想对此提案预算作出以下更新和修订。

For tax purposes, payment of the sponsorship costs was handed over to the BBF. This saves us the VAT calculated in the original worker while incurring a 5% escrow cost, bringing the total sponsorship cost to  116.5k instead of 135.5 for a saving of 19k USD.

出于税务上的考虑,赞助费用的款项已交由BBF托管。这虽然增加了5%的托管手续费,但节省了原提案中需要缴纳的增值税,此举使得赞助费从135.5k美元减少到116.5k美元,省下了19k美元。

Additionally at least 4 of the core team members who will be attending will have their travel/accommodation covered by the Core Team worker's existing conference budget for a minimum savings of another 8k USD.

此外,参加峰会的核心团队成员中至少有4人的差旅/住宿费将由核心团队现有的提案会议预算支付,最低可节省8k美元。

Furthermore I will attempt to ensure that the average per person accommodation and travel cost for the remaining 20 slots does not exceed 1.5k  for a minimum savings of 10k USD.

而且我将努力确保其余20个名额的人均住宿费和差费不超过1.5k美元,最低节省10k美元。

Finally, I will negotiate the promotional material production (video, leaflets etc.) down to 5k USD for another 2k savings and cut the unexpected expenses buffer to just 500$ for another 1k USD saved.

最后,我会协商将宣传材料的制作费用(视频、传单等)减少到5000美元以节省2000美元,并将不可预见费用削减到500美元以节省1000美元。

This brings the total MAXIMUM cost of the worker down to 160k USD which is a 20% decrease from the original plan.

这使得此提案的最高预算成本下降到16万美元,比原计划减少了20%。

I hope this will be better suited to the community and people will reevaluate their voting slates.

希望这将更符合社区的期望,愿社区成员能重新评估你们的投票。

Thank you,

谢谢!

Alex

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P.S. I should point out that this (like last year's) worker has NO management fee and I get NO reimbursement of any kind for planning/organising it apart from entry to the event. I'm working on it simply because I truly believe it will be beneficial to the platform.

附注:我要指出的是, (和去年一样)此提案没有管理费,除了参加活动外,我没有获得任何形式的计划/组织回扣。我之所以致力于此只是因为我真心相信这将有益于平台。

I'm very sorry, sir. Now let me officially reply to you on behalf of the cn-vote community.
Again, I apologize for replying to you so late,because our community has had a heated discussion about this worker.
Now, give you our official reply:We don't agree with the follow-up expenditure of this worker, or even oppose it.
Reason:
1:The conference had little influence.
2:Too many participants and not transparent.
3:Expenses are too high.
4:The Bishares'secondary market is too weak to withstand the crash of worker expenditure.
Considering the current price of BitShares, we would rather give up our previous expenditure than see errors occur,After all, we have evidence that previous this worker's cash-outs caused a sharp drop in  price of BitShares.
I'm sorry to see this happen, but it represents the appeal of most people in our cn-vote.

Thanks for the official response. I respect your decision but would like to answer all your points and clarify them for BitShares holders as there appears to be misinformation for this worker and thus some holders may reconsider their proxy support

1. The conference could not have had "little influence" as it hasn't actually occurred yet. It's taking place at the end of October.

As to the POSSIBLE influence it could have, I invite and beg BitShares holders to have an IN DEPTH look at the agenda and speakers of the conference over at https://www.decentralized.com/business-technology-track/#_Speakers , https://www.decentralized.com/agenda-2019/ and the rest of the site.

2. The number of participants was set by the number of slots included in the partnership package. Please remember this is a partnership and BitShares is CO-PRESENTING this conference. We are NOT simple attendees.

As such, it is expected and appropriate to have MULTIPLE key members and businesses represented. As far as transparency in the selection process is concerned, the selection has not happened yet.  The proposal itself mentions who and why was already selected prior to the proposal and the rest of the (non-speaking) attendees would be decided AFTER the speaking slots were filled. May I remind you that I am STILL waiting for a CN community selection and/or business to step up which was the original point of this thread. Yet no-one has expressed any interest to represent the CN community while I'm practically begging for someone to do so and would be cost-free to those participants.

3. I disagree to an extent. I've provided MAXIMUM limits for those costs that are not fixed but the plan is to have them cost as little as possible. Flights/accommodation/press material is at standard/expected rates (obvs flight costs will vary wildly per location). The arguably high cost is the cost of the partnership itself (essentially paying for organising it as co-presenters). Having experienced the last one, I can tell you it's a good price for the quality and size of the event. @fox and others can confirm.

What's more, due to the commitment and the funds already gathered, that cost will be paid in full if possible (it's very touch and go) as I find it highly insulting, unprofessional and a tremendous hit on BitShares reputation (which is not great to start with) to pull out of the deal. Obviously, with no additional funding and depending on the market, we might still have to pull out of the event anyway.

4. There has only been two "periods" of cashing out BTS to pay the partnership costs. All order details/logs are at the https://workers.bitshares.foundation/ site. Combined with the charts from the periods in question there is NO significant effect from those as I've specifically requested to the BBF that selling is done slowly and carefully to not affect the market.

So with all due respect, I'm sorry to say that your claim that you have evidence cashing out caused a "sharp drop" in BTS price is frankly BS.

This is a marketing opportunity, one designed to make a big splash and provide a space and platform for the rest of the crypto world to meet and interact with the BitShares community and learn more about the businesses working with BitShares and finally shaking off the "scam" accusations that have followed us for years. Hence the size of the event and the number of participants as I wanted the BitShares community to be VERY WELL represented there.

I would also like to point out that I am receiving NO FEE or payment for doing this. I am only doing it because I think it will have a positive effect ALL BTS holders will benefit from. And with >16 years work in the marketing & advertising industry I actually do know what I'm talking about.

Finally, I can understand the CN community (and especially debt-holders) concerns about BTS possibly dropping to 0 and them losing their investments so they take ANY step possible to avoid even the TINIEST movement downwards.

Just be careful that you don't turn it into a self-fulfilling prophecy with your actions.

If people of the CN community really care about BitShares, I hope you will all read what I wrote carefully and think about things as well as visit the links provided to see for yourselves. If after that some of you change your mind, please consider (temporarily) modifying your voting slate so the decentralized worker is voted back in. If you don't , keep proxying to cn-vote.

I will accept all decisions (positive and negative) as long as they're WELL INFORMED and take all aspects into account. After all this is how business decisions are made. This is not a playground.

Thank you for your time.

Alex

I'm sorry to see this happen, but it represents the appeal of most people in our cn-vote.This is the result of our democratic vote.
We just represent ourselves,We just represent cn-vote.
After all, regardless of the debate, We all want bitshares to be better.
I have explained our results.You can fight for another vote. We respect the final result.Only in this way can the fairness of BitShares be reflected.

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Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2019, 03:00:30 am »
Thanks to lin5464 for the translation.

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In light of recent discussions about worker funding and the voting shift with refund 400k worker, and considering a down payment and commitment has been made for the sponsorship I want to make the following update and amendments to the worker budget to ensure continued funding so that the sponsorship fee will not be money down the drain.

鉴于最近对工人提案注资的讨论以及投票转移到refund 400k提案,考虑到对去中心化峰会已作出的承诺和已支付的订金,为了确保本提案能持续获得注资以及赞助费不被白白浪费掉,我想对此提案预算作出以下更新和修订。

For tax purposes, payment of the sponsorship costs was handed over to the BBF. This saves us the VAT calculated in the original worker while incurring a 5% escrow cost, bringing the total sponsorship cost to  116.5k instead of 135.5 for a saving of 19k USD.

出于税务上的考虑,赞助费用的款项已交由BBF托管。这虽然增加了5%的托管手续费,但节省了原提案中需要缴纳的增值税,此举使得赞助费从135.5k美元减少到116.5k美元,省下了19k美元。

Additionally at least 4 of the core team members who will be attending will have their travel/accommodation covered by the Core Team worker's existing conference budget for a minimum savings of another 8k USD.

此外,参加峰会的核心团队成员中至少有4人的差旅/住宿费将由核心团队现有的提案会议预算支付,最低可节省8k美元。

Furthermore I will attempt to ensure that the average per person accommodation and travel cost for the remaining 20 slots does not exceed 1.5k  for a minimum savings of 10k USD.

而且我将努力确保其余20个名额的人均住宿费和差费不超过1.5k美元,最低节省10k美元。

Finally, I will negotiate the promotional material production (video, leaflets etc.) down to 5k USD for another 2k savings and cut the unexpected expenses buffer to just 500$ for another 1k USD saved.

最后,我会协商将宣传材料的制作费用(视频、传单等)减少到5000美元以节省2000美元,并将不可预见费用削减到500美元以节省1000美元。

This brings the total MAXIMUM cost of the worker down to 160k USD which is a 20% decrease from the original plan.

这使得此提案的最高预算成本下降到16万美元,比原计划减少了20%。

I hope this will be better suited to the community and people will reevaluate their voting slates.

希望这将更符合社区的期望,愿社区成员能重新评估你们的投票。

Thank you,

谢谢!

Alex

亚历克斯

P.S. I should point out that this (like last year's) worker has NO management fee and I get NO reimbursement of any kind for planning/organising it apart from entry to the event. I'm working on it simply because I truly believe it will be beneficial to the platform.

附注:我要指出的是, (和去年一样)此提案没有管理费,除了参加活动外,我没有获得任何形式的计划/组织回扣。我之所以致力于此只是因为我真心相信这将有益于平台。

I'm very sorry, sir. Now let me officially reply to you on behalf of the cn-vote community.
Again, I apologize for replying to you so late,because our community has had a heated discussion about this worker.
Now, give you our official reply:We don't agree with the follow-up expenditure of this worker, or even oppose it.
Reason:
1:The conference had little influence.
2:Too many participants and not transparent.
3:Expenses are too high.
4:The Bishares'secondary market is too weak to withstand the crash of worker expenditure.
Considering the current price of BitShares, we would rather give up our previous expenditure than see errors occur,After all, we have evidence that previous this worker's cash-outs caused a sharp drop in  price of BitShares.
I'm sorry to see this happen, but it represents the appeal of most people in our cn-vote.

Hello there,

I have two questions for you if I may:

A) are you not concerned about damage to reputation and brand, and seriousness of BitShares? That can't be attractive go investors.

B) can you present the evidence please that this worker is linked to sharp drop?


A)I'm sorry to see this happen, but it represents the appeal of most people in our cn-vote.This is the result of our democratic vote.We respect the final result of the vote.
   We just represent ourselves,We just represent cn-vote.
   All of our BTSers want better bitshares, whether it's the price of BTS or the future of bitshares.Because we are the real BTSers.Isn't it?
B)All transactions in bitshares are transparent.And you can observe the price of bts changes at that time.

   

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Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2019, 09:49:02 am »
Actually, AFAIK, from the CN community, both MagicWallet and GuoAn have interest in speaking in the conference. They do have concerns about their own costs.

I think, if unable to get enough funding from the worker, perhaps we can look for individual sponsors to support the speakers who lack of funding?

Seeing as I believe we will be able to just about fund the sponsorship and attendance/flights/accommodation of the 4 speakers at the very least, can someone help me get in touch with them?

Or they can reach out to me on TG @clockworkgr or WeChat id: clockworkgr

Organisers need me to finalise the speaker list ASAP.

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Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« Reply #40 on: September 05, 2019, 02:01:41 pm »
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All of our BTSers want better bitshares, whether it's the price of BTS or the future of bitshares.Because we are the real BTSers.Isn't it?
Without the current core development workers, how would you have personally resolved today's blockchain halt? How long would it have taken you to deploy a fix to the network?
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