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AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« on: August 29, 2019, 10:08:33 pm »
Since today bitshares price tanked again from $0.035 to 0.0325 i was checking where it was caused.
Based on CMC Data it catched instantly my attention that poloniex has unnatural high volume .
I checked the BTS charts on poloniex and could see there was a big amount of BTS dumped on their market which couldn''t be seen on any other major exchange like Huobi or Binance.
You can see that many BTS have been send from poloniex to Binance during dump.Arbitrage or mirrored offer.
You can also see each time avg2907 is sending bigger amounts of BTS to poloniex at the same day a dump on poloniex accured.
You can also see on poloniex wallet that each time he sent a bigger amount to poloniex a few hours later bigger amounts of BTS (before dump) were sent to Huobi-Pro , ZB , AEX , Binance

Please check yourself and give your input to it

His profil
http://bts.ai/u/avg2907

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http://bts.ai/u/poloniexwallet


CMC screenshot




Dump today




Dump before.Please check each time avg2907 is sending bigger amount of BTS to poloniex at the same day accures a big dump


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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2019, 08:49:57 am »
i think most people dotn use polo in their price feeds for this exact reason....

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2019, 11:58:40 pm »
AVG moving again 2 million BTS to poloniex.From there again bigger amount to Binance.

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2019, 12:06:16 am »
AVG moving again 2 million BTS to poloniex.From there again bigger amount to Binance.
The true is, we can't stop him.

Maybe he like to do these thing.

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2019, 12:08:43 am »
AVG moving again 2 million BTS to poloniex.From there again bigger amount to Binance.
The true is, we can't stop him.

Maybe he like to do these thing.

A liquid market of major assets and arbitrage bot could stop it.
In my opinion a key factor for bitshares to stop these dumps and create real price support.
Getting active instead of waiting.

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2019, 12:15:33 am »
AVG moving again 2 million BTS to poloniex.From there again bigger amount to Binance.
The true is, we can't stop him.

Maybe he like to do these thing.

A liquid market of major assets and arbitrage bot could stop it.
In my opinion a key factor for bitshares to stop these dumps and create real price support.
Getting active instead of waiting.

That's need fund and more BTC or USDT, we can't afford for this.

or make the Bitusd/BTS market more active.

The bots always kill each other.
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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2019, 12:24:02 am »
AVG moving again 2 million BTS to poloniex.From there again bigger amount to Binance.
The true is, we can't stop him.

Maybe he like to do these thing.



A liquid market of major assets and arbitrage bot could stop it.
In my opinion a key factor for bitshares to stop these dumps and create real price support.
Getting active instead of waiting.

That's need fund and more BTC or USDT, we can't afford for this.

or make the Bitusd/BTS market more active.

BitUSD won't quickly support price on CEX.
Question is what is better to invest $50k for trading (not spending) to catch the dumps or keep losing each time 5% of all debt on DEX.

Whats cheaper for the debt holders and what is more supportive for the BTS price
« Last Edit: August 31, 2019, 12:25:33 am by Thul3 »

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2019, 12:45:45 am »
We can't catch the dumps when it's huge.

or maybe change the price feed rule?

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28383.msg331192#msg331192
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28217.msg330181#msg330181

but i think we need these BSIP to prevent this kind price crash and give DEX some free:

https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/194
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/161
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/164

内盘价格做权重,必须做上下价格保护,喂价规则起码是这样,:

偏差率=P

喂价=内盘深度加权中间价*权重+外盘深度指数价格×(1+P)*权重

设一个上下价格保护: 外盘深度指数价格×(1+P)<喂价< (1.05+P)×外盘深度指数价格

P按照历史喂价的偏差数据看,一般在2%左右,可以按照自己的喂价与实际法币价格偏离情况进行调整。

这样就算是你按USD的官方汇率换算,内盘深度价格做大权重,你的喂价在极端情况下也不会偏离出多少。

这只是针对BITCNY的喂价, 其它的锚定资产需要另讨论。

或者是这位哥哥的:
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if
max(DEX*溢价、CEX1、CEX2……)≤ Average(DEX*溢价、CEX1、CEX2……)*1.05

feed price=max(DEX*溢价、CEX1、CEX2……)

otherwise

feed peice=Average(DEX*溢价、CEX1、CEX2……)*1.05

控制喂价下跌的速度,防止插针。

if

feed price(n)*0.97<feed price(n+1)<feed price(n)

feed price =feed price(n)*(1-0.5‰)

otherwise

feed price=feed price(n+1)
« Last Edit: August 31, 2019, 01:21:36 am by binggo »

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2019, 11:03:02 am »
but i think we need these BSIP to prevent this kind price crash and give DEX some free:

https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/194
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/161
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/164

None of your proposed BSIP does solve our problems.

Solutions:
1. Optimize price feeds
2. Increase liquidity
- CEX/DEX arbitrage
- margin position liquidity pool
- Introduce a gab between MCR and margin calls
-- MCR = 1.55 and margin calls only for CR < 1.45
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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2019, 11:56:43 am »
but i think we need these BSIP to prevent this kind price crash and give DEX some free:

https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/194
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/161
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/164

None of your proposed BSIP does solve our problems.

Solutions:
1. Optimize price feeds
2. Increase liquidity
- CEX/DEX arbitrage
- margin position liquidity pool
3. Introduce a gab between MCR and margin calls
- MCR = 1.55 and margin calls only for CR < 1.45

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2019, 02:39:33 pm »
I hope all witnesses will adopt the principle of maximum price.

That is mean, between the different exchange prices, the higher price is used as the feeding price.

This prevents whales from shorting at a very low cost on a single exchange.

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2019, 05:00:33 pm »
but i think we need these BSIP to prevent this kind price crash and give DEX some free:

https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/194
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/161
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/164

None of your proposed BSIP does solve our problems.

Solutions:
1. Optimize price feeds
2. Increase liquidity
- CEX/DEX arbitrage
- margin position liquidity pool
3. Introduce a gab between MCR and margin calls
- MCR = 1.55 and margin calls only for CR < 1.45

These are most.
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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2019, 06:28:18 pm »
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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2019, 07:45:50 pm »
AVG moving again 2 million BTS to poloniex.From there again bigger amount to Binance.
The true is, we can't stop him.

Maybe he like to do these thing.

A liquid market of major assets and arbitrage bot could stop it.
In my opinion a key factor for bitshares to stop these dumps and create real price support.
Getting active instead of waiting.

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2019, 12:56:33 am »
LOL
Is this your argument ?

I don't want any argument, anyone have their thought, think what they do or think is the right way.
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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2019, 09:27:53 am »
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Most of the USDT come from openledger-wallet and openledger-dex

not one person

very clever, know to dump every market
https://bts.ai/u/poloniexwallet

3M BTS can dump the price down 5.6%,  so perfect.
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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2019, 10:13:58 am »
Again dump on poloniex which caused again the price drop.

On huobi you can see somebody is trying to add sellpressure using 250k BTS without selling them



Here next bigger dump coming

http://bts.ai/u/avg2907
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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2019, 10:15:33 am »
Again dump on poloniex which caused again the price drop.

On huobi you can see somebody is trying to add sellpressure using 250k BTS without selling them

They are waiting the price feed down.

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2019, 10:16:58 am »
Again dump on poloniex which caused again the price drop.

On huobi you can see somebody is trying to add sellpressure using 250k BTS without selling them

They are waiting the price feed down.

Yes thats why a OMO fund on DEX only has no sense as attacks are being executed on CEX.

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2019, 11:11:54 am »
Again dump on poloniex which caused again the price drop.

On huobi you can see somebody is trying to add sellpressure using 250k BTS without selling them

They are waiting the price feed down.

Yes thats why a OMO fund on DEX only has no sense as attacks are being executed on CEX.

I think you need this:
https://trans.bitkk.com/lever/btsqc
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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2019, 11:24:06 am »
Yes thats why a OMO fund on DEX only has no sense as attacks are being executed on CEX.
At least not in the current form. Which modifications should we do?
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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2019, 12:20:42 pm »
Again dump on poloniex which caused again the price drop.

On huobi you can see somebody is trying to add sellpressure using 250k BTS without selling them

They are waiting the price feed down.

Yes thats why a OMO fund on DEX only has no sense as attacks are being executed on CEX.

I will give some solutions:

First step:
Implement this BSIP:https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/161

Second step:
Change the price feed rule; maybe i will give the details.

Third step:
Implement these BSIP:
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/164
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/194

Forth setp:
Use the market fee of bitasset and the fees from third step as a fund.

The fund will buy GDEX.BTC or OPEN.BTC, and will maintain the price in the market GDEX.BTC/BTS or OPEN.BTC/BTS when the price was dump down .

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2019, 07:09:41 pm »
First step:
Implement this BSIP:https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/161

Third step:
Implement these BSIP:
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/164
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/194
Why are you so ignorant ? Adding a penalty to margin positions with a margin call fee, does the exact opposite. Suppresses price further.

The solution is already in front of you, but you are blind:
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/182
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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2019, 09:04:46 pm »
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Most of the USDT come from openledger-wallet and openledger-dex

not one person
It's not the USDT that matters, it's the bitUSD that matters. OpenLedger is only a gateway.

The trader sells BTS for BTC at Poloniex and then sells BTC for USDT, then deposits USDT to the Dex via OpenLedger. To implement the loop, need some people to sell bitUSD to him for USDT.


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3M BTS can dump the price down 5.6%,  so perfect.
It looks like a flaw in the design of MPA that it's possible to dump 3M BTS to trigger margin call of 30M of BTS. My solution to this flaw was BSIP42: do not trigger margin calls when it's "unfair", either by reducing MCR or by feeding higher price. However, in a down trend, this solution may increase the possibility of a black swan event, which is again decided by the trading price regardless of liquidity or volume thus suffers the same flaw. On the other hand, it's hard to judge what's "fair", whether the reason to "protect" the debt position holders is strong enough.

Obviously, there is lack of incentive for traders to buy BTS. We need to attract capital to buy BTS, which is the only way to prevent the price from dropping. So the question become: what are the reasons for people to buy BTS or to hold BTS? How to value the BTS token, and how to add value to it? On this topic, I wrote some thoughts recently:
* https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/194
* https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/191
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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2019, 11:10:36 pm »
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this solution may increase the possibility of a black swan event
Global Settlement*. Since BSIP18 the black swan scenario has solutions, thus this term is outdated.

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2019, 11:13:09 pm »
First step:
Implement this BSIP:https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/161

Third step:
Implement these BSIP:
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/164
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/194
Why are you so ignorant ? Adding a penalty to margin positions with a margin call fee, does the exact opposite. Suppresses price further.

The solution is already in front of you, but you are blind:
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/182

You still didn't understand the market and somthing, blind is your heart.

If you want argument, so let's do it all the day.

Don't act like a kid in thougt and action, and I didn't have interest in your BSIP which i have thought and polish long long time ago...
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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2019, 11:16:28 pm »
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this solution may increase the possibility of a black swan event
Global Settlement*. Since BSIP18 the black swan scenario has solutions, thus this term is outdated.

Global Settlement is a bad solutions, it can't solve any problem, if it can, so let we check the bitbtc and bitgold.

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2019, 11:33:36 pm »
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/194
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/161
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/164

I think these bsips can help to fix the flaw,so dump 3M bts will not very easy to trgger margin call of 30M BTS.

FLAW alway exsit,if he didn't want any profit and just want to dump it.

It looks like a flaw in the design of MPA that it's possible to dump 3M BTS to trigger margin call of 30M of BTS. My solution to this flaw was BSIP42: do not trigger margin calls when it's "unfair", either by reducing MCR or by feeding higher price. However, in a down trend, this solution may increase the possibility of a black swan event, which is again decided by the trading price regardless of liquidity or volume thus suffers the same flaw. On the other hand, it's hard to judge what's "fair", whether the reason to "protect" the debt position holders is strong enough.

Obviously, there is lack of incentive for traders to buy BTS. We need to attract capital to buy BTS, which is the only way to prevent the price from dropping. So the question become: what are the reasons for people to buy BTS or to hold BTS? How to value the BTS token, and how to add value to it? On this topic, I wrote some thoughts recently:
* https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/194
* https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/191
« Last Edit: September 02, 2019, 12:12:19 am by binggo »

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2019, 11:55:58 pm »
Avg2907 is not the main reason,Someone sold bts above 400k+, the purpose is to eat the mortgage at a low price.

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2019, 12:13:43 am »
That's true.

Avg2907 is not the main reason,Someone sold bts above 400k+, the purpose is to eat the mortgage at a low price.

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2019, 09:01:35 am »
https://bts.ai/u/openledger-ops

https://bts.ai/u/openledger-corporate

So,workers.bitshares.foundation dump bts in the DEX to get bitcny/bitusd,and then pay bitusd/bitcny to openledger-corporate

the openledger-ops buy bts in DEX,then dump bts in binance-bts-1?

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2019, 09:22:16 am »
https://bts.ai/u/openledger-ops

https://bts.ai/u/openledger-corporate

So,workers.bitshares.foundation dump bts in the DEX to get bitcny/bitusd,and then pay bitusd/bitcny to openledger-corporate

the openledger-ops buy bts in DEX,then dump bts in binance-bts-1?

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2019, 09:26:01 am »
https://bts.ai/u/openledger-ops

https://bts.ai/u/openledger-corporate

So,workers.bitshares.foundation dump bts in the DEX to get bitcny/bitusd,and then pay bitusd/bitcny to openledger-corporate

the openledger-ops buy bts in DEX,then dump bts in binance-bts-1?

This was part of the bitshares-core worker, which OpenLedger actively contributes to. This payment was for invoice 23_Invoice_20190731_OL on https://workers.bitshares.foundation/201902-bitshares-core

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2019, 09:36:45 am »
https://bts.ai/u/openledger-ops

https://bts.ai/u/openledger-corporate

So,workers.bitshares.foundation dump bts in the DEX to get bitcny/bitusd,and then pay bitusd/bitcny to openledger-corporate

the openledger-ops buy bts in DEX,then dump bts in binance-bts-1?

This was part of the bitshares-core worker, which OpenLedger actively contributes to. This payment was for invoice 23_Invoice_20190731_OL on https://workers.bitshares.foundation/201902-bitshares-core

I know this.

I'm curious of this operation!
There are bitusd/bitcny, bitusd/open.usdt, bitcny/GDEX.BTC, bitcny/OPEN.BTC market, but he chose to buy BTS in DEX and then dump BTS in binance for BTC?!!!

OpenLedger?!

Very interesting!

I give friend a kinfe, but the friend STAB me in the back!!
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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2019, 04:06:33 pm »
AVG moving again 2 million BTS to poloniex.From there again bigger amount to Binance.
The true is, we can't stop him.

Maybe he like to do these thing.

A liquid market of major assets and arbitrage bot could stop it.
In my opinion a key factor for bitshares to stop these dumps and create real price support.
Getting active instead of waiting.

Using DEXBot to make the market between bitUSD and OPEN.USDT

DEXBot bitUSD:OPEN.USDT Market Making
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1. What are bitUSD and USDT?

1.1 bitUSD is a USD-pegged SmartCoin that is created by locking bts as collateral and bitUSD being issued as a loan.

1.2 USDT is a USD-pegged cryptocurrency that is in very popular use in the Cryptosphere as the favoured price stable asset.

2. Market Making bitUSD against USDT:

2.1 See jonnybitcoin’s excellent article here: https://steemit.com/bitshares/@jonnybitcoin/liquidity-liquidity-liquidity

2.1.1 “Bitshares is superior to other exchanges because it uses BitUSD which has no human liability and is decentralised. But this advantage means little if our BitUSD is not available to buy in quantity near the peg. A liquid asset is cash on hand or an asset that can be readily converted to cash. An asset that can readily be converted into cash is similar to cash itself because the asset can be sold with little impact on its value.”

2.1.2 “We need to make BitUSD a liquid asset. But how?”

2.1.3 “The best way to show people BitUSD is worth 1 USD is to create a market where BitUSD trades against a bearer asset that is worth 1 USD. That would be USDT (see www.tether.to) Bearer asset = Doesn't need to be kept in a named account.”

3. The bitUSD:OPEN.USDT Market on the DEX:



4. Recently in the BitShares community there has been a lot of discussion on price decreases caused by high sell pressure when bts whales want to cash out of bts into a Centralised EXchange.

4.1 The price-feed used to calculate the margin call price of BitShares Flagship assets bitCNY and bitUSD are obtained from the trade prices across major CEX’s that list bts. If bts on these CEX’s are dumped and lowers the price; the price feed on the DEX is also dumped - calling more margin positions.

4.2 These called margin positions then dump (sometimes large) amounts of bts onto the DEX, further decreasing the price and moving the market-price on the DEX far away from the “price feed” (bts-price on CEX’s).

4.3 The difference between the “feed price” and the DEX “market price” of bitUSD is known as the “premium”. A lower bts:USD market-price on the DEX than that which is available on the CEX’s-used-for-price-feeds means that bitUSD becomes worth 1-5% more than 1USD. This is due to the fact that bitUSD held on the DEX can buy more bts (because the DEX bts price is lower) than could be bought on a CEX using USD or USDT.

4.3.1 The bitUSD:USDT price reflects this premium. If bitUSD is trading at 1.01USDT, this means bitUSD is worth 1% more than $1.

5. The DEX needs liquidity against major assets that are widely available on CEX’s. The top 11 most active markets for bts across CEX’s are all either BTC or USDT.

5.1 A liquid market for USDT:bitUSD on the DEX makes it easy for CEX holders to trade into the DEX and away from the CEX. If a trader on a particular CEX is worried about the risk of their CEX going bankrupt, they need a way to move exchanges.

5.1.1 The vast majority of CEX’s list USDT, and USDT is often a primary trading pair against a wide range of cryptocurrencies. This means to migrate from one exchange to another traders can sell all of their assets for USDT, transfer USDT to their destination exchange, and then reallocate their portfolio once there.

5.1.2 The DEX needs to offer an easy way for “fleeing” traders to make the choice that the DEX should be their destination exchange. The “easy” way is for these traders to see that they can transfer USDT into the DEX just as they would any CEX.

5.1.3 Alongside all the many benefits of the DEX, a trader seeing that not only can they leave CEX’s but that they can also leave USDT in favour of a decentralised stablecoin bitUSD is further incentive to come to the DEX to trade.

5.1.4 This can only happen if there is a highly liquid USDT market active on the DEX. Sending USDT to the DEX and having nowhere to trade it for a reasonable price causes the trader to rethink their decision to try the DEX.

5.2 The most liquid USDT asset available on the DEX for trading is OPEN.USDT. DEXBot could help. DEXBot allows its users to provide liquidity to the bitUSD:USDT market.

5.3 A whale moving large amounts of bts onto a CEX in order to be sold can cause big problems for the price feed.

5.3.1 If these whales see that they can instead move from DEX to CEX via USDT, the problem is lessened, as the selling of bts for USDT would occur on the DEX and not affect the price feed.

6. Another prominent issue on the DEX is that the circulating supply of SmartCoins is often not sufficient for large bitCNY debtors to buy back the bitCNY they owe to the blockchain in order to settle or lower their debts and avoid margin call.

6.1 A liquid bitUSD:USDT market increases the circulating supply of SmartCoins and helps to address this issue.

6.2 bitUSD is traded heavily on the DEX against bitCNY. Any liquidity for bitUSD against external assets is also good for bitCNY; as bitUSD can be quickly traded for bitCNY with minimal slippage.

6.2.1 bitCNY debtors who also trade on CEX’s therefore benefit from a liquid bitUSD:USDT market; as they would be able to transfer additional funds to the DEX via USDT in order to service their debts.

7. The bitUSD:OPEN.USDT market generally has low volatility because OPEN.USDT and bitUSD both have the same face value of $1. They should be equal to each other plus the current bitUSD premium.

8. How to configure DEXBot to facilitate USDT to bitUSD trade:



8.1 The bitUSD:OPEN.USDT market will fluctuate in price, and the bid or ask may sometimes exceed 1. This makes it difficult to set a fixed centreprice.

8.2 However, DEXBot, allows the spread and centre price to be calculated from the orderbook at a particular depth. Choosing to calculate the spread using the “dynamic spread” tickbox (shown in orange in the example image above) tells DEXBot to view the orderbook and place orders at the same spread as other traders that provide a given amount of liquidity. In the above example $500 market depth.

8.3 DEXBot also allows the centreprice to be configured according to the market depth of the orderbook. Shown in yellow in the above example. Setting both the centre price and spread to be calculated from the orderbook at a market depth of $500 tells DEXBot to offer a competitive spread regardless of how the market fluctuates.

8.4 After configuring the Relative Orders strategy to trade the USD:OPEN.USDT market and saving the settings, pressing the “Turn worker on” button let’s DEXBot start making offers. Shown in green in the above example.

The CEX-DEX Arbitrage and "Mirrored Arbitrage" features for DEXBot are in development and will further assist by creating tools to improve the liquidity on the DEX and help to lower the SmartCoin premiums.
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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2019, 07:13:44 pm »
AVG moving again 2 million BTS to poloniex.From there again bigger amount to Binance.
The true is, we can't stop him.

Maybe he like to do these thing.


Great post.

AVG is moving BTS to poloniex again
A liquid market of major assets and arbitrage bot could stop it.
In my opinion a key factor for bitshares to stop these dumps and create real price support.
Getting active instead of waiting.

Using DEXBot to make the market between bitUSD and OPEN.USDT

DEXBot bitUSD:OPEN.USDT Market Making
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1. What are bitUSD and USDT?

1.1 bitUSD is a USD-pegged SmartCoin that is created by locking bts as collateral and bitUSD being issued as a loan.

1.2 USDT is a USD-pegged cryptocurrency that is in very popular use in the Cryptosphere as the favoured price stable asset.

2. Market Making bitUSD against USDT:

2.1 See jonnybitcoin’s excellent article here: https://steemit.com/bitshares/@jonnybitcoin/liquidity-liquidity-liquidity

2.1.1 “Bitshares is superior to other exchanges because it uses BitUSD which has no human liability and is decentralised. But this advantage means little if our BitUSD is not available to buy in quantity near the peg. A liquid asset is cash on hand or an asset that can be readily converted to cash. An asset that can readily be converted into cash is similar to cash itself because the asset can be sold with little impact on its value.”

2.1.2 “We need to make BitUSD a liquid asset. But how?”

2.1.3 “The best way to show people BitUSD is worth 1 USD is to create a market where BitUSD trades against a bearer asset that is worth 1 USD. That would be USDT (see www.tether.to) Bearer asset = Doesn't need to be kept in a named account.”

3. The bitUSD:OPEN.USDT Market on the DEX:



4. Recently in the BitShares community there has been a lot of discussion on price decreases caused by high sell pressure when bts whales want to cash out of bts into a Centralised EXchange.

4.1 The price-feed used to calculate the margin call price of BitShares Flagship assets bitCNY and bitUSD are obtained from the trade prices across major CEX’s that list bts. If bts on these CEX’s are dumped and lowers the price; the price feed on the DEX is also dumped - calling more margin positions.

4.2 These called margin positions then dump (sometimes large) amounts of bts onto the DEX, further decreasing the price and moving the market-price on the DEX far away from the “price feed” (bts-price on CEX’s).

4.3 The difference between the “feed price” and the DEX “market price” of bitUSD is known as the “premium”. A lower bts:USD market-price on the DEX than that which is available on the CEX’s-used-for-price-feeds means that bitUSD becomes worth 1-5% more than 1USD. This is due to the fact that bitUSD held on the DEX can buy more bts (because the DEX bts price is lower) than could be bought on a CEX using USD or USDT.

4.3.1 The bitUSD:USDT price reflects this premium. If bitUSD is trading at 1.01USDT, this means bitUSD is worth 1% more than $1.

5. The DEX needs liquidity against major assets that are widely available on CEX’s. The top 11 most active markets for bts across CEX’s are all either BTC or USDT.

5.1 A liquid market for USDT:bitUSD on the DEX makes it easy for CEX holders to trade into the DEX and away from the CEX. If a trader on a particular CEX is worried about the risk of their CEX going bankrupt, they need a way to move exchanges.

5.1.1 The vast majority of CEX’s list USDT, and USDT is often a primary trading pair against a wide range of cryptocurrencies. This means to migrate from one exchange to another traders can sell all of their assets for USDT, transfer USDT to their destination exchange, and then reallocate their portfolio once there.

5.1.2 The DEX needs to offer an easy way for “fleeing” traders to make the choice that the DEX should be their destination exchange. The “easy” way is for these traders to see that they can transfer USDT into the DEX just as they would any CEX.

5.1.3 Alongside all the many benefits of the DEX, a trader seeing that not only can they leave CEX’s but that they can also leave USDT in favour of a decentralised stablecoin bitUSD is further incentive to come to the DEX to trade.

5.1.4 This can only happen if there is a highly liquid USDT market active on the DEX. Sending USDT to the DEX and having nowhere to trade it for a reasonable price causes the trader to rethink their decision to try the DEX.

5.2 The most liquid USDT asset available on the DEX for trading is OPEN.USDT. DEXBot could help. DEXBot allows its users to provide liquidity to the bitUSD:USDT market.

5.3 A whale moving large amounts of bts onto a CEX in order to be sold can cause big problems for the price feed.

5.3.1 If these whales see that they can instead move from DEX to CEX via USDT, the problem is lessened, as the selling of bts for USDT would occur on the DEX and not affect the price feed.

6. Another prominent issue on the DEX is that the circulating supply of SmartCoins is often not sufficient for large bitCNY debtors to buy back the bitCNY they owe to the blockchain in order to settle or lower their debts and avoid margin call.

6.1 A liquid bitUSD:USDT market increases the circulating supply of SmartCoins and helps to address this issue.

6.2 bitUSD is traded heavily on the DEX against bitCNY. Any liquidity for bitUSD against external assets is also good for bitCNY; as bitUSD can be quickly traded for bitCNY with minimal slippage.

6.2.1 bitCNY debtors who also trade on CEX’s therefore benefit from a liquid bitUSD:USDT market; as they would be able to transfer additional funds to the DEX via USDT in order to service their debts.

7. The bitUSD:OPEN.USDT market generally has low volatility because OPEN.USDT and bitUSD both have the same face value of $1. They should be equal to each other plus the current bitUSD premium.

8. How to configure DEXBot to facilitate USDT to bitUSD trade:



8.1 The bitUSD:OPEN.USDT market will fluctuate in price, and the bid or ask may sometimes exceed 1. This makes it difficult to set a fixed centreprice.

8.2 However, DEXBot, allows the spread and centre price to be calculated from the orderbook at a particular depth. Choosing to calculate the spread using the “dynamic spread” tickbox (shown in orange in the example image above) tells DEXBot to view the orderbook and place orders at the same spread as other traders that provide a given amount of liquidity. In the above example $500 market depth.

8.3 DEXBot also allows the centreprice to be configured according to the market depth of the orderbook. Shown in yellow in the above example. Setting both the centre price and spread to be calculated from the orderbook at a market depth of $500 tells DEXBot to offer a competitive spread regardless of how the market fluctuates.

8.4 After configuring the Relative Orders strategy to trade the USD:OPEN.USDT market and saving the settings, pressing the “Turn worker on” button let’s DEXBot start making offers. Shown in green in the above example.

The CEX-DEX Arbitrage and "Mirrored Arbitrage" features for DEXBot are in development and will further assist by creating tools to improve the liquidity on the DEX and help to lower the SmartCoin premiums.

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2019, 08:21:00 pm »
avg moved BTS to poloniex again ...

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2019, 10:12:56 pm »
$32.5k left only

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Re: AVG2907 dumping price massivly ?
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2019, 10:46:19 pm »

One shot kill to BTS use so little money!

en, very very interesting.
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