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Re: [Worker Proposal] 2020 Core Development (Part 1/2)
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2020, 12:08:47 am »
Thanks to GBAC and Linda for translation.


I've seen in DPOS forums that few Chinese members are against BSIP for market fee sharing and is complaining on how blockchain already collect fee from users, and in general against this worker. But I haven't seen them last 30 months doing nothing apart stiring fire, being unhappy and constantly "knowing" for better but never doing it themselves. Step up with solutions if you have better, nobody stops you and nobody ever did, but stop saying shit that has no sense or brain behind closed doors because ill be reading them. Always.

And to be clear for one fact about this project. BitShares exists 7 years, and NOT A SINGLE GATEWAY made it profitable for the blockchain in that period of time. It did made it for themselves. Fees collected from the blockchain would not be sufficient even if we would be having 100M USD volume a day with our fee structure over the past and to not mention that only reason WHY BITSHARES IS NOT PROFITABLE IS BECAUSE EVERYBODY CAN BUILD AND EARN FROM IT FOR FREE WHILE BLOCKCHAIN GETS NOTHING.

So, yes, it's time to stop doing everything and giving everything for free. Thanks for your support.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] 2020 Core Development (Part 1/2)
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2020, 01:37:32 am »
Thanks to GBAC and Linda for translation.


I've seen in DPOS forums that few Chinese members are against BSIP for market fee sharing and is complaining on how blockchain already collect fee from users, and in general against this worker. But I haven't seen them last 30 months doing nothing apart stiring fire, being unhappy and constantly "knowing" for better but never doing it themselves. Step up with solutions if you have better, nobody stops you and nobody ever did, but stop saying shit that has no sense or brain behind closed doors because ill be reading them. Always.

And to be clear for one fact about this project. BitShares exists 7 years, and NOT A SINGLE GATEWAY made it profitable for the blockchain in that period of time. It did made it for themselves. Fees collected from the blockchain would not be sufficient even if we would be having 100M USD volume a day with our fee structure over the past and to not mention that only reason WHY BITSHARES IS NOT PROFITABLE IS BECAUSE EVERYBODY CAN BUILD AND EARN FROM IT FOR FREE WHILE BLOCKCHAIN GETS NOTHING.

So, yes, it's time to stop doing everything and giving everything for free. Thanks for your support.

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Must be clear,nothing in BTS is free,every transaction will pay the transaction fee.

If BTS can't feed himself with these transaction fees,why not to increase the transaction fee?

If we charge the fees from BSIP86, so give a reason to these GATEWAYs:

why they should build a business in BTS,not in other block chain?

why they should build a Gateway not a Bridge?



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    Valid range of that parameter is [0, 100%].

why is 100%,not should be [0, 1%]?

I think no one like this valid range of that parameter is [0, 100%], too dangerous for a business.

What i want to say:We shouldn't have too much hope on BSIP86.


Must be clear: i have gave the solutions long time ago,and seems nobody like them,people just want to do what they think is “right”,so let we see what will happend.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] 2020 Core Development (Part 1/2)
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2020, 02:35:33 am »
Thanks to GBAC and Linda for translation.


I've seen in DPOS forums that few Chinese members are against BSIP for market fee sharing and is complaining on how blockchain already collect fee from users, and in general against this worker. But I haven't seen them last 30 months doing nothing apart stiring fire, being unhappy and constantly "knowing" for better but never doing it themselves. Step up with solutions if you have better, nobody stops you and nobody ever did, but stop saying shit that has no sense or brain behind closed doors because ill be reading them. Always.

And to be clear for one fact about this project. BitShares exists 7 years, and NOT A SINGLE GATEWAY made it profitable for the blockchain in that period of time. It did made it for themselves. Fees collected from the blockchain would not be sufficient even if we would be having 100M USD volume a day with our fee structure over the past and to not mention that only reason WHY BITSHARES IS NOT PROFITABLE IS BECAUSE EVERYBODY CAN BUILD AND EARN FROM IT FOR FREE WHILE BLOCKCHAIN GETS NOTHING.

So, yes, it's time to stop doing everything and giving everything for free. Thanks for your support.

Chee®s

Must be clear,nothing in BTS is free,every transaction will pay the transaction fee.

If BTS can't feed himself with these transaction fees,why not to increase the transaction fee?

If we charge the fees from BSIP86, so give a reason to these GATEWAYs:

why they should build a business in BTS,not in other block chain?

why they should build a Gateway not a Bridge?



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    Valid range of that parameter is [0, 100%].

why is 100%,not should be [0, 1%]?

I think no one like this valid range of that parameter is [0, 100%], too dangerous for a business.


FEES/INCOME ISSUE:

1) Why Gateway not pay for software to fork ? Why Gateway not pay listing in wallet ? Why bitshares.org owner has to bare legal responsibility for free ? Why gateway not call itself BitShares so it marketing more people to the blockchain itself ?
2) You can't increase fees on transactions when you have no business or customers. Binance can, we cannot.
3) DEX is NOT BITSHARES. It's time to filter businesses who "wants to build" to the one who are legit and have liquidity (wanna do business) and ones who dont wanna do business and are illegal.
4) What sane business&development manager will let everyone fuck his project for free ?

CB perfect example what happens when you let someone run for free for so long without any legal due dilligence, and what consequences it leaves on us.


BSIP86 ISSUE:

We already had discussion and nobody will push 0,100 as even me was never ok with it who isnt gateway owner. You just failed to follow up on time or participate when consensus actually did, now you're just creating fire for nothing. 

25% is tax in some countries, VAT on operations and sales - so we are not asking anything here that is not reasonable. Maybe we dont like governments, but they still do make money and we are not. Guess we are doing it wrong, not them.

Now for a holder who missed discussion on github for MONTHS, failed to respond in all groups when it was actually discussed and not being willing to read or do proper due dilligence -

https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/pull/253

Check this out.

I have nothing against you, but you really need to start participate more quietly and spend more actual effort participating - now you're being classified as a spammer just because you THINK you know but you DONT want to read/hear.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] 2020 Core Development (Part 1/2)
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2020, 04:13:14 am »
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Why Gateway not pay?
2) You can't increase fees on transactions when you have no business or customers. Binance can, we cannot.

“chicken-or-the-egg”

This is a very complex problem.

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3) DEX is NOT BITSHARES. It's time to filter businesses who "wants to build" to the one who are legit and have liquidity (wanna do business) and ones who dont wanna do business and are illegal.

ok,want to learn the Binance DEX(https://www.binance.org/)?I don't think so.

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4) What sane business&development manager will let everyone fuck his project for free ?

en, the project still get the transaction fees, not free.

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BSIP86 ISSUE

Just a small group people discuss it, even me just have a little words in the ISSUE, no body want to think and read it seriously,and even no Chinese version,how many members of CN-VOTE know what‘s the means of this BSIP? only less.

I don't like this BSIP86 in this mini mainnet releases as it is not so important, just can get a very little income from it.

I have quit all the groups of BTS long time ago, as i can't get any valuable discussion, maybe they more like to participate in the battle of steem.

I even don't like quietly any more, somebody have injured the bts holders and bitassets once and once again, and can't or not want to get any lessons from it. maybe i should be quietly like blocktrads, sell 35M bts and hold 7M BTS of community, and say “ i don't trust them.”

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spammer

I like this words, abit and bitcrab call me that, i like to be it, they think they know and right, let the time show.

or you can ban me as a spammer for a year,so i will can't question anything in here,they also have a quiet environment to do what they like or want to do, that's very equal and reasonable.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] 2020 Core Development (Part 1/2)
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2020, 06:45:03 am »

Mainnet 4.0 will execute "reserve pool negative balances" fix


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Can you elaborate  how to execute "reserve pool negative balances" fix?  by reducing the amount of current pool balance ?
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Re: [Worker Proposal] 2020 Core Development (Part 1/2)
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2020, 10:37:20 am »

Mainnet 4.0 will execute "reserve pool negative balances" fix


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Can you elaborate  how to execute "reserve pool negative balances" fix?  by reducing the amount of current pool balance ?
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Max. supply is the same and the reserve pool gets reduced.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] 2020 Core Development (Part 1/2)
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2020, 10:37:41 am »
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Why Gateway not pay?
2) You can't increase fees on transactions when you have no business or customers. Binance can, we cannot.

“chicken-or-the-egg”

This is a very complex problem.

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3) DEX is NOT BITSHARES. It's time to filter businesses who "wants to build" to the one who are legit and have liquidity (wanna do business) and ones who dont wanna do business and are illegal.

ok,want to learn the Binance DEX(https://www.binance.org/)?I don't think so.

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4) What sane business&development manager will let everyone fuck his project for free ?

en, the project still get the transaction fees, not free.

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BSIP86 ISSUE

Just a small group people discuss it, even me just have a little words in the ISSUE, no body want to think and read it seriously,and even no Chinese version,how many members of CN-VOTE know what‘s the means of this BSIP? only less.

I don't like this BSIP86 in this mini mainnet releases as it is not so important, just can get a very little income from it.

I have quit all the groups of BTS long time ago, as i can't get any valuable discussion, maybe they more like to participate in the battle of steem.

I even don't like quietly any more, somebody have injured the bts holders and bitassets once and once again, and can't or not want to get any lessons from it. maybe i should be quietly like blocktrads, sell 35M bts and hold 7M BTS of community, and say “ i don't trust them.”

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spammer

I like this words, abit and bitcrab call me that, i like to be it, they think they know and right, let the time show.

or you can ban me as a spammer for a year,so i will can't question anything in here,they also have a quiet environment to do what they like or want to do, that's very equal and reasonable.

Ill be simple with math and numbers, since words means nothing in this case and there is no "chicken-or-egg" in business terminology. Maybe it does in agriculture, but not here.

Currently BitShares blockchain has
Weekly: <1400 unique accounts
Daily average: 200 unique accounts
OPS Average: 215000
TX Average: 1.44 per second

24 hours = 86400 seconds

Total daily TX average: 124416

Basic member regular transaction fee to place order: 0.04826 BTS
Lifetime member regular transaction fee to place order: 0.00965 BTS

If we TAKE MID AVERAGE between basic and lifetime we get

Average member regular transaction fee: ‭0.019305‬ BTS

Moment of truth...

124416 TX * ‭0.019305‬ BTS = 2401.85088 BTS per day (if we have full day of regular transactions)

At the current ticker price of BTS this blockchain and project is making

DAILY PROFIT FROM FEES: 2401.85088 BTS @ 0.017224 USD = 41.37 USD

Monthly: Daily * 30 = 1241.1 USD


Costs of bitshares.org and news.bitshares.org monthly are x3 that.

What profits you are talking about and why i still need to let anyone build for free or list for free or operate on TOTALLY UNPROFITABLE BLOCKCHAIN AND OUR OWN BUSINESS FOR FREE ?

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Re: [Worker Proposal] 2020 Core Development (Part 1/2)
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2020, 12:39:57 pm »
The math and numbers is simple,i have got these numbers and the questions long time ago, it seems nobody care.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=26759.0

The fundamental questions is:

Why we found these questions so late, it should must be clearly in the beginning of the project: How this project can feed itself?

Even have the BSIP86, the system still can't get enough income to feed itself, BSIP86 only can earn a very very little income, we can find the result and truth from these closed gateways. Bitcrab knew that very clearly.

now we have 0.04826 BTS transaction fee to place order, the only problems is we lost very much transactions in the bitassets.

So BSIP86 is not so important in this mini mainnet releases, it can be put into a max mainnet releases.

About BSIP74, i have asked for this fee long longs time ago, even i open an issue in github for it, still nobody like and care about it, this is the problems.
BSIP74 will be the maximum income for bts in the future(if we have a suitable feed price, without BSIP76 and a reasonable risk management mechanism).
The bitasset still will own the largest group of clients from past to the future, this is the truth,we have to admit these.

About BSIP87, i don't like it, the reason i have said very clearly, the price fluctuation only must be spreaded and transferred, shouldn't be destroied, this is a very simple finance concept, BM didn't understand that, most of bts holder didn't that, but the other people outsids know that.
They just want use BSIP87 to charge fees and destroy the pledgor with a non-normal means.
So i think it shouldn't be in this mini mainnet releases, it just wastes money and time.

BSIP77 is more important than BSIP86 and BSIP87 together, seems nobody clear about it, just want to charge fees charge fees.

The most of DEX income is inadequate to meet the expense, this is the cruel reality, even we make a BSIP86, only defi can give the help for now.

and everything is not free on the BLOCKCHAIN, every operations have paid fees.
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Re: [Worker Proposal] 2020 Core Development (Part 1/2)
« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2020, 09:15:00 pm »
It's nice to see that the Core worker has been accepted by the community. To move forward in bad times we need to continue supporting development.

The Bitshares UI needs your support as well, and is at the moment 60% supported. The team from last year stands ready to continue development when the community supports their work. Read more about the worker here.

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« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2020, 08:06:49 pm »
I agree with Bingo that majority of BSIPs the workers plans to focus on are a waste of resources.

Anybody counted how much time will pass till even the coding cost have been paid back ?

I disagree agree on BSIP87 as i think thats something which would lower the force settlements dramaticly which are hurting the ecosystem.
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The most of DEX income is inadequate to meet the expense, this is the cruel reality, even we make a BSIP86, only defi can give the help for now.

I made the same demand as Bingo and also clearly said before that thats something which needs to be included to get my vote.

The proposed BSIPS have no real impact based on our volume thats the reality.Instead of focusing on getting new users and fresh money on dex we only focus on DEX parameters.
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« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2020, 08:31:10 pm »
Really asking myself if this team is suitable for that job if they are even unable to see if something is profitable or not for bitshares.

Let's even assume we get our golden days back where we have 10.000.000 bts volume on BTC.

Thats $160.000 volume in USD.From that GDEX is charging 0.1%

Thats $160 per day from GDEX .
How much is GDEX going to share? 20% ?   That's what $32 income for DEX on a 10.000.000 BTS volume ?

Wow what a game changer

In 1-2 years we may have the coding cost back

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Re: [Worker Proposal] 2020 Core Development (Part 1/2)
« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2020, 02:52:03 am »
20$+ to the pool is better than 0$ to the pool. Is there any other bsip profitable for reserve pool you holders came up with ?

And how is illegal P2P lending profitable for the blockchain ?

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Re: [Worker Proposal] 2020 Core Development (Part 1/2)
« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2020, 09:02:10 am »
The proposed BSIPS have no real impact based on our volume thats the reality.Instead of focusing on getting new users and fresh money on dex we only focus on DEX parameters.

I believe that charging 1% on force settlement will not lower the volume dramatically.

Yes the current trading volume in DEX in low, but definitely we need BSIP86 as a tax infrastructure.

and charging on margin call is also a must.

Yes we need DeFi, P2P Lending is on discussion in the next core worker, but we need this core prelude worker first. 

I hope you and @alt be the contributor, not the obstructor of BTS evolution.

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« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2020, 12:49:00 pm »
I'm going to open my own worker with proposals which are real progress for bitshares to catch the big money flood which will accure soon because of negative interest.

You can focus on your $20 BS .

The political game of CN-Vote and BEOS is disgusting.

I supported old CN-Vote because their demand made sense but todays CN-Vote control demand is out of control.

Making inside deals with BEOS which is hardening BEOS position on bitshares because of some workers which creaters are in their favour/debt .

I supported CN-Vote because their policy at the beginning were my policy like:
"Being a witness is a privilage for supporters"
"Being a committee member is for supporters to change something activly"
"Approving only workers which are effective which is the reason to support refund400k"

Current CN-Vote lost totaly its old policy.

I don't know who took over power on CN-Vote that old leaders had been kicked out.You are currently clearly ANTI-Bitshares.

You vote witnesses active based on inside deals which did nothing for bitshares (where did you left the privilage of being a witness?)

You vote committee members active who never participated in committee for over a year.
For what purpose did you voted in inactive committee members ?

Now you push shitty workers which effectiveness is ZERO same as your stupid scammy exchanges on which we wasted so many BTS for nothing.


You guys are sure you are able to handle right decissions when supporting these kind of staff ?

Seriously ?



IMF is going to publish soon the new monetary system with negative interest rates which is being talked everywhere on closed financial news
and you focus on a worker to get $10-20 per day on fees instead on how to catch big cake of money which will flood crypto to avoid negative interest rates ?

You have no Defi......no HTLC Gdex and Rudex being the only two gateways  and so many problems which need to be fixed as soon as possible......

But you instead focus now on Fee sharing which is stupdity high ten.

Based on your comments i can tell you that you start focusing on Defi etc when it's already over and money have flooded crypto......

Always running the golden eggs behind because being unable to even predict what will happen in next 6 months and what to focus on on given time.


Also bitcrab please stop your manipulative games it's not working on me.

I can be called a tyrann or anything else i don't care.What i care is bitshares and my blood boils when i see the never ending stupidity from cn-vote which is coming from the past months.


You want to add your own and dead accounts to witness and committee .....
Ok no problem then also do the work .......

From today i also stop my activitiy as committee member so the inactive CN-Vote and BEOS puppets who are voted in by inside deals can do it themself.

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Re: [Worker Proposal] 2020 Core Development (Part 1/2)
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2020, 12:53:53 pm »
I believe that charging 1% on force settlement will not lower the volume dramatically.

Yes the current trading volume in DEX in low, but definitely we need BSIP86 as a tax infrastructure.

and charging on margin call is also a must.

Yes we need DeFi, P2P Lending is on discussion in the next core worker, but we need this core prelude worker first. 

I hope you and @alt be the contributor, not the obstructor of BTS evolution.

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BTS evolution
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I think you even didn't understan what's that mean.

How are you so definitely in this? how to prove?  In my mind, you have defined something in the past.

This mini mainnet releases spent too much, but got less, only BSIP74 have its role, but BSIP76 and BAIP2 may make it useless.

I think you still didn't have any clear and whole framework for bitasset or defi,what role these BSIPs in this worker will play in the further?  what‘s the correlation between them?

Maybe you just want to charge fees and charge fees, and defined what you still didn't know.
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