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Offline jonte

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Hey

Vote on me " blinger "  ( VPS in Sweden )
« Last Edit: August 08, 2014, 06:47:40 am by jonte »

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Please vote for the team helloworld. Our sub.account delegates:
google.helloworld           (VPS located in london)
microsoft.helloworld        (personal linux servers located in shenzheng, China) 

We promise: 20% transaction fees destroyed, 30% transaction fees donated to the community faucet fund.
When the system is stable and , we will keep only one delegate in any DAC systems.

P.S.   I am a chinese community active member, the manager of chinese community donation fund . And i have successfully held a series of btsx promoting events:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4744.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6445.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6470.0

The members of our team:
@yinchanggong:  .I will be responsible for contact and publicity of our team.
@cdryan: programmer, community active.member, responsible for the team's technical support.
@newtree:  early investor,deeply attracted by btsx ecosystem from the very beginning,responsible for regular server maintainance.
@ripplexiaoshan:  BTS official forum chinese subforum moderator, one of the early followers of 3I,has experience of running a delegate stably, currently living abroad,he will provide us technical suport and cooperate with others to ensure a 7*24 stable delegate.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2014, 06:11:35 am by yinchanggong »
BTSX delegate: google.helloworld    microsoft.helloworld
BTSX Account:yinchg   Manager of BTSXCHINA Charity Fund
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vote please for my sub.account delegates:

delegate.liondani                   (2 personal Linux servers located at my home in Greece)*
germany.delegate.liondani    (VPS located in Germany)**
greece.delegate.liondani       (VPS located in Greece)
charity.delegate.liondani       (The only delegate with 100% pay rate for obvious reasons)


PS All sub account delegates (except the charity delegate as mentioned) have always a pay rate of 5% under the "Average active delegate pay rate" !!!
     so for example if at any moment the "average active delegate pay rate" is 70% I guarantee that my sub accounts will never exceed 65% pay rate  ;)
     If you are still not satisfied with the sub account pay rate policy you can always vote for the parent account delegate liondani that will never exceed 5% pay rate !!!


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** configured very soon, until then they will produce blocks on my server in Greece.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2014, 06:45:45 am by liondani »

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What about this proposal: (?)

If sub account's get qualified for the active delegates, then the system could give additional active delegates slots !!!
For example, we have 101 active delegates and 12 sub.accounts (from some active parents) that made it to the 101. Don't replace the last 12 delegates with the new ones but let them continue to produce blocks!!! That means we have on this example 113 active delegates now!

1. In that way we can have great hopes that the individual delegates will be more and close to 101 in future because it gives a motive not to create "sock puppet" delegates...
2. even if you have "to much" active delegates it is not a problem because you know that the additional sub.parent delegates have the most of the time the parent.delegate quality...
3. In reality there is no reason to afraid that the number of active delegates will get to big because any voter will know that the sub account's are from the same individual so everybody will vote for them only if they are convinced that it is really worth (for security reasons, charity or whatever.) It will get very tough to convince to get votes for 10 different sub accounts
4.It will motivate delegates to have some sub accounts activated on different country's... (good for network security, and potential future legal issues)
5.It will motivate delegates to create subaccounts with low payrates to get more delegate accounts active... (Shareholders will win that way)
6.i guess there are more pros


Thoughts?

« Last Edit: July 29, 2014, 09:50:15 am by liondani »

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jabbajabba is now

delegate.jabbajabba !

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Anyone not currently voting for delegate.xeldal , vote for delegate.xeldal

Thanks!  8)

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My delegate mister will replace the following nodes:

pangu.shenma
nuwo.shenma
fuxi.shenma

I used the "shenma" account, and hopes to become a brand, which is a Chinese Pinyin
And I used the name of the ancient god of the delegate's name as.
I will try to operate them well!
BTSX Account: mister
BTSX Delegate :sun.delegate.service,moon.delegate.service

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anyone who are voting for bitsuperlab, please vote for delegate.bitsuperlab instead. Thanks.
Anything said on these forums does not constitute an intent to create a legal obligation or contract between myself and anyone else.   These are merely my opinions and I reserve the right to change them at any time.

Offline bytemaster

I had to create each level before the next level down would work.

So you'll need
beal
support.beal
to.support.beal

before you can create how.to.support.beal

This was my experience anyways.  Not sure if its supposed to work this way.

That is how it was supposed to work.
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I had to create each level before the next level down would work.

So you'll need
beal
support.beal
to.support.beal

before you can create how.to.support.beal

This was my experience anyways.  Not sure if its supposed to work this way.

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as an owner of "beal", I am not able to register "how.to.support.beal". any comments ?

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wallet_account_register how.to.support.beal demo.twitter

20006 unknown_account: unknown account
Unknown local account name!
    {"account_name":"to.support.beal"}
    th_a  wallet.cpp:1270 get_account

    {}
    th_a  wallet.cpp:1288 get_account

    {"account_to_register":"how.to.support.beal","public_data":null,"pay_with_account_name":"demo.twitter","delegate_pay_rate":255}
    th_a  wallet.cpp:2448 register_account

    {"account_name":"how.to.support.beal","data":null}
    th_a  client.cpp:2711 wallet_account_register

    {}
    th_a  common_api_client.cpp:979 wallet_account_register
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中国教育书店合作将20%收入捐献给贫困山区学生。
Cooperating with China Education Bookstore and will donate 20% of delegate income to the poor students

Offline wackou

My old delegate "wackou-delegate" is now called "wackou.digitalgaia", collected fees will go towards developing the bitshares_delegate_tools.

I also now have "security.digitalgaia", fees will go towards funding a security audit of the codebase,
and "charity.digitalgaia", fees will go towards a charity somewhat aligned/related with bitshares, at the moment I'm thinking the EFF but there might be others in the future.
Please vote for witness wackou! More info at http://digitalgaia.io

Offline bytemaster

I highly recommend delegates promoting causes like this start advertising outside this forum and bring people who care about these causes into our community.
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New Charity and reinvestment delegates

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wallet_approve_delegate seans-outpost.charity.xeldal
wallet_approve_delegate bitshares-dev.invest.xeldal

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5937.msg79569#msg79569

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Delegate skyscraperfarms sub account: ggozzo.skyscraperfarms

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My sub account
wallet_approve_delegate delegate.bitcoiner true
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my new sub-accounts

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wallet_approve_delegate delegate.laow
wallet_approve_delegate delegate1.laow
BTS acount: laow

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how to change the active key?

This will require a separate wallet command that we haven't added yet, but it is on the issue list.
Got it, Thank you  :)

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My new delegate:delegate.webber
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Offline vikram

how to change the active key?

This will require a separate wallet command that we haven't added yet, but it is on the issue list.

Offline bytemaster

agsexplorer has created the sub-accounts

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wallet_approve_delegate mr.agsexplorer
wallet_approve_delegate mrs.agsexplorer

But the main account is not producing blocks right now.
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Thank you bytemaster. Our delegates burn 66% right now, more than other members that participate solely by stake.
Since we want to add the network no damage, HappyShares could operate as controlled proxy for similar "strange" ideas,
always ready to act pro BitShares not against. Our further plan is to develop other economy related tools, perhaps more fruitful in your eyes, in the future.

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wallet_approve_delegate btsx.chinesecommunity true

50% payrate, half of the income will be donated to yinchg monthly, who is managing a donation fund for BTSX promoting in China

The latest promotion event is :

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4744.0
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agsexplorer has created the sub-accounts

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wallet_approve_delegate mr.agsexplorer
wallet_approve_delegate mrs.agsexplorer
http://bitshares.dacplay.org/r/boombastic
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Offline bytemaster

Thank you bytemaster for voting our delegates.

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wallet_approve_delegate happyshares
wallet_approve_delegate we1love.happyshares
wallet_approve_delegate we2love.happyshares
wallet_approve_delegate we3love.happyshares
wallet_approve_delegate we4love.happyshares
wallet_approve_delegate we5love.happyshares

For the record, I don't support the kickback plan but I do support how you add an extra degree of decentralization at this early stage.   I will be removing my approval once we have more unique candidates.  (No offense, I just don't agree with your platform).
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Thank you bytemaster for voting our delegates.

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wallet_approve_delegate happyshares
wallet_approve_delegate we1love.happyshares
wallet_approve_delegate we2love.happyshares
wallet_approve_delegate we3love.happyshares
wallet_approve_delegate we4love.happyshares
wallet_approve_delegate we5love.happyshares

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my new delegate
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delegate.cgafeng
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Offline crazybit

I also would like to know more about the 'active key' mentioned by alt.
active key is the public key mapping to your account name,every account has an owner key and an active key, the owner key and active key is same when the account is created ,however, in existing design, the active key can be updated to another public key but the owner key can not
« Last Edit: July 23, 2014, 05:12:09 pm by crazybit »

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bts500 team has set up the delegates with the sub-accounts:
usd.bts500
cny.bts500
eur.bts500
dac.bts500

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5862.msg81332#msg81332

I also would like to know more about the 'active key' mentioned by alt.

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Yes I was thinking about that too. You have scheduled d1, d2, d3 and d4-7. Where d4-d7 are bad actors.

D4 comes in and says d1-3 were missed blocks and so do d5-d7. Now you have a longer fork and 3 missed blocks. Even though d1-d3 produced a block they got ignored.

Offline bytemaster

found that the reliability of some top 100 active delegates is very low,can we vote out such delegates? although the auto firing mechanism has not been implemented yet, but i found some initial logic was created in the fire operation that the delegate will be auto fired if it signed multiple block or the testimony is invalid, will the low reliability be the third case to fire the unqualified delegate?

Unfortunately low-reliability can also be "faked" in an attack network.
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Offline crazybit

found that the reliability of some top 100 active delegates is very low,can we vote out such delegates? although the auto firing mechanism has not been implemented yet, but i found some initial logic was created in the fire operation that the delegate will be auto fired if it signed multiple block or the testimony is invalid, will the low reliability be the third case to fire the unqualified delegate?

Offline crazybit

Please help to vote my new delegates. many thanks.

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wallet_approve_delegate titan.crazybit
wallet_approve_delegate dpos.crazybit
wallet_approve_delegate anchor.crazybit
« Last Edit: July 23, 2014, 02:26:20 pm by crazybit »

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Thanks for voting my new delegate :  delegate.taolje

wallet_approve_delegate delegate.taolje true

Burn 50% fee, only one delegate

I will airdrop 50% profit to bitsharestalk.org and 50% profit to bitcointalk.org
« Last Edit: July 23, 2014, 07:27:38 pm by taoljj »
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wallet_approve_delegate xeldal
wallet_approve_delegate delegate.xeldal
wallet_approve_delegate delegate2.xeldal
wallet_approve_delegate delegate3.xeldal

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my delegate is delegate-alt, delegate-baozi, delegate-watchman

this is my new delegate
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wallet_approve_delegate delegate.baozi
wallet_approve_delegate delegate2.baozi
wallet_approve_delegate delegate3.baozi
« Last Edit: July 23, 2014, 02:08:34 pm by alt »

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how to change the active key?

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I did so.

My delegate is now not just scroodge, it's mr.scroodge  8)

Please do not hesitate to vote for him.
Help me out:     wallet_approve_delegate mr.scroodge true

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« Last Edit: July 23, 2014, 07:31:38 am by heyD »

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my delegates now have the names
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delegate.xeroc
a.delegate.xeroc
b.delegate.xeroc
c.delegate.xeroc
d.delegate.xeroc
e.delegate.xeroc
f.delegate.xeroc

charity delegates will be
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delegate.delegate
a.delegate.delegate
b.delegate.delegate
c.delegate.delegate
d.delegate.delegate
e.delegate.delegate
f.delegate.delegate
(All earned fees from the charity delegates will be moved over to 'charity')

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I have created new delegate subaccounts for spartako:

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9886  delegate.spartako               0.0000000000 % 0        0        N/A           50 %     0.00000 BTSX        NONE
9887  delegate1.spartako              0.0000000000 % 0        0        N/A           50 %     0.00000 BTSX        NONE 
9888  delegate2.spartako              0.0000000000 % 0        0        N/A           50 %     0.00000 BTSX        NONE
9889  delegate3.spartako              0.0000000000 % 0        0        N/A           50 %     0.00000 BTSX        NONE
9890  delegate4.spartako              0.0000000000 % 0        0        N/A           50 %     0.00000 BTSX        NONE
wallet_account_set_approval spartako

Offline cgafeng

Which command do I use to create a subaccount?


Edit:  Now I know how to create a subaccount from parent account, but how to use the sub account to produce blocks instead?

how to create subaccount?


wallet_account_create sub.parent

wallet_account_register <sub.parent> <parent>

for example:
you have a account that name is p2, now you want to create p1 which is sub account of p2 account, you can do this:

wallet_account_create p1.p2

wallet_account_register p1.p2 p2

Think you. I got it.
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Which command do I use to create a subaccount?


Edit:  Now I know how to create a subaccount from parent account, but how to use the sub account to produce blocks instead?

how to create subaccount?


wallet_account_create sub.parent

wallet_account_register <sub.parent> <parent>

for example:
you have a account that name is p2, now you want to create p1 which is sub account of p2 account, you can do this:

wallet_account_create p1.p2

wallet_account_register p1.p2 p2
« Last Edit: July 23, 2014, 06:55:30 am by dcchong »
wallet_approve_delegate dc-delegate true
wallet_approve_delegate bitsharesx-delegate true

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Which command do I use to create a subaccount?


Edit:  Now I know how to create a subaccount from parent account, but how to use the sub account to produce blocks instead?

how to create subaccount?
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angel-delegate     =>      angel.bitdelegate
lotto-delegate      =>       lotto.bitdelegate
emski                   =>        emski.bitdelegate

I suggest:
angel-delegate     =>      angel-delegate.agsexplorer
lotto-delegate      =>       lotto-delegate.agsexplorer
emski                    =>      delegate.emski

Why should I do that?

Only if you want to run more than one spot and has votes from BM  :)

Starting Thursday I will only vote for delegates that are seeking more than one spot if they use sub-accounts.   This prevents attacks where someone registers similar but different sub-accounts.

Let me rephrase that:
Why should i use agsexplorer instead of bitdelegate ?

Sorry, my mistake, I think that angel-delegate and lotto-delegate it's delegates of agsexplorer.com

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angel-delegate     =>      angel.bitdelegate
lotto-delegate      =>       lotto.bitdelegate
emski                   =>        emski.bitdelegate

I suggest:
angel-delegate     =>      angel-delegate.agsexplorer
lotto-delegate      =>       lotto-delegate.agsexplorer
emski                    =>      delegate.emski

Why should I do that?

Only if you want to run more than one spot and has votes from BM  :)

Starting Thursday I will only vote for delegates that are seeking more than one spot if they use sub-accounts.   This prevents attacks where someone registers similar but different sub-accounts.

Let me rephrase that:
Why should i use agsexplorer instead of bitdelegate ?

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Which command do I use to create a subaccount?


Edit:  Now I know how to create a subaccount from parent account, but how to use the sub account to produce blocks instead of the parent account?
« Last Edit: July 23, 2014, 06:45:03 am by dcchong »
wallet_approve_delegate dc-delegate true
wallet_approve_delegate bitsharesx-delegate true

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angel-delegate     =>      angel.bitdelegate
lotto-delegate      =>       lotto.bitdelegate
emski                   =>        emski.bitdelegate

I suggest:
angel-delegate     =>      angel-delegate.agsexplorer
lotto-delegate      =>       lotto-delegate.agsexplorer
emski                    =>      delegate.emski

Why should I do that?

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angel-delegate     =>      angel.bitdelegate
lotto-delegate      =>       lotto.bitdelegate
emski                   =>        emski.bitdelegate

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And how we create a sub account? Example?

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https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares_toolkit/wiki/Subaccounts


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BitShares supports a system of account hierarchies, where one parent account may have many children, grandchildren, etc. and that parent can update children or grandchildren at will. Subaccounts are denoted by dots in their names, similar to subdomains, so if a user registers an account bob, he may register the subaccount child.bob using bob's private key. This means that only bob may register child.bob, and bob can update child.bob at any time.

Subaccounts can be recursive, so child.bob could authorize the creation of grand.child.bob if he desired. It is useful to note that bob is not able to create grand.child.bob as it is not a direct descendent; however, bob can later update a grandchild after its registration if he desires.

Naming Rules
Each component of a subaccount name must be a valid name, so in the subaccount delegate1.delegates.delegated-proof-of-steak, all of delegate1.delegates.delegated-proof-of-steak, delegates.delegated-proof-of-steak, and delegated-proof-of-steak must be valid accounts as well. This means that 1.delegates.delegated-proof-of-steak is not a valid account name, because 1 is not a valid account name. Names cannot have consecutive dots, i.e. a..b is not a valid account name.

Subaccount rules only apply in one direction, i.e. child.parent and child have no relationship, and both of these accounts may exist.

Updating Rules
A parent may perform a wallet_account_update_registration on any of its descendents, so grand.child.parent may be updated by child.parent or parent, and child.parent may be updated by parent. The parent may authorize such an update using either its active key or its owner key.


Starting Thursday I will only vote for delegates that are seeking more than one spot if they use sub-accounts.   This prevents attacks where someone registers similar but different sub-accounts.
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