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Re: What is Invictus's Policy on Selling their AGS BTSx in first 6-12mo?
« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2014, 05:48:52 pm »

The point is..  Why "guess" when your "guess" isn't anywhere near feasible ?  Why not just ask the question?  Why ask a leading question?  That is what you were doing.  There are reasons why attorneys are not allowed to do it.  Since you are rightly or wrongly seen as an authority in the sphere, the reasons for not doing such are even more pertinent for you than others.

The best part is how you consistently play victim. 

What you did is no different than the "I heard ... ".  The person who says such a thing can always fall back and say "Oh don't attack me, I *stated* it was a rumor".
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Re: What is Invictus's Policy on Selling their AGS BTSx in first 6-12mo?
« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2014, 06:07:40 pm »
I appreciate that people are pro-active in defending us and I also appriciate the role Adam plays.   I think it is important for Adam to understand that people are passionate about coming to our defense because they are really coming to their own defense as they have a stake in the system and feel that the things posted by Adam are harming that stake.

Adam also has a stake (likely larger than those attacking him) and so it makes the entire situation very confusing.  If I may make a suggestion to everyone involved:

1) Assume the best in people
2) After assuming the best, kindly ask Adam to edit / rephrase his question in a way that is more helpful to the cause.

In my own experience, talking with Adam on Skype or in person is 180 degrees from reading what he posts.   I think he relies a lot on other means of communicating intent than just the words he uses.   Lets recognize this weakness in Adam and help him express himself in a way that is not perceived as offensive.  We are stronger working together than fighting against eachother. 

Adam in turn will help us express our ideas in ways that address concerns of a more critical audience.    We have chased off most detractors from these forums and are missing their arguments.   On bitcointalk we I see all kinds of arguments that people perceive things differently than we do and think differently. 

 
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Re: What is Invictus's Policy on Selling their AGS BTSx in first 6-12mo?
« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2014, 06:50:52 pm »
nice said bytemaster

it would be really nice if everyone in this project could be more open about timeline, plans etc. everything is done "behind" the curtains and will be revealed after and not before. this is maybe my personal biggest critique point in everything you (I3) is doing.

more communication and more organized information at the homepages will attract more people. you raised a lot of money and i don't understand why no on is taking care about points like

1. good organized homepage with the best available information right now
2. someone in charge of the community (public relation)
3. more information about what you guys are doing. and i mean not the coders but everyone else. this is not a company project and many people want to have the feeling to be a part of this called "many bitshares to rule same all" project.

so, maybe you guys at I3 take this words and include the community more then you do now.

(just my 2 cents)

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Re: What is Invictus's Policy on Selling their AGS BTSx in first 6-12mo?
« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2014, 08:02:21 pm »
I appreciate that people are pro-active in defending us and I also appriciate the role Adam plays.   I think it is important for Adam to understand that people are passionate about coming to our defense because they are really coming to their own defense as they have a stake in the system and feel that the things posted by Adam are harming that stake.

Adam also has a stake (likely larger than those attacking him) and so it makes the entire situation very confusing. If I may make a suggestion to everyone involved:

1) Assume the best in people
2) After assuming the best, kindly ask Adam to edit / rephrase his question in a way that is more helpful to the cause.

In my own experience, talking with Adam on Skype or in person is 180 degrees from reading what he posts.   I think he relies a lot on other means of communicating intent than just the words he uses.   Lets recognize this weakness in Adam and help him express himself in a way that is not perceived as offensive.  We are stronger working together than fighting against eachother. 

Adam in turn will help us express our ideas in ways that address concerns of a more critical audience.    We have chased off most detractors from these forums and are missing their arguments.   On bitcointalk we I see all kinds of arguments that people perceive things differently than we do and think differently. 

 

I disagree with these arguments! I am reasonably sure you own BTC, quite likely, more BTC than the average user. Your weapon of choice is building software, software that directly competes with BTC and might even lead to its demise.
Adam might and probably has more BTSX than the average Joe or me, but it does not necessarily meant that he doesn’t  have even bigger stakes in other venues. Bitshares lack of success might serve his interest better, is my point. And his weapon of choice are the words, as much as it is the software for you. Trying to convince me that he is not putting every little nuance that he wants in his posts is more than unlikely.

So, I will end up disagreeing with both of you.
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Re: What is Invictus's Policy on Selling their AGS BTSx in first 6-12mo?
« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2014, 08:15:03 pm »
nice said bytemaster

it would be really nice if everyone in this project could be more open about timeline, plans etc. everything is done "behind" the curtains and will be revealed after and not before. this is maybe my personal biggest critique point in everything you (I3) is doing.

more communication and more organized information at the homepages will attract more people. you raised a lot of money and i don't understand why no on is taking care about points like

1. good organized homepage with the best available information right now
2. someone in charge of the community (public relation)
3. more information about what you guys are doing. and i mean not the coders but everyone else. this is not a company project and many people want to have the feeling to be a part of this called "many bitshares to rule same all" project.

so, maybe you guys at I3 take this words and include the community more then you do now.

(just my 2 cents)

Here is the thing.... I post everything I know to these forums almost as soon as I know.   All information is out there... on the chinese side people have created entire blogs dedicated to organizing information available in English from all of my posts.  It is apparently doing wonders for the Chinese side.    No one on the english side has decided to create a blog.  We need blogs by many people who can summarize the latest news for everyone or even decide what is worth for it.   This will help dramatically with SEO. 

Apparently everyone on our team whom I have asked to take point on this has gotten busy with "more pressing issues" and thus we need more manpower... keeping information straight is a full time reporting job in my opinion so it is no wonder Stan, Brian, and others cannot do it.   Fuznuts could create a blog and tackle it... but it will take an entire site like Lets Talk BitShares to keep up... and then people will still complain that it is too hard to stay up to date.    But I think it would be better.

In other words... the info is out there and every complainer has the power to do something about it.  I will probably have to take this on myself in the months ahead.
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Re: What is Invictus's Policy on Selling their AGS BTSx in first 6-12mo?
« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2014, 02:06:56 pm »
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