Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares

[Empirical1]

On the glass half full side, things are improving, getting us listed on more exchanges is a positive step in the right direction https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6868.0

Our first DAC, BitShares X is no 7 of all crypto-currencies and it was released less than a month ago and still doesn't even have full functionality.

Except for Darkcoin, we're talking about only being behind what I think of as the big 5,  Bitcoin, LiteCoin, Ripple, NXT and PeerCoin & all the spots up to no.3 can be taken VERY quickly.

That is a pretty good place to be at this stage.


 

[Shentist]

Charles, Dan, and Stan should work together along with Brian to devise a effective marketing plan.  When I look at Stellar's launch a week ago, I believe Bitshares could learn from its launch.  Do you guys agree?  Let me know your thoughts.

Hadn't heard of Stellar. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole myself. Huge Sharedrops, which so far have only crashed coins, and often seem to be a mechanism to reward devs while trying to appear fair, such as NEM, even sceptical of some others...

This is probably the funniest thing I've read in a while -

The Foundation received a loan of $3,000,000 from Stripe which was subsequently repaid with 2% of the stellars. The Foundation is allowed to use up to 5% of the initial stellars to fund operations (including the loan repayment). 

That would mean Stripe needs Stellar to be worth $150 000 000 just to break even? Like hell they made that initial investment on those terms imo.

The Stellar share drop via Facebook was a great way to market.  The clean interface and straight forward signup process gave ordinary people the opportunity to obtain the new currency.  As a result, many people outside of the crypto community now has Stellar.  I don't think we can say the same for Bitshares.  See the Stellar statshttps://www.stellar.org/stats/.  I just hope we can borrow some aspects from this project and leverage them to our benefit.

I just want BitShares to succeed and adoption is critical to accomplish this end.

I think share drops via facebook are great and so are faucets but we need to find cost effective ways to get people excited about WE are doing. Does anyone feel like there is a buzz around Nxt,XMR,Ether, heck even the Stellar thread on bitcointalk is 45 pages. While we post (hit about 5 pages )about exciting things and no one seems to care but us........

I don't think the issue is with our technology it's with the fact that
a.pts/ags make it simple
b.forum is a mess (we all know it), even if we get them to come they can't find any information quickly
c.Marketing??? 
d.Image   

i don't see people here only complaining. here are a lot who are willing to help.

my points:
1. someone has to get control to the forum who has time and is willing to put some links and threads together - costs nothing. But it seems no one at I3 is willing to set someone in charge.
2. Marketing - i hope everything is fine in the future, but what i can't see and touch i don't trust. i am not against this way, but i don't understand why ignore the brick and mortar way of building something.

@cass
i don't complain i ask, but no one is willing to give a fact answer. only say everything is good and something big is coming is not my style. i started @bitshareshub at twitter by the way, because i think it is a easy way for me to contribute in the future to change the focus of maybe 1,2,3 people and they will talk about bitshares as well and so on.

[Gentso1]

stop complaining -- and start helping ....

I am helping to bring you guys back to reality. Complaining about complaining isn't helping.

Gimme some of that AGS funds, and I will do more in a week than the Marketing Director did the entire time he served.  I can get you ads, sit downs with politicians, blurbs in local newscasts, intros to lobbyists from the top consulting firms. You name it.

While you guys sit around and high five each other and pat each other's backs because you are on the payroll doesn't take away from the fact that outside of the Bitshares code/product, little to no advance in adoption and community sentiment has been made. And by community, I mean cryptocommunity.

This is the second time in two days a paid I3 or Bitshares (I can't even tell which one pays the bills) person has told the community to do something for nothing.

I am sorry, but we donated to AGS, we didn't collect the AGS donations.

We don't have access to those funds.

I have seen no attempt to put the community to work using those funds outside of working on the code.

Give the community an opportunity to produce and you would have better results than that of the doge community.

Ding Ding ding we have a winner

[Gentso1]

Charles, Dan, and Stan should work together along with Brian to devise a effective marketing plan.  When I look at Stellar's launch a week ago, I believe Bitshares could learn from its launch.  Do you guys agree?  Let me know your thoughts.

Hadn't heard of Stellar. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole myself. Huge Sharedrops, which so far have only crashed coins, and often seem to be a mechanism to reward devs while trying to appear fair, such as NEM, even sceptical of some others...

This is probably the funniest thing I've read in a while -

The Foundation received a loan of $3,000,000 from Stripe which was subsequently repaid with 2% of the stellars. The Foundation is allowed to use up to 5% of the initial stellars to fund operations (including the loan repayment). 

That would mean Stripe needs Stellar to be worth $150 000 000 just to break even? Like hell they made that initial investment on those terms imo.

The Stellar share drop via Facebook was a great way to market.  The clean interface and straight forward signup process gave ordinary people the opportunity to obtain the new currency.  As a result, many people outside of the crypto community now has Stellar.  I don't think we can say the same for Bitshares.  See the Stellar statshttps://www.stellar.org/stats/.  I just hope we can borrow some aspects from this project and leverage them to our benefit.

I just want BitShares to succeed and adoption is critical to accomplish this end.

I think share drops via facebook are great and so are faucets but we need to find cost effective ways to get people excited about WE are doing. Does anyone feel like there is a buzz around Nxt,XMR,Ether, heck even the Stellar thread on bitcointalk is 45 pages. While we post (hit about 5 pages )about exciting things and no one seems to care but us........

I don't think the issue is with our technology it's with the fact that
a.pts/ags make it simple
b.forum is a mess (we all know it), even if we get them to come they can't find any information quickly
c.Marketing??? 
d.Image   

[cass]

I'm started to work for III and BitShares since one year ago! Since 3 month i get paid for the continuous work i'm doing! If you share the vision behind ... then it's no problem to get in and help the system crowing... you can be sure .. your efforts will be noticed & honored if they are valuable. But just talking what you could if ... ... I'm tired of this ... leaving this discussion now... my mistake ... better to make no politics ...

I don't see much clarity in the symphony of products, ideas and efforts. Someone needs to scale the vision down and choose something that is easy to explain, brand and release on a systematic schedule. I understand the desire for concurrency; however, to use a programming analogue, don't try to implement a multithreaded application until you actually have the single threaded version working. There is too little mental bandwidth, consumer attention and resources for such a broad vision. Pick something, ship it well and grow from it. 

@Charles: Thx for your input! Well said ...

[tonyk]

stop complaining -- and start helping ....

I am helping to bring you guys back to reality. Complaining about complaining isn't helping.

Gimme some of that AGS funds, and I will do more in a week than the Marketing Director did the entire time he served. I can get you ads, sit downs with politicians, blurbs in local newscasts, intros to lobbyists from the top consulting firms. You name it.

While you guys sit around and high five each other and pat each other's backs because you are on the payroll doesn't take away from the fact that outside of the Bitshares code/product, little to no advance in adoption and community sentiment has been made. And by community, I mean cryptocommunity.

This is the second time in two days a paid I3 or Bitshares (I can't even tell which one pays the bills) person has told the community to do something for nothing.

I am sorry, but we donated to AGS, we didn't collect the AGS donations.

We don't have access to those funds.

I have seen no attempt to put the community to work using those funds outside of working on the code.

Give the community an opportunity to produce and you would have better results than that of the doge community.

If you really can achieve just one of those things (other than the ads) call them directly and they will find a way to pay you.

[toast]

We don't have access to those funds.

I have seen no attempt to put the community to work using those funds outside of working on the code.

Give the community an opportunity to produce and you would have better results than that of the doge community.

Come up with a short plan of action and I will help get access to those funds.

The entire content creation effort was funded by AGS, for example. In the last few weeks a few forum members began receiving AGS money for this.

[bitmeat]

Some people could have really helped if they had access to the funds. Instead Invictus does "as they see fit". I would've preferred voting type of spending. Similar to memory coin. Except MMC didn't really have much of a premise beyond the voting. I agree the community should have been able to fire anyone they are not happy with. Or at least be able to give other a chance to compete for the funds fairly.

[NewMine]

stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing camaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign...

What is the incentive to help for free if others are getting paid for doing nothing? (Abstracts question, I'm not pointing fingers at Brian, I don't know that much about marketing)

Exactly!

The community helped by giving their money away to I3! Don't forget that!
If you wanted the community to do the legwork, you shouldn't have asked for their money.

[Riverhead]

stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing camaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign...

What is the incentive to help for free if others are getting paid for doing nothing? (Abstracts question, I'm not pointing fingers at Brian, I don't know that much about marketing)

I have a fairly large chunk of change (by my modest wealth standards) in PTS and BTSX. Well I am not getting paid directly I have a vested interest in doing what I can to help it succeed. I realize this may not be true for everyone but for me it will be very good if this horse wins .

[NewMine]

stop complaining -- and start helping ....

I am helping to bring you guys back to reality. Complaining about complaining isn't helping.

Gimme some of that AGS funds, and I will do more in a week than the Marketing Director did the entire time he served.  I can get you ads, sit downs with politicians, blurbs in local newscasts, intros to lobbyists from the top consulting firms. You name it.

While you guys sit around and high five each other and pat each other's backs because you are on the payroll doesn't take away from the fact that outside of the Bitshares code/product, little to no advance in adoption and community sentiment has been made. And by community, I mean cryptocommunity.

This is the second time in two days a paid I3 or Bitshares (I can't even tell which one pays the bills) person has told the community to do something for nothing.

I am sorry, but we donated to AGS, we didn't collect the AGS donations.

We don't have access to those funds.

I have seen no attempt to put the community to work using those funds outside of working on the code.

Give the community an opportunity to produce and you would have better results than that of the doge community.

[Riverhead]

stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing campaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign...

  Important to remember this is not a private forum for the BitShares support community.

[charleshoskinson]

stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing camaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign..

The challenge I face when trying to understand modern Bitshares revolves mostly around the brand. There is a cryptoequity concept that is quite evolved and well thought out. There is a DAC toolkit notion (sorry this isn't the same as generalized smart contracts unless you are arguing that ASICs are the same as CPUs). There is a company called Invictus that seems to be rapidly changing. There are all these test DACs entering market. There is Keyhotee. There is a pool of capital called AGS.

I don't see much clarity in the symphony of products, ideas and efforts. Someone needs to scale the vision down and choose something that is easy to explain, brand and release on a systematic schedule. I understand the desire for concurrency; however, to use a programming analogue, don't try to implement a multithreaded application until you actually have the single threaded version working. There is too little mental bandwidth, consumer attention and resources for such a broad vision. Pick something, ship it well and grow from it. 

[bitmeat]

stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing camaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign...

What is the incentive to help for free if others are getting paid for doing nothing? (Abstracts question, I'm not pointing fingers at Brian, I don't know that much about marketing)

[wesphily]

The problem here is the marketing style. Everybody is used to seeing grass roots marketing because that has traditionally been the only way that people hear about something in regards to crypto currency. Brian has identified this as an "alternative" method of marketing and is not focusing on this. There is nothing to measure besides the small things you can see because the things he is working on takes time.

What does this mean? A group of people need to pull together to do the traditional grass roots marketing found on EVERY coin forum. Otherwise, we will just have to wait for the items that Brian is working on which may be a while.