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[santaclause102]

pity

[cass]

pity

[xeroc]

Where is Vato? Has he gone?

It seems so ..
blog gone
forum user gone
forum posts gone

[clayop]

Where is Vato? Has he gone?

[BTSdac]

it is pretty cool statistics.

[Harvey]

Hey, I am in the list 

[svk]

less then 50 people are in control of BitShares.
more than 86% of the Top 126 delegates are multis
10% are completely unknown

cheers
Vato
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11658.0

I would be interested in seeing a list containing only the delegates you've classed as unknown, maybe we can do some investigation to find out who they are!

[svk]

It's been a while since I had three delegates in the top 101, I now have two but I want to retire the .svk31 delegates and replace them with dev.bitsharesblocks.

The problem is BM voted for the .svk31 delegates so until he removes his votes they stay in.

you need a downvote compaign like I did 2 months ago:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7673.0

Done!

[xeroc]

It's been a while since I had three delegates in the top 101, I now have two but I want to retire the .svk31 delegates and replace them with dev.bitsharesblocks.

The problem is BM voted for the .svk31 delegates so until he removes his votes they stay in.

you need a downvote compaign like I did 2 months ago:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7673.0

[BTSdac]

many others want to run a delegates ,but there is no vote LOL 

[svk]

It's been a while since I had three delegates in the top 101, I now have two but I want to retire the .svk31 delegates and replace them with dev.bitsharesblocks.

The problem is BM voted for the .svk31 delegates so until he removes his votes they stay in.

[toast]

I only control 2 enabled delegates, only one of which is elected. So saying I have 6 delegates is a bit misleading. But I guess until there is retirement/key revocation there's no way for you to tell the difference.

BM doesn't control the init delegates.

[pollux]

Delegates without published Version will be recommended for disapproval in the december report.

Could you share the method you are using to get versions from delegates?

I use "blockchain_list_delegates".

Thanks.

For delegates that are ignorant on how to set this:

Code: [Select]

wallet_publish_version <publishing_account_name> [paying_account_name]

[CLains]

I'm sure you can get voted in +6%  - we need all the overview and review that we can get

[pollux]

Delegates without published Version will be recommended for disapproval in the december report.

Could you share the method you are using to get versions from delegates?

[pollux]

My delegate (delegate.pollux) is listed as offline but definitely is running. Would appreciate it if you could verify/update.

[checkrasier]

How does one get added to the approved delegate list?

My delegate is online and updated but I am under the impression you can't publish price feeds if your not in the top 101.

[ripplexiaoshan]

Good job! Thanks for including me.
IMHO,  the file is pretty large, maybe reducing the list to 200-300 delegates will be enough, then you can present all the information on a website. 
Besides, many delegates are identified as "multi", and recommended "disapprove". I hope you reconsider this criteria.  A team maintaining 2 delegates is much better than a single person maintaining 1 delegate, given their technical abilities are on the same level. 
Lastly, if you can persuade BM to exploit your report, you will be famous . After all, the 101 delegates are now merely controlled by BM. 

[toast]

Hi,

delegate-100.nikolai   is now my only delegate (no more "multi"), please approve!

[pollux]

Thanks for building and updating the list.  Good slate.

[cass]

Welcome back …  … addicted now …

[xeroc]

FYI .. he also helped out fixing some german translarions in the GUI ..
Welcome back

[emski]

Oktober 2014 release online
http://kettenblog.wordpress.com/101-delegates

Weren't you going to stop preparing these lists ? Have I missed something?

PS: ... Welcome Back!

[boombastic]

thanks


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[boombastic]

Thanks for the comprehensive list and recommendation.  mr.agsexplorer is honored to be included.  But I noticed in the blog and the HTML file to download, the delegate account is presented as 'mr.agsexplorer *' which is incorrect.  Can you fix it?  Thanks.


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[crazybit]

He misdirected the message.  He is asking happyshares a coding question.

ah,yes.i misdirected the message,i should raise the question to @happyshares.

Hi crazybit, the map is made by mapael , which depends on raphael.js
http://www.neveldo.fr/mapael/
On the site you may find some nice examples too. Hope that helps.

thanks for the infor,but i am unable to access to this site  , i hate china GFW!!!!

[happyshares]

Currently i work hard beside my day job on the announced approval explorer tool that grows daily. See first screenshots here:
https://imageshack.com/a/XA1z/1
When its finished, i come up with a new delegate related to that.
For now i would be glad to stay elected.

Looks awesome. 

oh yea ... ETA?

Hi xeroc. It depends... I think 80% of the work is done. Cause i try to cover all aspects of bitshares and interlink as much as possible from these data for fast navigation.

[happyshares]

He misdirected the message.  He is asking happyshares a coding question.

ah,yes.i misdirected the message,i should raise the question to @happyshares.

Hi crazybit, the map is made by mapael , which depends on raphael.js
http://www.neveldo.fr/mapael/
On the site you may find some nice examples too. Hope that helps.

[santaclause102]

He misdirected the message.  He is asking happyshares a coding question.

ah,yes.i misdirected the message,i should raise the question to @happyshares.

[crazybit]

He misdirected the message.  He is asking happyshares a coding question.

ah,yes.i misdirected the message,i should raise the question to @happyshares.

[santaclause102]

Thanks for the clarifications. I did not provide this map or any map that lists nodes. But I might have missed something. Do you have a link where I provided it?

Here is a map by someone else https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8066.0

[crazybit]

Hi happyshares,
I was not clear about whether your current happyshares delegate has a pay back program or not. I guessed yes since it has the same name. Does it?

HappyShares was canceled see OP!

Also bytemaster knows about the fact, so i use happyshares-2 as my private delegate for now cause he voted me in.
Currently i work hard beside my day job on the announced approval explorer tool that grows daily. See first screenshots here:
https://imageshack.com/a/XA1z/1
When its finished, i come up with a new delegate related to that.
For now i would be glad to stay elected.

I'd recommend anyone to vote for your delegate if it has no payback program. Like I said it was not clear to me because the name "happyshares" was associated "vote buying programs".

delulo, may i know which framework do you use to present the BTSX node in world map?

Did not entirely understand. Could you rephrase that?

regarding the following screenshot you provided, do you want to present the BTSX network client nodes in the world map? any framework is used?
 

[xeroc]

Hi happyshares,
I was not clear about whether your current happyshares delegate has a pay back program or not. I guessed yes since it has the same name. Does it?

HappyShares was canceled see OP!

Also bytemaster knows about the fact, so i use happyshares-2 as my private delegate for now cause he voted me in.
Currently i work hard beside my day job on the announced approval explorer tool that grows daily. See first screenshots here:
https://imageshack.com/a/XA1z/1
When its finished, i come up with a new delegate related to that.
For now i would be glad to stay elected.

I'd recommend anyone to vote for your delegate if it has no payback program. Like I said it was not clear to me because the name "happyshares" was associated "vote buying programs".

delulo, may i know which framework do you use to present the BTSX node in world map?

Did not entirely understand. Could you rephrase that?

I am sure the question was meant for happyshares!

[gamey]

He misdirected the message.  He is asking happyshares a coding question.

[santaclause102]

Hi happyshares,
I was not clear about whether your current happyshares delegate has a pay back program or not. I guessed yes since it has the same name. Does it?

HappyShares was canceled see OP!

Also bytemaster knows about the fact, so i use happyshares-2 as my private delegate for now cause he voted me in.
Currently i work hard beside my day job on the announced approval explorer tool that grows daily. See first screenshots here:
https://imageshack.com/a/XA1z/1
When its finished, i come up with a new delegate related to that.
For now i would be glad to stay elected.

I'd recommend anyone to vote for your delegate if it has no payback program. Like I said it was not clear to me because the name "happyshares" was associated "vote buying programs".

delulo, may i know which framework do you use to present the BTSX node in world map?

Did not entirely understand. Could you rephrase that?

[crazybit]

Hi happyshares,
I was not clear about whether your current happyshares delegate has a pay back program or not. I guessed yes since it has the same name. Does it?

HappyShares was canceled see OP!

Also bytemaster knows about the fact, so i use happyshares-2 as my private delegate for now cause he voted me in.
Currently i work hard beside my day job on the announced approval explorer tool that grows daily. See first screenshots here:
https://imageshack.com/a/XA1z/1
When its finished, i come up with a new delegate related to that.
For now i would be glad to stay elected.

I'd recommend anyone to vote for your delegate if it has no payback program. Like I said it was not clear to me because the name "happyshares" was associated "vote buying programs".

delulo, may i know which framework do you use to present the BTSX node in world map?

[xeroc]

Currently i work hard beside my day job on the announced approval explorer tool that grows daily. See first screenshots here:
https://imageshack.com/a/XA1z/1
When its finished, i come up with a new delegate related to that.
For now i would be glad to stay elected.

Looks awesome. 

oh yea ... ETA?

[santaclause102]

Hi happyshares,
I was not clear about whether your current happyshares delegate has a pay back program or not. I guessed yes since it has the same name. Does it?

Hi delulo,
there is no payback program anymore. Here
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5775.msg77810#msg77810
one can read that it was canceled 2 months ago.

HappyShares was canceled see OP!

Also bytemaster knows about the fact, so i use happyshares-2 as my private delegate for now cause he voted me in.
Currently i work hard beside my day job on the announced approval explorer tool that grows daily. See first screenshots here:
https://imageshack.com/a/XA1z/1
When its finished, i come up with a new delegate related to that.
For now i would be glad to stay elected.

I'd recommend anyone to vote for your delegate if it has no payback program. Like I said it was not clear to me because the name "happyshares" was associated "vote buying programs". 

[happyshares]

Hi happyshares,
I was not clear about whether your current happyshares delegate has a pay back program or not. I guessed yes since it has the same name. Does it?

Hi delulo,
there is no payback program anymore. Here
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5775.msg77810#msg77810
one can read that it was canceled 2 months ago.

HappyShares was canceled see OP!

Also bytemaster knows about the fact, so i use happyshares-2 as my private delegate for now cause he voted me in.
Currently i work hard beside my day job on the announced approval explorer tool that grows daily. See first screenshots here:
https://imageshack.com/a/XA1z/1
When its finished, i come up with a new delegate related to that.
For now i would be glad to stay elected.

[santaclause102]

did you check happyshares? https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5775.msg77810#msg77810
Good guy but flawed incentive model (Flawed for the health of the system, see https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78930#msg78930).

i identified 14 delegates related to happyshares, only 1 is approved.
i will rethink his approval on the next report.

What do you mean by "only 1 is approved"?
Happyshares promised to pay those who vote for him. If such a voting habit is vastly adopted it significantly weakens DPOS (see the two links for more details). Therefore such deals should not be approved in general!

Agreed, happyshares is now completely disapproved

+ made some important last minute changes to the list.
_ changed sort order so it is cristal clear that many of the 101 delegates are sock puppets and multis.
_ found some more insiders and unknown delegates

For the trust in DPOS i hope stakeholders will review their votes...

At the Moment we have 34 approved delegates not in the Top101 while 69 disapproved delegates are in.
Thats not enough to make the Top101 free of fraud but it would be a beginning.

This is completely incomprehensible, since everybody knows that i have canceled the happyshares project.
Delulo, you should know better, cause we talked about by PM. So no reason to vote me out people. Thanks!

Hi happyshares,
I was not clear about whether your current happyshares delegate has a pay back program or not. I guessed yes since it has the same name. Does it?

[happyshares]

did you check happyshares? https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5775.msg77810#msg77810
Good guy but flawed incentive model (Flawed for the health of the system, see https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78930#msg78930).

i identified 14 delegates related to happyshares, only 1 is approved.
i will rethink his approval on the next report.

What do you mean by "only 1 is approved"?
Happyshares promised to pay those who vote for him. If such a voting habit is vastly adopted it significantly weakens DPOS (see the two links for more details). Therefore such deals should not be approved in general!

Agreed, happyshares is now completely disapproved

+ made some important last minute changes to the list.
_ changed sort order so it is cristal clear that many of the 101 delegates are sock puppets and multis.
_ found some more insiders and unknown delegates

For the trust in DPOS i hope stakeholders will review their votes...

At the Moment we have 34 approved delegates not in the Top101 while 69 disapproved delegates are in.
Thats not enough to make the Top101 free of fraud but it would be a beginning.

This is completely incomprehensible, since everybody knows that i have canceled the happyshares project.
Delulo, you should know better, cause we talked about by PM. So no reason to vote me out people. Thanks!

[svk]

Good job man, and thanks for including my primary delegate

[mtang]

Great job~
Thanks a lot for adding my delegate into your recommand list.
That's my pleasure.

[gamey]

Well I personally think no one should control more than 1 delegate, but this is open to discussion and everyone is free to publish a list on his own with other criterias.
I will try to bring this list on Google but I don't think I will be able to do so in the next days as I already invested a couple of days in this Project and need to motivate myself for the next work. 

My dream is to have something similar to yours but no subjective decisions.  All objective and empirical + verified.  Then once we have a nice json feed of that, we can start building slates created off different criteria.  If you want to support guys who do the max burn rate, then that would be simple to do.   Not entirely sure about the interface, but this would be a step in that direction.  Also, the data could then be put on multiple sites.  Basically any site interested in BTSX could use the JSON feed to power whatever web-widget flavor they use.   That will be a lot once we start to catch up with BTC.

[santaclause102]

Vato, can we see your (weighted) criteria somewhere?  I consider trustworthiness to be the the most important thing (just not someone that wants to harm the network intentionally), more important than up time etc. How do you measure that / factor that in ?

This is a good experiment for RDPOS and for testing how practicable it its! So great effort! Keep it up.

[gamey]

Did you remove all of xeroc's delegates or just some of them ?

I like this idea.  In fact I tried to get another forum user to create something like this but using a lot more of the forum info.  It would be nice to read the platforms etc of the delegates.  Where their charity goes.  Then there are other things, like length of time on forum, # of posts etc.

you can search with your browser through the list with F3 ? so there is one delegate approved that is under the control of xeroc as far as i know.

new informations will be added if useful and i will try to improve the list with every release.

I only glanced at this earlier and thought search wasn't working.  I do think that some people should not have multiple delegates held against them if they've been part of the community for a long time, like 2013 with a lot of posts.

Going through the sub-forum and integrating all that info is very useful.  I had a spreadsheet I had started on but realized I was doing too many things so never started on it. 

I would like to see forum accounts of the delegates, the signup date of their forum account, , the number of posts on a certain day, etc.  Just everything to show how committed they've been to the ecosystem.  I tried to get someone else to do it, but not sure if there is near the need with your work.  Good job.

I wanted to take something like this with every relevant column then make a JSON feed off it.  Then with JSON feed, people could write tool easily to select slate according to criteria.  If the data source criteria are kept relevant and accurate (by audit/manual update) then we have something to help enable voting.

BTW making JSON feed from google spreadsheet seems quite easy.   I haven't done it but it looked easy with a quick google.

[CoinHoarder]

Thanks for including me, and thank you for taking the time to review all delegates.

I will change some of my votes around.

[emski]

You might want to remove lotto.bitdelegate from the list and use angel.bitdelegate instead.
Reasons: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5368.0

[santaclause102]

did you check happyshares? https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5775.msg77810#msg77810
Good guy but flawed incentive model (Flawed for the health of the system, see https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78930#msg78930).

i identified 14 delegates related to happyshares, only 1 is approved.
i will rethink his approval on the next report.

What do you mean by "only 1 is approved"?
Happyshares promised to pay those who vote for him. If such a voting habit is vastly adopted it significantly weakens DPOS (see the two links for more details). Therefore such deals should not be approved in general!

[santaclause102]

did you check happyshares? https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5775.msg77810#msg77810
Good guy but flawed incentive model (Flawed for the health of the system, see https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78930#msg78930).

[gamey]

Did you remove all of xeroc's delegates or just some of them ?

I like this idea.  In fact I tried to get another forum user to create something like this but using a lot more of the forum info.  It would be nice to read the platforms etc of the delegates.  Where their charity goes.  Then there are other things, like length of time on forum, # of posts etc.

[cass]

Great job, it's very meaningful

 

[ripplexiaoshan]

Great job, it's very meaningful

[Xeldal]

List is looking much better. Many on the list have proven records. Looking forward to your continued progress.
 

[emski]

The effort he put was at least announcing what he was going to do and reading all the data sent to him (as PM or in his thread).
It is clear that he didn't put a lot of work in additional investigation but it is better than nothing (... OK arguably).

There are several items that I consider a bad practice:

The paid AND not clearly indicated positions in the list (if any).
The non-weighted criteria (for example 5 points for hardware, 10 points for reliability, 7 gut feeling).
The unexplained gut-feeling (actually if the above rule is available this is OK).

The article needs a lot of improvement but it needs to start from somewhere...

[Riverhead]

This is pretty cool! It's great for people to have a place to review who's who and what they offer. Maybe my spot is going to be gone soon .

[Xeldal]

I'm sorry, but this list is complete garbage.  (No offense to the legitimate names on the list) 

There are at least 15 to 20 names on your list that have already been shown, with very high probability, to be the same user.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5939.0

I can only suspect you have put near zero effort into vetting these delegates.

You will receive no support from me without some *serious* reworking.

Edit: less harsh

[CLains]

Great work. Would like to see more explicit info about how these are selected, and stats for each.

[liondani]

some info's about me and my delegate.liondani
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6406.0

I would like to know your thought's,
feel free to mention anything you maybe don't like 
it will help me to improve

[santaclause102]

"eligius
...
gmaxwell
...
sunnyking"

Those are not G .maxwell, sunny king and Eligius. Someone tried to trick people into thinking it would be...

cloudhashing and blockerupter I dont know but sounds suspicous.

[emski]

The algorithm uses the following criterias
is the delegate active?
whats the reliabilty?
who is the owner? (only one delegate per Person, mostly)
gut feeling of KettenBlog

(not implemented yet)
how many paid positions are on the list?
verified?
Location
backup system
...

My primary goal is to provide a new service for my blog readers and promoting my delegate to compensate my work as blog author.
The list is aimed to get always some fresh good blood into the circulation of the 101 delegates.
I would never publish a list with only or mostly payed positions. I could imagine to provide up to 10 paid positions but at the moment there is none and if there will be ever a paid position i will note the count prominently on the list to keep it transparently.

Everybody can create and publish his own list and this filter algorithm is only a help for me to simplify my decision process.

Is this the first time you publish the criteria?
I would suggest you add this on top of the list.
Good Job!

Another question: Are the criteria listed by priority?

[emski]

Why not provide some information on the criteria used to create the list.
So far we see a list of names generated by algorithm + manual labor but it doesn't define why someone will get into that list.
Were you using only your gut feeling for that, payment system ?

[bitcoinerS]

Add me to your list please.

[xeroc]

There will be a way to publish a so called "slate" (set of delegates) that you can vote on .. but that is not implemented complelty at the moment .. but it will come!

BTW, thanks for your effort ... it is well appreciated

[MinerVato]

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