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I feel depressed about the development progress right now and sorry for that i have to say something which is really unpleasant to the ear.

Please, work and all focus on bitshares XT. Stop discussing the other things or just let Stan to be responsible for the discussion part. All programmers just work onthe codes.

I think we are too slow. Orignially I thought it was because we wanted something perfect. But now, I think it is because 3I have too many thoughts but lack of execution ability. A brilliant idea is worth nothing, only the team could make it can earn billions of dollars.

See NXT, they work so fast with only 21 BTC. I think that's because they are more concentrated. 3I have so many BTCs and PTSs. However, until now, nothing,  even a wallet without any real market funtion seems to be so far away from being released.

I think, first, stop thinking so many ideas. It is useless.
Second, please do not waste too much time on the forum and see everybody's opinion. It is also useless.
Only one thing matters, that is trying to make some real product.

Focus, execution ability are the only two things which are imporant for 3I teams.

Please, make some products. Before that, stop saying anything. It is useless. 

If you guys go to the forum and say something that should be, when you could release the products. Can anyone answer this? If no, please just work on XT with full concentration and stop thinking the other things too much.

« Last Edit: June 23, 2014, 06:18:47 AM by tianshi »

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Re: Please, make something and stop thinking too much abou the others
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2014, 06:16:31 AM »
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Re: Please, make something and stop thinking too much about the others
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2014, 06:28:15 AM »
And I just heard that even Darkcoin has released a new wallet version and BitID can be tradeable.

feel so dissapointed~

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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2014, 06:33:49 AM »
I hear you... we spend very little time over all thinking about all of these other things.   Focusing on XT is all we are doing right now and if you have been following the dry run tests you will see that the basic wallet functions are there and the rate of improvement is vastly faster these past few weeks.   

It is so close that it could probably be launched for real and upgraded on the fly at any time.   
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Re: Please, make something and stop thinking too much about the others
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2014, 06:36:16 AM »
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Re: Please, make something and stop thinking too much abou the others
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2014, 06:37:44 AM »
There is far too much posting in the main threads by newly registered participants attempting to disrupt rather than contribute. The best way to keep this forum focused would be to have a 30 day waiting period where "newbies" are only allowed to post in a "newbie" thread.

If a newly registered poster has been a "long time lurker",  too bad. Because you might just be a sock puppet inculcating dissent. Or you are a hit and run investor hoping for "pump and dump" style profits and share not of the philosophical underpinnings of III.

Anyone who has been around this forum for months knows in their bones the utter integrity of the Bitshares team. You may not agree with all their decisions, but you know they are attempting to do the best they can for PTS and AGS holders and for the DAC ecosystem.

Some people have a need to tear things down rather than build things up. I personally don't understand that attitude, but hey, it takes all kinds. But it seems to me unwise to allow such people into the main threads until they have at least shown enough persistence to sit through a 30 day waiting period. Most will just gravitate to go on to badmouth other forums where little determination or creativity, and zero positive contribution, is required rather than undergo a 30 day period of learning and reflection.

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Re: Please, make something and stop thinking too much abou the others
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2014, 07:04:10 AM »
There is far too much posting in the main threads by newly registered participants attempting to disrupt rather than contribute. The best way to keep this forum focused would be to have a 30 day waiting period where "newbies" are only allowed to post in a "newbie" thread.
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Or maybe write permissions to theses boards only if they have 40+ posts .. only writeable the newbie and techsupport boards!
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Re: Please, make something and stop thinking too much about the others
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2014, 07:19:08 AM »
And I just heard that even Darkcoin has released a new wallet version and BitID can be tradeable.

feel so dissapointed~
LOL

That is exactly what I thought for the real reason behind recent price climb of darkcoin which has nothing to do with the coin.
People just skrew themselves by mixing things up!

In short:

DarkWallet IS NOT releated to darkcoin!!!

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/28uk9n/darkwallet_alpha_5_release_introducing_bitid/

EDIT: thinking about it just hurts!
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Re: Please, make something and stop thinking too much abou the others
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2014, 07:58:42 AM »
There is far too much posting in the main threads by newly registered participants attempting to disrupt rather than contribute. The best way to keep this forum focused would be to have a 30 day waiting period where "newbies" are only allowed to post in a "newbie" thread.

If a newly registered poster has been a "long time lurker",  too bad. Because you might just be a sock puppet inculcating dissent. Or you are a hit and run investor hoping for "pump and dump" style profits and share not of the philosophical underpinnings of III.

Anyone who has been around this forum for months knows in their bones the utter integrity of the Bitshares team. You may not agree with all their decisions, but you know they are attempting to do the best they can for PTS and AGS holders and for the DAC ecosystem.

Some people have a need to tear things down rather than build things up. I personally don't understand that attitude, but hey, it takes all kinds. But it seems to me unwise to allow such people into the main threads until they have at least shown enough persistence to sit through a 30 day waiting period. Most will just gravitate to go on to badmouth other forums where little determination or creativity, and zero positive contribution, is required rather than undergo a 30 day period of learning and reflection.

Thank you for your genius speech ~ but actually some newbies are not real newbies, they may have been on this forum for long time like me.  i don't feel dissapointed since the first day i was with 3I. i have waited for over half a year and gradually lose some of the confidence (not all, but some, about 50% )     :)

i think BM works so hard, and he might be a very talented man, and i think BM is very nice person.  most team members seem to be good.

but it also seems that by now, 3I is not very successful and did not do a very good job that satisfy most people because you can see it through the AGS donation situation and the PTS price.

in recent months,  darkcoin,nxt, blackcoin , bitcoin price perform well, and that means most people satisfy about them
however, 3I is not good enough.
 
sometimes, Chinese people may express their love to someone by critizing them.

as an Chinese saying gose "scold is love"







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Re: Please, make something and stop thinking too much about the others
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2014, 08:29:58 AM »
I would not worry, looking at the code the progress that has been made is really good. Once the main core framework is ready, the creation of DACs will be "rather" easy, but to do so you need a solid framework (toolkit) which is what has been happening up until now, this is not just a wallet. Getting the main framework right cannot be done by adding lots of extra resource, so the expenditure / resources should be minimum at this part, but once is ready and it allows to do so, more resources can be added. We have already experienced this by seeing the addition to the team Toast or Hackfisher.
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Re: Please, make something and stop thinking too much about the others
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2014, 12:27:54 AM »
They say the truth hurts and from my point of view getting rid of Charles Hoskinson looks to have been a bad business decision.

Why?

Well, let's start with the fact that by many metrics the I3 team is doing phenomenal when compared to the Ethereum team but despite this you hear nothing about Bitshares or how great it will be out in the media. Then you look at Ethereum and everybody is all excited about  "Turing complete" and everyone drools in admiration. I don't think they have even raised funds yet either.

At any rate, I think we're all just anxious about the success of Bitshares and unfortunately even if you have lost confidence there is nothing you can do other than wait it out if you vested exclusively in AGS.
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Re: Please, make something and stop thinking too much abou the others
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2014, 01:05:26 AM »
There is far too much posting in the main threads by newly registered participants attempting to disrupt rather than contribute. The best way to keep this forum focused would be to have a 30 day waiting period where "newbies" are only allowed to post in a "newbie" thread.

If a newly registered poster has been a "long time lurker",  too bad. Because you might just be a sock puppet inculcating dissent. Or you are a hit and run investor hoping for "pump and dump" style profits and share not of the philosophical underpinnings of III.

Anyone who has been around this forum for months knows in their bones the utter integrity of the Bitshares team. You may not agree with all their decisions, but you know they are attempting to do the best they can for PTS and AGS holders and for the DAC ecosystem.

Some people have a need to tear things down rather than build things up. I personally don't understand that attitude, but hey, it takes all kinds. But it seems to me unwise to allow such people into the main threads until they have at least shown enough persistence to sit through a 30 day waiting period. Most will just gravitate to go on to badmouth other forums where little determination or creativity, and zero positive contribution, is required rather than undergo a 30 day period of learning and reflection.

Thank you for your genius speech ~ but actually some newbies are not real newbies, they may have been on this forum for long time like me.  i don't feel dissapointed since the first day i was with 3I. i have waited for over half a year and gradually lose some of the confidence (not all, but some, about 50% )     :)

i think BM works so hard, and he might be a very talented man, and i think BM is very nice person.  most team members seem to be good.

but it also seems that by now, 3I is not very successful and did not do a very good job that satisfy most people because you can see it through the AGS donation situation and the PTS price.

in recent months,  darkcoin,nxt, blackcoin , bitcoin price perform well, and that means most people satisfy about them
however, 3I is not good enough.
 
sometimes, Chinese people may express their love to someone by critizing them.

as an Chinese saying gose "scold is love"

Sorry, I did not express myself well enough because I was not referring to you. Your posting is very polite and expresses your concern without being too negative.

What I was trying to call attention to is the large number of newbies who on the first day they register and in their first post are expressing very negative opinions on different threads. I was hoping that these people could be held to posting only in the "newbie" section until they have been registered for 30 days because they are causing unnecessary FUD and dissension in the threads.

Some others have stated the opinion that this negativity may be deliberate to drive down the price of PTS just before the launching of the first DAC in order to buy in cheap now and then sell for a quick profit if prices skyrocket upon the pending release. And this is indeed a possiblity.

Is there any harm to confining a newcomer to posting only in the "newbie" section for 30 days while they read the history and become familiar with developments? If they are not sock puppets or manipulators deliberately spreading FUD, and they are indeed new to this forum, this will give them a chance to research and then speak from a greater knowledge base.

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Re: Please, make something and stop thinking too much abou the others
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2014, 03:07:01 AM »
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Yep.

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Re: Please, make something and stop thinking too much abou the others
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2014, 03:55:24 AM »
There is far too much posting in the main threads by newly registered participants attempting to disrupt rather than contribute. The best way to keep this forum focused would be to have a 30 day waiting period where "newbies" are only allowed to post in a "newbie" thread.

If a newly registered poster has been a "long time lurker",  too bad. Because you might just be a sock puppet inculcating dissent. Or you are a hit and run investor hoping for "pump and dump" style profits and share not of the philosophical underpinnings of III.

Anyone who has been around this forum for months knows in their bones the utter integrity of the Bitshares team. You may not agree with all their decisions, but you know they are attempting to do the best they can for PTS and AGS holders and for the DAC ecosystem.

Some people have a need to tear things down rather than build things up. I personally don't understand that attitude, but hey, it takes all kinds. But it seems to me unwise to allow such people into the main threads until they have at least shown enough persistence to sit through a 30 day waiting period. Most will just gravitate to go on to badmouth other forums where little determination or creativity, and zero positive contribution, is required rather than undergo a 30 day period of learning and reflection.

Thank you for your genius speech ~ but actually some newbies are not real newbies, they may have been on this forum for long time like me.  i don't feel dissapointed since the first day i was with 3I. i have waited for over half a year and gradually lose some of the confidence (not all, but some, about 50% )     :)

i think BM works so hard, and he might be a very talented man, and i think BM is very nice person.  most team members seem to be good.

but it also seems that by now, 3I is not very successful and did not do a very good job that satisfy most people because you can see it through the AGS donation situation and the PTS price.

in recent months,  darkcoin,nxt, blackcoin , bitcoin price perform well, and that means most people satisfy about them
however, 3I is not good enough.
 
sometimes, Chinese people may express their love to someone by critizing them.

as an Chinese saying gose "scold is love"

Sorry, I did not express myself well enough because I was not referring to you. Your posting is very polite and expresses your concern without being too negative.

What I was trying to call attention to is the large number of newbies who on the first day they register and in their first post are expressing very negative opinions on different threads. I was hoping that these people could be held to posting only in the "newbie" section until they have been registered for 30 days because they are causing unnecessary FUD and dissension in the threads.

Some others have stated the opinion that this negativity may be deliberate to drive down the price of PTS just before the launching of the first DAC in order to buy in cheap now and then sell for a quick profit if prices skyrocket upon the pending release. And this is indeed a possiblity.

Is there any harm to confining a newcomer to posting only in the "newbie" section for 30 days while they read the history and become familiar with developments? If they are not sock puppets or manipulators deliberately spreading FUD, and they are indeed new to this forum, this will give them a chance to research and then speak from a greater knowledge base.

I think you are right about newbie part.

And i am quite worried about 3I right now. really worried. it seems that the perfectionism and low excution ability of this team may ruin the whole thing.

no products for over half a year. even a stable wallet?  a stable wallet without any market function!  Everytime when i think of this, i feel i am gonna cry.

And the whole team are still thinking about too many ideas which have no relation about releasing the first functional product- BTS XT.

That's why so many people are overacted yesterday.

 

 


 

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