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General Discussion / Re: Job Bank (Get Work) DAC
« on: March 04, 2014, 05:25:03 am »
It would be very interesting to see people use this DAC to hire programmers, to help them create their own DACs!

It's a bit of a chicken-egg situation at the moment, hopefully someone jumps on this soon as it'll have the potential to greatly increase the rate at which DAC's are produced.

So how can we get started on this? It's almost time.

How do we crowdfund the initial development of the DAC? Once it's built then it should fund itself. But do we have a trusted third party willing to build it and if not how do we assemble one?

To build it you'll need a functioning Keyhotee to manage reputation. You'll need a PoS blockchain which allows for voting on the priority of tasks listed on a decentralized database or inside the blockchain itself if you want to do it that way.

Let's discuss how to build it?

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General Discussion / Re: On Marketing and Priorities
« on: March 04, 2014, 05:04:52 am »
The basic idea seems to be similar to MyHammer, right?
http://www.myhammer.co.uk/
http://www.my-hammer.de/
http://techcrunch.com/2009/03/17/two-new-ways-to-find-a-job-auction-yourself-off-at-jobaphile-or-do-a-twitterjobsearch/
No not at all. The bounty exchange idea is based around the concept of a bounty auction. The purpose of a bounty auction is to reduce the costs of labor but it's not necessary good for long term jobs, or for quality.  Having it on an exchange could automate the process so we don't have to do it on a forum in the most centralized fashion.

The decentralized task list is a way to simulate mining using human labor to earn credits or shares in a DAC. This will allow a DAC to use an algorithm to allocate shares based on some Proof of Contribution.

Jobaphile is an example of the bounty auction idea in practice. It's called a job auction but it's supposed to serve the same function as the idea below only using cryptocurrency, pseudo-anonymous, decentralized, and the DAC itself gets some kind of fee for every completed job (fee structure could be figured out later but it's supposed to be a kind of job auction exchange business).

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=998.0

Any developers interested in the DAC ideas I presented, go to my threads on the subject and give suggestions. How could we kickstart the process? I believe once it's started it will be something which can ideally fund itself in the same way Bitshares is doing, or Bitcoin. The first step in the process that I can think of to kickstart is to offer a bounty for anyone who can figure out how to build this DAC in the form of a technical specification. The idea I put on the forum is the most basic outline but like I said before how exactly do you manage the angelfunds without centralization? You solve that problem and we can build the DAC.

For Bitcoin no one has to be paid to market it because as we market it the price goes up and the places we can spend it increases. So we get rewarded like employees indirectly. For Bitshares it's going to be harder because there is no network effect to rely on, but in other ways its going to be easier because Bitshares as a technology can do things Bitcoin cannot do such as be the launchpad for actual DACs with profit motives.



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General Discussion / Re: On Marketing and Priorities
« on: March 04, 2014, 04:51:28 am »
Lucky, I would put PTS towards this if it gave me back the platforms token.   Is my understanding correct?

Yeah it would take in PTS and give out the platforms tokens using the same angel process to used to generate BTS. From there the bounty distribution mechanism would make the platform build itself as it's funded. The human participants would be paid in shares.

I presented this idea to the Mastercoin and Counterparty teams. It's going to be implemented independently by both of these teams. I originally posted the idea on this forum but no one paid much attention to it at the time. Bytemaster did comment on it but said he did not like the voting aspect of it but I see no better way of doing it besides with Proof of Stake voting.

I had wanted bounties to replace mining so that people have a way to mine with their labor in a way.

Lucky, that's a fantastic idea!  What's preventing this from being developed at the moment?

Funding and developers. It is likely being developed in the background in some form by the Mastercoin and Counterparty community but this is a DAC which is best suited for the Bitshares community because it's supposed to be profit driven.

If you can find a team of developers who are trustworthy enough, who have the right skills, then let's get started. One thing about Invictus being a corporation is you do have an easier time bootstrapping DACs.

The problem right now is how to bootstrap or crowd fund? There would need to be some sort of collateral or some trusted person behind it. Say we set up an angel fund then who is supposed to keep that fund safe? The technology isn't set up yet so that we can decentralize the management of funds so how would we do this? M of N transactions?

The bounty exchange is a lot easier though. We could build that as soon as Keyhotee and the reputation elements are in place to allow us to do ratings.



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General Discussion / Re: On Marketing and Priorities
« on: March 04, 2014, 02:09:55 am »
Why don't we do something similar to Peercoin's "Peer4Commit" project (http://peer4commit.com/)?
The community could basically vote with AGS/PTS which project they'd like next based on funding.  AGS could be forked and the chain used to fund projects but not otherwise tradable... or could be redeemed for PTS at a premium.


Here is my idea for a DAC which could solve these sorts of problems in an even more decentralized way.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=998.0

And it does not require a fork. All you have to do is create the DAC and then fill up a fund by using the angelshare process.

Below is how it works
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Input: Human labor--> "Mining"
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DAC: Sort algorithm maintains a task list updated by humans stored in the blockchain, where the sort algorithm allows human beings to vote up or down to adjust the priority level "importance" of each task.
DAC: Value is determined by community voted task priority and popularity. If the task is very popular then "difficulty" shall rise to redirect the flow of labor to less desirable more important tasks.
DAC: Maintains a ledger or spreadsheet which constantly updates detailing which Keyhotee ID did which task.
DAC: Can hire human beings or scripts (autonomous agents) to do tasks either separately or working together. (Credits earned by a script can be used by the script to pay humans for the updating of the script)
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Keyhotee: Maintains reputations, allows for up or down votes, allows for notice of task completion which again receives up or down vote by a pool of trusted Keyhotee IDs to verify it as true or false. (As an administrator who verifies the work of others you would get paid to check whether or not others have completed their task and the greater your accuracy the better your credit rating or reputation for doing that particular task. You are like a referee for the system. This job may also involve preventing spammers, cheaters, other Keyhotee IDs will anonymously review your work and get paid on their accuracy as well)
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Output: Signature campaigns, website development, documentation, FAQs, tweets, YouTube videos, Facebook pages, memes, or anything else.

Output can be measured for success. If an output is considered a failure such as if it is spam, if someone did not follow the rules, or if it has a completely negative impact then that output can be reviewed during the verification process and credit score shall adjust based upon the result of that review. In most cases there should be nothing to review because reviewers would have to be compensated and the anonymous reviewers of those reviewers would have to get their cut as well so this action should be avoided unless a significant amount of people in the community vote for and pay for a review/audit.
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Social contract: Any DAC which wants to use the services of this DAC must set aside shares in their DAC to pay for its services. This DAC is to be set up for the benefit of the humans and autonomous agents who work for it and for the community as a whole to benefit from it.


Once the marketing fund is filled then the voters who filled it would determine how many shares are distributed for certain jobs. This DAC can later on be used for all kinds of tasks and the dividend can go to the initial shareholders who invested in the angel process.

Additional ideas which can be adopted right now and adapted to a decentralized marketing campaign. I don't think we should use Peer4Commit, why not use our own DAC technology to solve the centralization problem? If you're worried that power is being centralized into Invictus then use the DAC and angel process to decentralize it in a way which is profitable for angel investors (and that could include Invictus employees).

How about a bounty exchange platform with an Ask/Bid?

This is essentially a bounty auction and exchange platform. It is completely algorithmic in approach and completely automated. It determines the true market price of any kind of labor by reaching the equilibrium point between the supply and demand through the bid/ask.

It would be centralized at first but could be made decentralized, it's also a way to determine who would be selected for the bounty in a completely automated fashion.

It may even allow workers to trade jobs on the exchange provided they do so before the expiration date. This way if a worker bit off more than he could chew he could exchange his bounty with someone else and they'd get paid in his place if they complete it.

Instructions
As the employer first you'd put up your bidding price which is the highest you're willing to pay, then a bunch of potential bid fillers put up their asking price and according to the algorithm it would meet in the middle according to supply and demand at an equilibrium point. This would give the market the true price of the labor.
Input: Employers enter a job description and bidding price to be displayed as the maximum bounty reward.
Input: Employees/Job hunters enter their asking prices, mapped to their Keyhotee IDs.
DAC: An algorithm selects the employee willing to work for the lowest asking price (lowest bounty reward)
DAC: A bot sends an encrypted message to the public key of the Keyhotee ID address and sends a bounty token to their wallet.
DAC: The transaction and exchange exist entirely in a blockchain so that if necessary anyone with that bounty token can exchange their bounty token for anyone else's.
Output1: The job is completed by the expiration date on the bounty token, and the bounty token is redeemed at the true price of labor in the market.
Output2: The job is not completed by the expiration date and the bounty token is never redeemed, therefore it is invalid and expired.
Social Contract: 50% Protoshares, 45% Angelshares, 5% Promotion, Discount and Giveaway shares

What could go wrong? Someone could lose their bounty token and then the bounty would expire wasting valuable time. On the other hand it would save time if someone can trade their received bounty with another person or split their bounty with another person all in automated fashion by using the divisibility of the bounty token. So if I did 90% of the labor and I could not do that final 10% then I could break off 10% of the bounty token and give it to anyone willing to work for it.

Let me know if this idea could work?

In addition to the main idea
This idea is revised and refined here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1413.msg15246#msg15246

A simple diagram could illustrate the conceptual infographic as:

Input: Human labor--> "Mining"
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DAC: Sort algorithm maintains a task list updated by humans stored in the blockchain, where the sort algorithm allows human beings to vote up or down to adjust the priority level "importance" of each task.
DAC: Value is determined by community voted task priority and popularity. If the task is very popular then "difficulty" shall rise to redirect the flow of labor to less desirable more important tasks.
DAC: Maintains a ledger or spreadsheet which constantly updates detailing which Keyhotee ID did which task.
DAC: Can hire human beings or scripts (autonomous agents) to do tasks either separately or working together. (Credits earned by a script can be used by the script to pay humans for the updating of the script)
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Keyhotee: Maintains reputations, allows for up or down votes, allows for notice of task completion which again receives up or down vote by a pool of trusted Keyhotee IDs to verify it as true or false. (As an administrator who verifies the work of others you would get paid to check whether or not others have completed their task and the greater your accuracy the better your credit rating or reputation for doing that particular task. You are like a referee for the system. This job may also involve preventing spammers, cheaters, other Keyhotee IDs will anonymously review your work and get paid on their accuracy as well)
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Output: Signature campaigns, website development, documentation, FAQs, tweets, YouTube videos, Facebook pages, memes, or anything else.

Output can be measured for success. If an output is considered a failure such as if it is spam, if someone did not follow the rules, or if it has a completely negative impact then that output can be reviewed during the verification process and credit score shall adjust based upon the result of that review. In most cases there should be nothing to review because reviewers would have to be compensated and the anonymous reviewers of those reviewers would have to get their cut as well so this action should be avoided unless a significant amount of people in the community vote for and pay for a review/audit.
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Social contract: Any DAC which wants to use the services of this DAC must set aside shares in their DAC to pay for its services. This DAC is to be set up for the benefit of the humans and autonomous agents who work for it and for the community as a whole to benefit from it.

We can create this DAC without permission from Invictus and fund our own marketing campaign as the first implementation of the DAC. The reason it should not be a DAC is because a centralized website can easily be shut down, you want it to be a blockchain or something difficult to turn off.

The other reason is you want this sort of DAC to be profitable for both the shareholders and the individuals fulfilling the tasks on the task lists or taking the bounties.

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General Discussion / Re: BitUSD as collateral
« on: March 03, 2014, 02:50:57 pm »
Instead of only allowing bisharesX shares to be used as collateral would there be value in allowing users to purchase bitAssets and use those as collateral to short other bitAssets?

If someone can purchase some bitUSD and then use that to short bitGOLD they would be able to leverage up on bitUSD and be able to short bitGOLD without having to worry too much about fluctuations in the value of bitsharesX shares.

The value of bitsharesX shares may fluctuate wildly (like bitcoin) in its early years making it difficult to trade. If users can use a more stable asset to take short positions this may encourage the behavior. The average FOREX or commodities trader should be able to switch their trading to bitsharesX without having to gain a huge understanding of bitsharesX shares and having to constantly monitor its value.

If we can use bitAssets as collaterol users can leverage up on any asset and short other assets while not having to worry about value fluctuations on bitsharesX shares (the price of which wont be pegged to anything in the way bitAssets are).

Or am I missing something completely?

This would be a great idea if it can be technically made possible.

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General Discussion / Re: On Marketing and Priorities
« on: March 03, 2014, 05:43:12 am »
Unless the system has changed, when I checked in December reddit ads on the /bitcoin sub were sold out for months in advance.

I saw an ad for the Nexus exchange on Reddit (although I don't recall if it was just an upvoted thread or a full ad) which is being hyped all over Bitcointalk and on here. So if Nexus could put an ad for their product I would have at least expected something from Bitshares. I heard an ad for Nxt too, I think it was on LetsTalkBitcoin.

There are more sites than just Reddit, what about Slashdot? What about some of the politically oriented sites or the sites associated with Ray Kurzweil? I don't see anything about Bitshares where I saw articles about Bitcoin, Mastercoin or Ethereum.

I believe if we are going to go with the top down hierarchical model of advertising then the leadership up top should be supplying us with talking points, incentives to blog and write stories, and so on. I don't see anything happening despite assurances that stuff is going on behind the scenes and you'd think if some underground grassroots campaign were to happen then we'd be the first people to know about it.


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I made 9 posts. I hope Bytemaster knows what he is doing and has considered the potential economic ramifications of putting the code in the public domain.

PTS: PbmenFACZN9CfXTgEvsVkMT6g41bv7ZRQx

PTS digital signature: IBh46MQ6B4jb+jjINbCX70fiKdDQysf22i2ITIbJ7tQ4oHNMPoJLMiNs8zgcUNH/FZe1TqVbuLvkRXhUUt2lN50=

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General Discussion / Re: BitUSD to CASH
« on: March 03, 2014, 03:57:31 am »
Short term: bitusd to xts to btc to usd. Bitusd should trade for $ 1 worth of btc, how do you get btc now?

Long term: bitusd to merchant or atm

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

Start with Overclock.com because they are looking for a way to deal with the Bitcoin volatility. If they accept BitUSD all problems are solved for them.


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General Discussion / Re: On Marketing and Priorities
« on: March 03, 2014, 02:37:09 am »
We had a bitcoin meetup yesterday in napa, had 9 people show up.  Every person there knew about Ethereum, NXT, and Mastercoin.  Four of them knew about Counterparty, one knew about eMunie.    None of them knew about Protoshares, Bitshares or Invictus innovations.   When I explained to them about the bitshare snapshot they were all interested but unfortunately they didn't know about it, seven of them were LTB listeners

Counterparty launched their blog yesterday (that is, a protocol that raised no money and has no paid staff, but does have a working distributed asset exchange, distributed betting etc) and announced their medium-term security audit and protocol upgrade strategy.  I would really encourage invictus to emulate them ASAP and get at least a temporary blog up that can be the central repository for the most important information every invictus investor/donor should know.   I also believe it should be the marketing director Brian who should be doing most of the on-camera press, blogging and evangelizing.  Daniels time is very valuable and he is not well suited for the role of spokesman. 

I am a fan of conferences when you need to make deals happen or need money, but if the goal is to "get the word out" I can't see any potential reason why going to the texas event should be more important than crafting a strategy to address the tens of thousands of people who are predisposed to being interested in Invictus's products but have never heard of them because there has been almost zero web outreach and the web presence for invictus continues to be insufficient to educate or inform all but the most dedicated and non-time-constrained supporters.    Invictus does not need money and they don't need thought leadership, which is the reason to give a talk - they need to deliver on a media strategy and deliver on their products. 

As they say, you don't starve - you drown.  I'm a huge invictus supporter and think the vision is right on but execution has been lacking and communication/marketing abysmal.  Please prioritize so I can stop complaining.

I agree with this. There is almost no presence on Bitcointalk.

I recommended early on that Invictus use bounties to get people us to put their website in our signatures. That is the least they could do. For the right amount of protoshares most of us would gladly advertise and market any website Invictus wants marketed.

But instead they've decided to go with this centralized top down marketing campaign. So where is the leadership? Where are the advertisements?

There should be ads on Reddit at least.

My suggestions:

* STOP Keyhotee UI development. Deploy the blockchain, get a CLI client and let people integrate it into stuff on their own. This is a *massive drain of precious angel resources*
* Dan focus on BTS X and BTS DNS and nothing else. Let someone else do "ceo" tasks, including kicking the marketing team into shape

I'm very strongly tempted to come to I3's offices and help them organize all their shit over spring break...

They have all these angelfunds and they have people on this forum willing to do marketing. Why not use the community to do marketing? We all own PTS/AGS and we all want more, so they have ways to give us incentives to market whatever information they want us to market but they aren't giving us any talking points, any websites or signature codes, etc.

I think Keyhotee is critical and should have been released first. So I'm glad they are spending money on it, but I think marketing is probably the most critical and it's easy to do when you have the money.

Put an ad on Reddit. A lot of people go there and when the Bitshares client is ready that is the best place to find people. Also set up some sort of referral or viral marketing campaign for Keyhotee. If we have Keyhotee ID's there is no reason why they cannot give us a referral incentive.


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Keyhotee / Re: We must hurry, bitMessage has ID now
« on: March 02, 2014, 12:41:23 am »
Now bitMessage can interact with namecoin to use Id instead of human-unfriendly address.
We must hurry.
Network effect is everything.

Noted... if only whips could make Dan N. code faster... any ideas?

This is the benefit of going with Python instead of C++. C++ takes longer to write and debug and it allows Python coders to do a lot more in less time. CounterParty is another example.

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BitShares PTS / Re: What exchanges support Bitshares X
« on: March 01, 2014, 02:22:32 pm »
Get it on btc-e.

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General Discussion / Re: [POLL] How much would you sell your BTS for?
« on: March 01, 2014, 01:31:33 pm »

The way Bitshares are designed, if it's actually deflationary like I think, then we should be putting every penny we have into BitUSD. BitUSD is more stable than the US dollar at holding value and there is no volatility. It makes sense to put as much money as you can into BitUSD to preserve your profit. If you want to speculate Bitshares will allow for that too.

Bitshares will get better as an investment as it becomes more popular and you can lock your profits in forever in BitUSD.


Why would anyone bother with USD anymore, BitUSD is ok if there is no inflation in USD, also there is BitBTC with no inflation in BTC (after all mined out).

If you go long with BitBTC you get  +5% BTC which is in my opinion way way better than  +5% USD

What if BitBTC goes down because of some negative media attention due to Mt Gox or some arrests?

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General Discussion / Re: Collapsed MtGox is Bitshares X gain
« on: March 01, 2014, 12:45:33 pm »
This helps in two ways: Firstly by weeding out an illegitimate exchange, this situation only serves to make the ecosystem around crypto currencies more secure. Second, this situation undermines confidence in bitcoin, both for reasons due to security and price instability, ultimately making more attractive the alternatives that serve to rectify bitcoin's failings. In concept bitshares is the greatest of these alternatives.

I'd agree that relative to other cryptocurrencies, it is probably a good thing for bitshares; however, against regular currencies, it's probably a net negative due to the "flight to safety" effect that negative economic shocks have.

Also, nobody wants bitcoin to fail.  It wouldn't exactly be hyperbole to assert that all future cryptocurrency success are tied to the fate of bitcoin, since it enjoys a hefty infrastructural advantage compared to other coins.

I don't want bitcoin to fail, but I think it is ludicrous to think that it would not. It does not have any advantages over the traditional banking systems in developed nations. This is irrefutable. In order for cryptocurrencies to become viable they must provide the services that banks do at a lower cost. The bitcoin network as a company operates at a loss, is highly inflationary and cannot retain stable prices.

The blockchain is the central innovation that bitcoin has created. We can now come to a public concensus on ownership that is not derived from government oversight. That is truly special and the implications of this technological advancement will serve to reconstruct our traditional economic and governing systems.

As more advanced DAC's come into existence they will render bitcoin obsolete. Such is the nature of technology.

The banking system in the developed world has ridiculous fees for everything. Just keeping your money in a bank means a fee. What about the predatory overdraft fees? Remittances?

And if you want to invest or get credit you'll have an easier time using Bitcoin. It's just at this time most of the developed world isn't actually doing a good job marketing the power of cryptocurrencies to the people who have a lot of debt, bad credit, student loans, or any of the problems associated with banking in developed countries.

Look at European nations for example or the United States and you will find that most people who have bank accounts don't really like their bank account services or the bank. Customer satisfaction is at an all time low and it's not just the fees either.

Why are banks only open during hours most people are at work? Why does it take 5 days for a cheque to clear?

In response to your "flight to safety" comment, it is important to understand that bitcoin has not been adopted as a currency, but rather as a speculative investment. Bitshares will be the first truly viable application of blockchain technology for the purpose of currencies. When you we begin to see crypto currency networks boasting more than the meager 1 tps of the bitcoin network then we can say that they have truly been used as a currency. I suspect bitshares will be the first network to do so.

For a currency I don't think people care what coin is used. That could be done under the hood as long as people can send money back and forth.

But as a store of value that is where Bitcoin fails most people because it's seen as volatile. Bitshares is a better store of value while at the same time it can use BitUSD to act as a currency.

Bitcoin can already do the BitUSD thing using Colored Coin, Mastercoin or Counterparty.

But Colored Coin and Counterparty are like non profit entities. Mastercoin I'm not sure what it will become. The problem with non profit entities is that while it's good because fees can be as cheap as possible, if you don't profit you cannot grow the economy around you to continue to innovate. Non profits aren't sustainable.

So for that reason alone I think Bitshares and Mastercoin have the greatest advantages. I don't think any non profit structure will beat a for profit structure in developing technology over the long term. The error most people make is they say look at Linux, look at the Open Source movement and Free Software movement. What those people fail to realize is that Redhat, Suse, IBM, Google, Oracle, and a bunch of companies actually hired the developers behind the scenes and it only looks like they are doing it all on a volunteer basis.

Mozilla is actually sponsored development. The code is open source, the developers are still paid. So you need to profit somewhere in the ecosystem to keep paying developers and if you don't do this you won't have anything but college students to make your software.

College students are fine but they eventually finish school and then they go to work for whoever is paying. The Mastercoin foundation has figured out that you have to pay for quality software. The Counterparty team is going the donation route which is the same route that Litecoin and Bitcoin went and look at the result. Bitcoin is very important but only maybe 5 people in the whole world know how it works well enough to make significant changes to it.

 

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General Discussion / Re: [POLL] How much would you sell your BTS for?
« on: March 01, 2014, 12:17:26 pm »
Quote
The only mistake is they went with BitUSD instead of BitEuro because a lot of people don't care about the dollar. It might have been a good idea to add more currencies than just BitUSD so that we could store our profit in the Euro.

The first chain includes all major currencies right? Biteuro, bityen etc

I don't think it does. I believe it's just BitUSD but maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong? If it includes all the major currencies then I could see everyone around the world putting their profits into Bitshares. If you earn money from Bitcoin going up against the dollar instead of cashing out you can buy Bitshares and store it in BitUSD. There is no reason to ever cash out anymore and that is a game changer if nothing else is.

The only reason for people to cash out would be to pay taxes or pay for things which require fiat currency. You don't have to cash out to lock in your profits.

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General Discussion / Re: [POLL] How much would you sell your BTS for?
« on: March 01, 2014, 12:01:43 pm »
if price of PTS is now around 8$, and yesterday was around 15$, does that mean that 1.29 BTS = 7$ and 1BTS ~ 5.4$ if my math is correct

yesterday  => today
1PTS 15$  => 1PTS 8$ + 1.29BTS 7$ = 15$

no value is created nor destroyed

Value is created and destroyed because it's all in our mind and thinking. What you mean is energy isn't created or destroyed. That is not the same as value.

So if we change our minds or if we learn new infomation, we can change the value of anything or destroy the value of anything. What doesn't change is the imprint it leaves.

All actions are forever.

The best way to get an estimate of the price is to look at what people are pricing it at on this forum. It's between $100-1000 as a consensus and most people swing toward $500-1000.

But that consensus is how much we think it's worth, how much we actually sell for depends on the other opportunities that exist. Some people might sell some Bitshares to invest in something else, or just to pay their bills. Personally I wouldn't do something so silly but some people might.

The way Bitshares are designed, if it's actually deflationary like I think, then we should be putting every penny we have into BitUSD. BitUSD is more stable than the US dollar at holding value and there is no volatility. It makes sense to put as much money as you can into BitUSD to preserve your profit. If you want to speculate Bitshares will allow for that too.

I think of Bitshares as the perfect stock. It's an even better investment than Asicminer was because Asicminer was only good until difficulty caught up with it. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ejcul/6k_invested_in_the_asicminer_ipo_would_value_12m/

Bitshares will get better as an investment as it becomes more popular and you can lock your profits in forever in BitUSD.

The only mistake is they went with BitUSD exclusively. There are a lot of other currencies like the Euro for example. I suppose they went with the world reserve currency for a reason.





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