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General Discussion / Re: Where are we going?
« on: November 21, 2013, 08:55:12 am »
meh, i go through the code sometimes. so, who is on the dev team? What is the timeline and can i get a full list of the expectations? oh and i advocate imposing a floor on the tx per block, hard coding so this 1 tx per block thing cannot be repeated.

Dev Team for what?
who is making your experiment? and when can we expect it? i am willing to try.

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General Discussion / Re: YellowNotes
« on: November 21, 2013, 08:34:10 am »
I think this is a good idea in principle, but would like to address certain points that are not compatible with DACs in the form you have described.... it is very subtle to grasp, but important if you want to design successful DACs.

1) A DAC must motivate individuals to take initiative to lease buildings, install data centers that carry out the desired goals of the DAC without requiring any group of individuals to agree or revert to politics and elections. 

2) A DAC is not well suited to the storage of large amounts of data in the blockchain, but instead should incentivize individual actors to store data off-chain when ever possible.

3) The data requirements for a DAC must be well within reach of the average users' internet connection without making it unusable for other business.

I will start a new post describing the AdWords, DAC and identify the unresolved problems I have with its design because it shares many of the same issues as your YellowNotes, DAC.

I agree that normal blockchains actually need a reduction in size. The data will be stored on the website and it's (dark) backups in case of data corruption and/or DDos from the haters regime.Rather than rent, i will build my own servers, office space i have in abundance +50sqm with great ventilation which i don't even have to pay for. My main costs will be the hardware and changing the data plan to support server range bandwidth. Users need only to mine or buy. Customers will just fill out a form on the website and deposit funds. Once there is enough traffic, sign up with advert companies and bring in a little more money. Depending on adoption, i could host other services such as pools and an exchange for DACs vs BTC and LTC only. The cumulative funds may help offset costs. My biggest advantage is cheap power and vast space. The inintial funds, i intend to front myself to remove any liabilities. After a while (world willing) the maintanance and expansion costs will come directly from the services and dividens will start to trickle in. As for trying to fund it alone some may say it's selfish, but it's just my pure fear of debt....it will take a decent amount of time, but it' s better not to pass liabilities around.

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General Discussion / Re: Where are we going?
« on: November 21, 2013, 08:16:26 am »
meh, i go through the code sometimes. so, who is on the dev team? What is the timeline and can i get a full list of the expectations? oh and i advocate imposing a floor on the tx per block, hard coding so this 1 tx per block thing cannot be repeated.

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General Discussion / Re: Where are we going?
« on: November 21, 2013, 07:33:48 am »
Please define 'secured'?

We are integrating lessons learned from ProtoShares into a new experimental DAC that will address a lot of the issues and try them out.    If you would like to help build our next generation experiment we would love to work with you, but our social contract of honoring ProtoShares in the genesis block of all new chains is not something we are willing to compromise on.   Our next 'Test DAC' we believe will provide a very valuable service in a new market area while proving more ideas behind BitShares. 

We are going to release a Request for Proposals on this next DAC in the next few days.

Hehe, i just had an idea and posted it again, i can jump in on the train. If i have it right, it means making a fork of Proto by taking a block from the chain and making it the genesis of the new chain. in effect this may open up merged mining avenues. I'm not sure how the merkle will fit into all  of this, but i am sure we can use it.


the new chain will carry over the data from the older chain and then additional generated blocks will be added onto the inintials coming in with the genesis. But this effectively means that proto mined after this block will not be usable with the new chain. but considering that half the chain has been mined already that may not be so bad. Also once the coins  have been moved to the new chain, i doubt they will be backwards compatible.

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General Discussion / YellowNotes
« on: November 21, 2013, 07:20:44 am »
Just thought of this after the BTC address debacle. I am thinking of a DAC that acts as a phone book of sorts..... how about having a compiled list of addresses with names? (For those willing only of course). You get listed by paying a fee, this directory will be online and anyone wishing to send you funds can do so, by searching for you by name or any other details you have provided. By paying extra membership fee you get a small window of advertising worth 6000 seconds , you can divy this up into maybe 60 second loops that will be shown to visitors a thousand times. You can have contact groups managed by yourself or the DAC, allowing suggestions gives the DAC permission to record your searches and refine based on your preferences. Kind of like Google, but very specialized for crypto using companies and individuals. 

Companies will pay slightly more to have their Adverts put up, you can find services or goods by searching and a list of providers is presented including all their data such as location, Trust levels what service they provide. If you go into a company profile you can view the list of provided addresses for all accepted cryptos and a more complete set of details.

If it becomes popular it may even incorporate adverts from non crypto world entities that will pay for it, these funds are then used to pay dividens  to HOLDERS who would have kept a their currency deposited in company account for a certain period of time. These dividens grow in size as your funds accumulate and as they stake longer in the company wallets.

Perhaps it can go as far as having different plans for different levels of investors, the big money guys that can afford to sit on a lot of coin can deposit and forget about them while they earn larger % interest and dividends, while smaller guys can opt to do quicker yet less profitable moves.

The dividends will be in BTC or PTS depending on what can be implemented safely. I would prefer BTC as it is easier to convert between worlds. The money coming in from revenue is used to buy BTC, this BTC is then carved up according to % holdings and distributed once a month/quarter.

The first's instead of getting large amounts of coin can choose to pay for areas of the webpages they want there by securing premium space for later use or sale at a higher price. Also, i would introduce a system similar to Amazon instances, one where you can pay for unused advert space at a lower rate until someone out bids you for the space, once their funds are finished, if yours is next in line, you get the space back.

Furthermore the DAC can expand it's horizons. When there is enough in a development fund, users and investors can be asked to vote between options of either paying out as dividends or expanding, say if there is office space we can begin VPS hosting or providing any other internet based service.

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Other Languages / Southern Africa
« on: November 21, 2013, 06:27:50 am »
Hey all, if you are in southern africa, give a shout out!! even in your native like Afrikaans, Zulu, Ndebele, Siswati, Suthu, and whatever else there is.

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BitShares PTS / Re: Mac installing PTS wallet
« on: November 21, 2013, 05:51:18 am »
k, try changing the entire os's default font. this issue has been reported already, but so far it seems as though some fonts are not supported by mac. Did you use the installer or did you compile it yourself?

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General Discussion / Re: Where are we going?
« on: November 21, 2013, 05:42:51 am »
Experiments are how we discover the right course forward.  The experiment you want to try is basically a control compared to other experiments.  You ask "Is it the vehicle (the cryptocurrency) or the social contract honored by a company that gives value to the thing?"

I think you will find that there are many speculative vehicles and your project offers nothing to differentiate besides fitting your personal criteria for fairness, but lacking the thing that made fair distribution something that even mattered, a purpose to hold (the social contract).

What about your coin is better than Litecoin?

well, apart from the fact that they are both forks of something, i see no other similarities. I mined quite a lot of LTC back in the day, and i know full well what went on there.
The very ideas behind them are different, LTC is meant either as an improvement or a replacement for BTC, and in my opinion it has quite a ways to go. I am not headed there, as i said it is purely speculative in the beginning, should need arise later for a currency there will be one already functioning. By using this model one could cut down the costs of securing a network by half if not more, also as the currency progresses , bugs are figured out and fixed such that at a time it is picked for use, it is already ripe for the pickings.

With all that in mind, i've already pm'ed some guys that understand the code base better than me to see if this can be merge-mined. I once tried to do it myself for scrypt,  the ideas  died....it never stood up again. With adaquate funding though, these ideas could be explored in depth and maybe solutions created.

Experimenting is one way, do tell me what is wrong with branching off in my own way? The DAC idea is great, but i think a currency should be secured before it becomes a company's preffered payment method.

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General Discussion / Where are we going?
« on: November 20, 2013, 11:54:54 pm »
Today there was much discussion about the next step, bytemaster made a few proposals that were met with mixed responses. As users, miners and investors you should all speak up and let your vies, concerns and questions be heard.

Now, on to Business. I see that protoshares have started to settle in, Powershares are on the drawing board, but i'd like to ring attention to my previous idea. Powershares is an experiment so it can't really be a step forward. My previuos idea was met with resistance yet i failed to get a real reason why. People mentioned the whole DAC stuff, but  i think they are confusing currency and business. Either way, i re-propose (Now with a name) Metashares.

Concept

With the success of bytemasters' algo that onlly suffered due to unexpected interest, i intend to normalize money supply by imposing more dynamic restrictions. By observing a period of 2 hours of mining, if blocks were flying by at twice the target time, then block reward is lowered by half. If the blocks were moving slower, say at a third of the target time, then block reward is tripled. This period can be reduced to 1 hour or even the steep 30 minute window in order to ward off users of instances.

Coupled with this would be a high starting difficulty that should reduce the extreme differences seen in  most coins between early adopters and the guys who come in after a few days. With relatively faster block times we'll see a reasonable increase in tx time but we'll try remain in range of what is considered adaquately secure.

was asked what this currency is for. I maintain that it should be a speculative one in the beginning, perhaps later it may be used for a project by Invictus or anyone else that wants a chain that is already in motion. Value is something we as users bestow on an item, I cannot come out of the box and declare a price for Metashares. To one, they will try to jump in and mine then dump. To another, they will spend 0.1 BTC buying some on the chance that they may become worth 10 BTC in the future or perhaps even more.

i think to use a crypto as a medium of exchange, it has to be an established one with users ready and a secure network. even if it is just a few hundred nodes, it is a starting point. Many DACs will fail due to issues of raising capital. Myself i have spent an excess of money attaing a banking license and the necesarry articles, but for the forseeable future there will be little or no movement at all. 

I have no huge expectations. 

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Let's experiment then.

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I doubt any public pool would work with 6 month mature time BUT release a getwork (or whatever protocol you like) miner that works with the wallet at release everyone can be his own private pool, not creating hundreds of connections since every wallet opens up 6-9

Just one wallet, as many miner as you like and off you go - i mean, do you really trust a pool to be around in 6 month? They can even run for just a few month and get away with a wallet full of unmatured block, wait up another 6, party on.

I really like the lottery idea and everything, the hashrate will be the same, either if everyone is mining solo or some pools provide it, it's maybe not as "fair" as pool mining but still, i really really like the concept.

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This would be in the block chain, not the miners.  Coin generation outputs would not be spendable as a valid transaction and no code modifications could change the rules without a hard fork.

I want to eliminate the MINE AND DUMP strategy, mining should only benefit those who are committed.  Think of paying an employee in stock options that must VEST.  You do not want to hire employees that leave, you want committed long-term employees who expect the options to go up in value.    This builds a very loyal base which will benefit by seeing the price rise over 6 months, rather than a disloyal base that just gets a free-handout while providing little value.   

Sure, many people who currently mine will stop mining and make room for new miners who have a long-term outlook.  Transfer coins from profiteers to supporters and THAT is the goal.

mass adoption is what we want, and this encourages mass exodus.

Mining and dumping is bad yes, but it's what we do to keep afloat financially, understand that most people that do this arent rich, only the rich can afford to do long term investments that have no guarantee. worse off when they know there are other coins that can keep the lights on. I understand where you are coming from but you need to rethink this in my opinion.

hahaha, i'm afraid in miners there is no loyalty  :P they are only loyal to what pays, as you have witnessed the hash swings based on the figures from Coinchoose and Coinwarz.

there are few such real supporters in comparison with profiteers, most are in it for the profit, some it's a hobby and a minority actually believe in it.  i'm in the first and last group, and i can tell you that the six month wait won't fly with me and my ilk. most would find a bitcoin to spare, hire a months' worth of instances and that's it, just fire and forget.  If not, they'll go mine something that gives them the money to spare and just do the above.

keep in mind you are saying that someone that joins in later will have to wait 6 months, so if i join in six months after everyone else, i'll be a year behind the first miners, no way people would go for that , with the way people are bitter about bitcoin already?

Ok, so you leave the coin... and that is FINE BY ME because you do not appreciate the future value.   Why should anyone who cares about BitShares give a hoot about people looking for a short-term payout?   Obviously you will return to the coin when you have a use for it and realize you could have made more money by holding than by selling.   The option for a quick payout for reduced reward is still there. 

The underlying assumption here is that without the 'miners' a coin has no value or no security.   I contend, that loyal miners will provide more than enough security especially if the DAC is providing USEFUL UTILITY and is not just a speculative play like all other alts. 

 

DAC...great idea, but look at where this whole mining thing comes from...BTC, why do people mine alts? speculation and easy road to btc. i'm just saying if you want real adoption, make it adoptable.

i think focus should be on perfecting Proto shares in the next chain by learning, making the algo more costly for instances, adjusting the block times and difficulty algos. a fully functional multi-pool getwork miner etc etc. diving into these radical ideas would meet heavy resistance and leave you with a barely populated forum and a snail's pace blockchain. once people move away, so does value.

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This would be in the block chain, not the miners.  Coin generation outputs would not be spendable as a valid transaction and no code modifications could change the rules without a hard fork.

I want to eliminate the MINE AND DUMP strategy, mining should only benefit those who are committed.  Think of paying an employee in stock options that must VEST.  You do not want to hire employees that leave, you want committed long-term employees who expect the options to go up in value.    This builds a very loyal base which will benefit by seeing the price rise over 6 months, rather than a disloyal base that just gets a free-handout while providing little value.   

Sure, many people who currently mine will stop mining and make room for new miners who have a long-term outlook.  Transfer coins from profiteers to supporters and THAT is the goal.

mass adoption is what we want, and this encourages mass exodus.

Mining and dumping is bad yes, but it's what we do to keep afloat financially, understand that most people that do this arent rich, only the rich can afford to do long term investments that have no guarantee. worse off when they know there are other coins that can keep the lights on. I understand where you are coming from but you need to rethink this in my opinion.

hahaha, i'm afraid in miners there is no loyalty  :P they are only loyal to what pays, as you have witnessed the hash swings based on the figures from Coinchoose and Coinwarz.

there are few such real supporters in comparison with profiteers, most are in it for the profit, some it's a hobby and a minority actually believe in it.  i'm in the first and last group, and i can tell you that the six month wait won't fly with me and my ilk. most would find a bitcoin to spare, hire a months' worth of instances and that's it, just fire and forget.  If not, they'll go mine something that gives them the money to spare and just do the above.

keep in mind you are saying that someone that joins in later will have to wait 6 months, so if i join in six months after everyone else, i'll be a year behind the first miners, no way people would go for that , with the way people are bitter about bitcoin already?


hehehe, cheeky but i gotta ask...just how do you intend to include mining limits on BLK data?? including stand alone miners?

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most of this is good to the ears, but these modifications are to the miner not the blk data, as a result, one could recompile the source to enable more heavier usage.
Another thing is, most of us miners are small guys who need tradable volumes not only to pay electricity but to fund the purchase of more hardware. The 6 month idea is perfect against bots for the greater part bar the following


1) You have killed interest from the average miner, they would rather mine something that will pay them within a few days, speculative mining died in the altcoin spring. Faith is not a strong part of the average small guy. mine and cash OUT is the motto.

2) once a person owns a server from home, they wont need massive investments if the term is 6 months because only a few miners will connect. You could probably pull it of using a 2Mb connection.

3) you have only cut out LONG TERM use of bots and instances, on the loose someone can just take a small portion of their profits from Proto, buy instances for a solid month or two and sic them on the currency. it would cost them a little over 2 BTC and if that currency follows the proto trend, they would stand to make tens of thousands.

4) effective removal of bots would entail long term + extremely high difficulty, which leaves you with the guys who work with computers. A guy in a school/company could schedule the process for every night of those six months and rake in a ton of them. to prevent that, you would need a very high dificulty that delibates performance to the point that it would be noticeable. This however still strikes at the hearts and minds of small miners.

Yours is a novel idea, but i don't think the world is ready for it yet.

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