Perhaps I didn't deliver the message as clearly as hoped.
1. Committee ISN'T making decisions outside of the forum. As I said in the update, we have been in the forum engaged in numerous threads taking in feedback from the community about everything. Several committee members have posted about what they thought about things and have gotten feedback from the community.
As already noted and as I reminded all proxies today, they are welcome to join us in the telegram chat if they think it is going to provide some additional insights. You (
@jakub ) are already there and have had the option to check in at any time. I encourage all others to join in if they think it is of any value.
The idea of negotiated deals is highly unlikely. The idea of certain number of committee members who will vote a certain way only because another committee member has gotten them voted in is more plausible.
Yeah.. the committee IS working hard.
Going over line by line every single fee schedule of the entire Bitshares ecosystem is a lot of work.
Discussing the ramifications of every single one is a lot of work.
Having not everyone agree about what each of those fee schedules is meant for and how it should be used is a lot of work.
So when I said they are working hard, it really is an understatement. Some have been more engaged in the process than others. I have found myself spending at least a few hours a day either reading over or responding to matters related to the committee.
It depends on what your definition of 'engaged' in discussion threads really means. I am not detached at all.. but rather have been reading over everyone's input and considering all the aspects. Just because I am not regurgitating every thought at every given time in the forum doesn't mean I am not engaging.
I rather be MORE thoughtful in my approach. I actually am not happy with the way matters recently came up and how I responded to them. It might have been due to the approach taken, but it created a situation that made the community look like it was in civil war.. and I look back now and see how I got caught up in some of that in a way that is not conducive to consultation and unity. I can only hope perhaps some of the other committee members have learned the same lessons.
This forum doesn't represent the shareholders, so I disagree with the notion of it being Parliament. Until we have such a platform then it would make sense. DID YOU KNOW... the Chinese/Asians don't even use this forum.. most of the discussion happens in QQ. More than half of the Committee are there. So how about them?
I agree that the best minds do need to be on the committee. Question remains what they should be. I remember way back when we launched everyone had the perception that the best minds were DEVs, and that devs should make up the committee. So many people never stepped up. Finally we got 'doers' getting into the committee.. people who see something needs to be done and take action. Great! So now we want 'the best'... well the community has voted for those whom are willing to take public beratings like this available for vote. So long as berating is the standard though, don't expect 'the best minds' to want to be involved. We will have to settle for the emotionally mature.
2. I don't understand this in reference to a rebranding of the refer program. If this is regarding fees ok, yes that's what we discuss. We haven't specifically decided anything about rebranding the refer program as far as i know. We have had extensive discussions and input about the fees and how they relate to the refer program. Just as we have extensive discussions on every other element and how it might be impacted negatively or positively.
I think a lot of what this post is about is the very reason why I am not as 'actively engaged' in the forum as you defined it. Some of the foregone conclusions and feelings you have reached on where things are at and what is happening I think are a direct result of reading too much into a few random commentaries from some members of the committee and taking it as decisions when really they might have just been thoughts they had at that time, or even just their own positions/opinions. Perhaps even due to language barriers because more than half of the committee are Chinese/Asian.
We are doing everything based on shareholder feedback.
I will state it again since my update in Mumble didn't seem to come across clearly enough.
Next week sometime, we will be releasing an update from the committee *on the forum* on a new fee schedule that takes a holistic long term approach to ALL fees in Bitshares.
We have WORKED HARD on coming up with this schedule based on all the the input from various discussions here on the forum and among committee members.. whom all proxy voters are welcome to sit in on and watch and discuss with if they like. Xeroc for weeks now has been engaging in discussions with the committee as a proxy only. He spent 3 solid days helping to organize a proposal so that we could come together in a more meaningful discourse and analysis of every fee in Bitshares. It was only in the last few days he finally joined the committee. (Welcome once again
@xeroc ).
When we share this.. we are AGAIN seeking to get input and feedback from the community. It is going to be VERY difficult because there is going to be a fair number who may simply not bother to look at it all and decide to start things in descension instead of discussion.. because once again.. this forum does not represent the stakeholders.
From all of that the Committee will WORK HARD AGAIN to come to a final consensus based on everything and then put a proposal together that may or may not be voted in by all committee members.
If the community members don't like how that vote is going, the community always has the option to vote out those committee members and make their votes no longer count. So if you think TPP is being rammed down your throat after all of that, good news, you can just vote out your gov before it even happens... assuming that is what shareholders want. After this much due-diligence and careful consideration of everything though, I don't see that likely to happen.
On a side note.... This post has eaten up a good hour of my time. If I did this for every single post in the forum in response to one thing or another I would need to make posting in the forum my full time job. If you want Committee members to be fully paid thats up to the shareholders. I think that would be a bad idea personally at this stage.
All that said.. I like to just share a link to an interesting story about Uber. It really illustrates some points about how a company has to make decisions that sometimes don't look like the best idea from the customers perspective, but is absolutely essential to addressing supply/demand.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/three-things-i-learned-during-4-years-uber-michael-paoIt's a good read with some real world examples based on real world experience.
Hope this helps clarify.
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). I can't say the same for the forum however. Good luck on that front. 
