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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: IanDeMartino on August 03, 2016, 12:08:32 pm
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Hi all.
You may remember Michael Taggart aka "Michael X" as the marketing snake oil salesmen that helped pump the failed Ponzi scheme banx (aka banxshares, banx capital) the failed Lotto shares scheme (the one supposedly connected to a physical lotto that took people's money and then quit because it was too hard.)
So now Taggart and his partner Mark Lyford are targeting Steemit marks. I hope everyone here has learned enough to stay away from these guys.
Anyway, Taggart claims on his angel.co page that he is the co-founder of BitShares. I'm positive this isn't true, but couldn't find and official "team" page.
Can someone confirm that Taggart didn't co-founder BitShares? Is there an official history or founding members of BitShares? I know Daniel Larimer is generally credited for its creation, but where can I find something that proves Taggart isn't the co-founder of BitShares?
Thanks, stay safe out there.
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Thanks for the heads up
edit: but it seems you are wrong
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Anybody that has had a stake in BitShares1 genesis block can rightfully claim himself a co-founder or angel investor in BitShares.
Since BitShares is a decentralized company .. anyone can claim anything and BitShares won't sue them ..
That said, I am a co-founder of BitShares and an early alpha angel mega investor in BitShares .. nuf said?
Besides that .. I would love to see your contributions before I accept personal attacks at anyone in this community.
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MIchael is indeed a co-founder of Cryptonomex, the company behind the technology of BitShares.
He has been with us since before BitShares was released and first met the team in Texas earlier that summer of 2014.
He invited us to join him in St Maarten where we met other key players like Max Wright (behind him in the photo).
(http://i.gyazo.com/5706dedf0230db2027a5b2b18f6fd8a2.png)
Here you see Michael and I standing on either side of Kevin Harrington of Shark Tank fame. To his left is the famous Brian Page and you see Dan the Bytemaster peeking over the head of Julian to the left of Brian. And, yes, that is Mark Lyford standing behind me.
MichaelX on steemit has been a prolific contributor since he discovered it recently. A quick scan of his posts show his awesome levels of competence.
He is the single most important business developer in the world to the near term future of BitShares.
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"He is the single most important business developer in the world to the near term future of BitShares."
If this is true, I would run from Bitshares as fast as possible.
I see Lyford in that picture, but I guess its not detailed enough for my to recognize Taggart or that Kevin Harrington guy. I'll take your word for it though, unless you want to point them out.
Taggard and Lyford stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from Banx investors. If this man really is critically important for Bitshares, I feel bad for the bag holders.
Good luck.
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Please sell your BitShares to me.
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No need, I don't have any. I only came here to ask a question. I'm surprised and disappointed by the answer.
Good luck, I hope Lyford and Taggart are kinder to you than they were to Banx holders.
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Hi Ian - long time no hear. Last time we spoke you assured me you checked me out and that you would leave me out of your witchhunt with Mark.
I guess that was another one of your lies.
So , you are deciding to perform this touching public service announcement for what reason? Oh, probably because you care so much about the members here and the BTS community.
We both know THAT isn't true. So I wonder why you are here?
I don't plan on addressing you on much else other than the original thread, because I won't be baited with your BS. I also see Stan confirmed I am a co-founder of CNX. I also have Genesis blocks of BTS - so yes I am a co-founder by definition there (even though I have NEVER ONE TIME EVER CLAIMED TO FOUND BTS - EVER)
I WILL however, seek any and all legal remedy for any misstatement, lie, or slander that I can prove you commit. That is not a threat to journalism. That is a a promise to swiftly deal with someone who
is a hack - and uses the auspices of journalism to try to shield himself. I believe in right to speech, I do not believe in what YOU do. There is a difference.
Let's get a few things straight.
1. I was never a part of BANX. EVER. I consulted with Mark at times on cases of marketing. I didn't have anything to do with the decisions he ultimately made there.
2. Lottoshares did indeed and very unfortunately FAIL. I am sad about that, I really believed it could change the gambling and lottery industry for the better, and many others saw that vision too.
It failed because we couldn't advertise on any ad networks other than adult..and even then they didn't approve of gambling or anything crypto (go figure).
We couldn't get any stories done about us in any media as they are gambling and crypto shy - the two added together was toxic for PR
We couldn't even use my own press release company to do PR, since our distributor agreements would not allow since it was even remotely close to gambling.
My youngest brother had a heart attack in Early November right when I was in full PR mode and coming off of a huge win with REMITTIO WINNING AN AWARD AT WEB SUMMIT (the tech is based on BTS technology and got bitshares and CNX a lot of exposure to investors at web summit), was in hospital for 2 months and subsequently died, leaving me in a huge place of sorrow.
I had to take 2 months off work to attend to his affairs, bury him, help his daughter overcome it, figure out my mental wherewithall, support my dad who is in terrible health as well.
During this time the political climate changed in SXM, and there was attempts at a lawsuit to try and take the license from our partners control. This attempt was from owners of another lottery on the island that did not want to see their monopoly destroyed.
ALL FUNDS THAT WERE DONATED WERE IN FACT RETURNED TO ALL CONTRIBUTORS. ALL FUNDS.
The contributors were disappointed it didn't work out. But they got their money back.
Sounds like I have some integrity doesn't it?
3. I have never, in fact, sold snake oil.
I have owned snakes for years, I would love to introduce you to my 16 footer "Monty". I am sure he would love to hear all about snake oil and how it is made. He would LOVE to have you over for dinner sometime.
4. I have worked my ass off for the bitshares community. I have spent 100k+ easily of my own money (I could have just invested in BTS and made some great gains - guess I am an idiot) to help advertise, build the platform, travel, meet investors, evangelist, rip people at bitcoin conventions for being so short sighted, hosted a billionaire at my villa to try and educate him about blockchain and how we can use it (he's a believer), and so much more.
5. I have founding stock in CNX, and am listed as a co-founder.
You clearly did ZERO research which would have yielded you a result in less than 2 minutes. I not applaud your not journalism skills.
6. Since I do have genesis blocks, and have been a business developer to BTS for years now - guess what PARTNER...I am a co-founder as per definition.
7. I also see that the president of the company STAN LARIMER confirmed my extensive involvement. Normally I would tell him not to worry about hacks like you, but you are a special case and need to be dealt with. Hence the response.
In closing, I ask a simple question.
What have you contributed here?
FUD. Nothing of value. ZERO. NADA. NYET. 0. NIL.
Don't come here pretending to care.
Your motives are disingenuous, and we all see right through you.
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"He is the single most important business developer in the world to the near term future of BitShares."
If this is true, I would run from Bitshares as fast as possible.
Ian, I sincerely doubt you have ever ran a day in your life...from the looks of it.
Unless it was chasing the ice cream truck...
Stop arguing, you look stupid.
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This isn't about caring Michael. I was doing research, came across this claim and wanted to check it out.
Here is where you claim to co-found bitshares
https://angel.co/michael-taggart-2
Here is some information, for other people, about the web summit award you won. http://tech.eu/features/6244/web-summit-scam-well-ask/
What has Remittio accomplished since winning such an award?
Lotto Shares was supposed to have an in-built customer base because of its physical presence. I guess that didn't work out?
I seem to remember you being heavily involved in banx, but if you say you weren't, we can go ahead and move forward with that.
But, knowing how Mark left Banx investors, what makes you want to team up with him again? https://steemcash.com/page9408963
Anyway, I have to get back to work. I'll be sure to hit you up on Skype if I have any further questions.
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"He is the single most important business developer in the world to the near term future of BitShares."
If this is true, I would run from Bitshares as fast as possible.
Ian, I sincerely doubt you have ever ran a day in your life...from the looks of it.
Unless it was chasing the ice cream truck...
Stop arguing, you look stupid.
That is a really strange insult, I'm not even fat. I'm 6"3 and 184 pounds. I have a bit of a beer belly, granted, but I rarely eat ice cream, and can run pretty far. Gotta catch those pokemons, you know?
In any case. I see where the Bitshares community stands.
You guys can have your Taggarts and Lyfords.
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Ian, join us on telegram https://goo.gl/Bl14SG
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"He is the single most important business developer in the world to the near term future of BitShares."
If this is true, I would run from Bitshares as fast as possible.
Ian, I sincerely doubt you have ever ran a day in your life...from the looks of it.
Unless it was chasing the ice cream truck...
Stop arguing, you look stupid.
That is a really strange insult, I'm not even fat. I'm 6"3 and 184 pounds. I have a bit of a beer belly, granted, but I rarely eat ice cream, and can run pretty far. Gotta catch those pokemons, you know?
In any case. I see where the Bitshares community stands.
You guys can have your Taggarts and Lyfords.
It was merely an observation, not an insult.
I am sure there is a man or lady out there that would love you for you Ian.
You sound like you are a bitter jealous person to spend so much time confirming that everything I said is truth.
I appreciate you at least posting this so it is plainly clear my role.
Thanks, stay safe out there.
So you admit that this is not about caring, yet tell people to "stay safe out there"? You just admitted that statement was not genuine and you have no intention to "help people stay safe",
I don't appreciate you using this board as a private FUD tool, you honestly should be embarrassed by your mistake.
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Hmm yes, you have lowered yourself to calling people fat on the internet. Or maybe you were down there all along?
This is the BitShares champion? This is your co-founder?
A real winner, for sure.
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This isn't about caring Michael. I was doing research, came across this claim and wanted to check it out.
Here is where you claim to co-found bitshares
https://angel.co/michael-taggart-2
Here is some information, for other people, about the web summit award you won. http://tech.eu/features/6244/web-summit-scam-well-ask/
What has Remittio accomplished since winning such an award?
Lotto Shares was supposed to have an in-built customer base because of its physical presence. I guess that didn't work out?
I seem to remember you being heavily involved in banx, but if you say you weren't, we can go ahead and move forward with that.
But, knowing how Mark left Banx investors, what makes you want to team up with him again? https://steemcash.com/page9408963
Anyway, I have to get back to work. I'll be sure to hit you up on Skype if I have any further questions.
I can make whatever choice I want to about who I decide to work with on whatever project I choose. AND I do not have to answer to you.
See that was an easy one.
Re: Remittio - not really your business what we have done since Web Summit, and frankly you would be the very last person I would ever invite to discuss.
The lotto did have an in built customer base, and performed well in the initial months testing before we decided to make a crypto-launch to do it. Lottoshares wasn't about making money, it was about applying blockchain to an industry to prove a case study more than anything else. We just wanted to share the vision with others that saw it too. It didn't work out, everyone was refunded and moved on.
Well, everyone except for you. Maybe you can put that to rest too, that would be super great, and would free up a lot more time for you.
The investigation is over. Michael is who he said he is. Lottoshares didn't rip anyone off. Michael was not involved with BANX. Wow, thanks for the absolution Ian.
Making further remarks about the quality of my work, or other things you still clearly have no knowledge of "I would run", etc shows you are biased and still have no idea what you are talking about.
We would probably get along in most circumstances, even with your hard-on for Mark. Oh well.
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Hmm yes, you have lowered yourself to calling people fat on the internet. Or maybe you were down there all along?
This is the BitShares champion? This is your co-founder?
A real winner, for sure.
Actually, I just doubted your exercise regime based on observation, and the fact that you work behind a monitor all day. I work behind one too, that is why I have to take a break every couple of hours to go do a fast workout. Because sitting too much will kill ya.
However, you are the person that started the name calling with the snake oil comment, etc.
So it's ok for YOU to call names but you get offended by someone you feel is doing the same?
I threw it back at ya and you stomp like a child?
Go have a tantrum then, if you feel offended then you really need to think about evolving as a person a bit more, try practicing some emotional intelligence.
You see, starting a conversation with name calling isn't very nice. And OMG, if someone calls you a name after you started the exchange in that manner...that is so unfar?
No matter your answer, it's ok - we all see you for what you are.
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And so you choose to help promote, and lend your name and picture, to Mark's next "business?" Knowing full well what he did with banx?
Also, bots like the one your and mark are claiming to be selling, are exactly what will kill Steemit.
I'm sure you'll make tons of cash off it though, so congrats. Your business acumen is clearly unparalleled.
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And so you choose to help promote, and lend your name and picture, to Mark's next "business?" Knowing full well what he did with banx?
Also, bots like the one your and mark are claiming to be selling, are exactly what will kill Steemit.
I'm sure you'll make tons of cash off it though, so congrats. Your business acumen is clearly unparalleled.
Don't tell me how to run my business. You clearly don't know how to run one, and I have not asked your advice.
As for bots, they are already all over the site, and if I CAN HELP REGULATE THEIR USAGE, I would rather have a hand in that then unregulated use, which is what is going on now.
You see, if I can shape the way my users use them, I can make sure I can help with spam.
You see, THAT is called forward planning and would most definitely be considered business acumen.
PS thank you for the "Your business acumen is clearly unparalleled" comment, Stan also believes in my extensive forward thinking.
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And so you choose to help promote, and lend your name and picture, to Mark's next "business?" Knowing full well what he did with banx?
Also, bots like the one your and mark are claiming to be selling, are exactly what will kill Steemit.
I'm sure you'll make tons of cash off it though, so congrats. Your business acumen is clearly unparalleled.
Here is the funny part of this.
we are giving the entire commission payment to the people that promote the Steem Cash product.
OMG BUT HOW WILL WE MAKE MONEY?
Well, it is about helping the community AND making money Ian.
You see, Mark and I put together an entire marketing campaign for the community to use.
For Free.
They just promote it, they get all the money from the front end to help pay for their advertising costs.
Wow, we bootstrapped an entire marketing campaign for Steemit! And they didn't even pay us to do it.
We did it with our own money and time.
And now everyone can benefit from it. more users on Steemit. A full educational product and funnel for them to send people. A way for them to make a few bucks getting more people involved.
Sounds super suspicious to me.
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Hmm yes, you have lowered yourself to calling people fat on the internet. Or maybe you were down there all along?
This is the BitShares champion? This is your co-founder?
A real winner, for sure.
Actually, I just doubted your exercise regime based on observation, and the fact that you work behind a monitor all day.
And what observation is that? As I said, my BMI is clearly in the healthy range. What is your goal with this fat shaming? My BMI is 23, which is considered "Healthy Weight" I exercise, not as much as I should, but I jog several times a week and walk my dog several times a day. She is getting older, at ten, but still needs to get her energy out. This is really not necessary information, but since you asked about how much I exercise.
Again, what is the point of this? Do you think I will become self conscious? "On no, Taggart called me fat. I better not look into him or he'll do it again!" Do you think I will stoop to your level and make fun of your appearance? Well, I'm not going to do that either.
Your anger only further convinces me that you are fearful. Fearful that I will ruin your and your boyfriend's big launch tomorrow.
Don't worry Taggart. Tomorrow will come.
Sounds super suspicious to me.
Yes, someone who stole (oh sorry, I mean "lost") hundreds of thousands of investor dollars on their last venture (Mark, not you) promising to give away money and the key to making it?
Yeah, you're right. That does sound super suspicious.
Good day sir, you'll waste no more of my time.
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Taggard and Lyford stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from Banx investors. If this man really is critically important for Bitshares, I feel bad for the bag holders.
Saving this for public record.
You have now slandered me publicly, and have made 100% false statements about me - knowingly.
Now I can prove it. You have now stated publicly that I stole money. You have stated publicly stole money from BANX investors.
You have no evidence whatsoever to the claims you are making, and you do know that making deliberate false statements that can harm a person is subject to civil penalties?
Think before you speak Ian.
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Hmm yes, you have lowered yourself to calling people fat on the internet. Or maybe you were down there all along?
This is the BitShares champion? This is your co-founder?
A real winner, for sure.
Actually, I just doubted your exercise regime based on observation, and the fact that you work behind a monitor all day.
And what observation is that? As I said, my BMI is clearly in the healthy range. What is your goal with this fat shaming? My BMI is 23, which is considered "Healthy Weight" I exercise, not as much as I should, but I jog several times a week and walk my dog several times a day. She is getting older, at ten, but still needs to get her energy out. This is really not necessary information, but since you asked about how much I exercise.
Again, what is the point of this? Do you think I will become self conscious? "On no, Taggart called me fat. I better not look into him or he'll do it again!" Do you think I will stoop to your level and make fun of your appearance? Well, I'm not going to do that either.
Your anger only further convinces me that you are fearful. Fearful that I will ruin your and your boyfriend's big launch tomorrow.
Don't worry Taggart. Tomorrow will come.
Sounds super suspicious to me.
Yes, someone who stole (oh sorry, I mean "lost") hundreds of thousands of investor dollars on their last venture (Mark, not you) promising to give away money and the key to making it?
Yeah, you're right. That does sound super suspicious.
Good day sir, you'll waste no more of my time.
Boyfriend? Really? You are so childish. I weep for you.
I threw a name call back at you to prove your childishness and you fell right into it.
Hook. Line. Sinker.
I don't give any care about your weight, BMI or anything else. I must have stuck a nerve though.
The whole exercise was to prove how childish you are. It worked. There is that business acumen again.
Anger? You misread. It is more amusement at this point.
You again clearly have no idea how marketing or affiliate management or sales works.
The affiliate system does something called an "adapative payment" that split the commission right to the promoter. So they get paid instantly per sale.
Pretty neat huh?
Why do you keep embarrassing yourself?
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Taggart, the only person here who has embarrassed himself is you.
Fat shaming? Come on. You called me fat, i simply pointed out that I wasn't. Don't try to flip around the childish aspect of this argument, Anyone with half a brain can clearly see that it is you.
anyone who thinks Bots are good for a platform like Steemit, clearly hasn't been online in the past 15 years.
Anyone who thinks their money is safe with Lyford, clearly doesn't know how to Google.
I hope you have fun destroying Steemit's reputation.
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someone comes here asking a question and what he gets are 2 pages of attacks. for fucks sake, I've never felt so embarrassed for this community, and I'm here for a long time.
these are the facts:
* Anyone who invested in BTS is free to call themselves whatever they like. (remember CEO's of Bitcoin?) - I leave it up to you to give that value or not.
* CNX = Cryptonomex = they worked for BitShares for some time, but are in no way "owners" or something. It's a blockchain company to my knowledge
* BMI 18.5 to 24.9 is Normal weight
I strongly recommend this clown fiesta to end right now and start to communicate without personal attacks or this thread will be closed.
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Taggart, the only person here who has embarrassed himself is you.
Fat shaming? Come on. You called me fat, i simply pointed out that I wasn't. Don't try to flip around the childish aspect of this argument, Anyone with half a brain can clearly see that it is you.
anyone who thinks Bots are good for a platform like Steemit, clearly hasn't been online in the past 15 years.
Anyone who thinks their money is safe with Lyford, clearly doesn't know how to Google.
I hope you have fun destroying Steemit's reputation.
Still crying? You don't get it Ian.
You aren't the only person that gets to call names.
But you are made when you call names and then get one called back?
It's pathetic Ian. Even your half a brain has to see that?
Lyford isn't handling any funds dude. I am. And like I said, paypal adaptive payments lands it in their account at the time of sale. Nobody holds the cash. Try googling that.
Blockchain is open dude, nobody can stop bots. They can only regulate their usage, you are really naive to think anything else.
I thought you were leaving?
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someone comes here asking a question and what he gets are 2 pages of attacks. for fucks sake, I've never felt so embarrassed for this community, and I'm here for a long time.
these are the facts:
* Anyone who invested in BTS is free to call themselves whatever they like. (remember CEO's of Bitcoin?) - I leave it up to you to give that value or not.
* CNX = Cryptonomex = they worked for BitShares for some time, but are in no way "owners" or something. It's a blockchain company to my knowledge
* BMI 18.5 to 24.9 is Normal weight
I strongly recommend this clown fiesta to end right now and start to communicate without personal attacks or this thread will be closed.
Actually I am addressing each comment.
He came attacking Fav, get over it.
If he were ASKING A QUESTION ONLY he wouldn't call me names from the first sentence.
if you are embarrassed, it should be with yourself encouraging this hack attacking community members that work their ass off.
You flat out are encouraging him.
IF HE WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION HE COULD HAVE ASKED "IS MICHAEL TAGGART A CO-FOUNDER OF BITSHARES".
BUT HE DIDN'T...
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I have my doubts you have worked an honest day in your life.
I don't really care about the fat shaming Taggart. It just shows how professional you are.
There is no more value in this thread. You claimed to be bitshares' co-founder, Denied ever saying that when I came on here, and ignored my link that showed where you did claim that.
Through two pages of crap, there is that small morsel of information.
(http://i.imgur.com/PXRDl8T.jpg)
Apologies fav, I'll move on now.
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someone comes here asking a question and what he gets are 2 pages of attacks. for fucks sake, I've never felt so embarrassed for this community, and I'm here for a long time.
these are the facts:
* Anyone who invested in BTS is free to call themselves whatever they like. (remember CEO's of Bitcoin?) - I leave it up to you to give that value or not.
* CNX = Cryptonomex = they worked for BitShares for some time, but are in no way "owners" or something. It's a blockchain company to my knowledge
* BMI 18.5 to 24.9 is Normal weight
I strongly recommend this clown fiesta to end right now and start to communicate without personal attacks or this thread will be closed.
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I do find Michael claiming to be a "founder" of BitShares a bit of a stretch to say the very least, however. Obviously Stan, Michael, and I have some differences of opinion on exactly what that term means. I was one of the earliest employees at Invictus, yet I don't consider myself a founder. Here's the definition I generally agree with: "The person who creates an organization or a company is known as the founder." To my knowledge, there are exactly two founders for BitShares: Dan Larimer and Charles Hoskinson.
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Here's the definition I generally agree with: "The person who creates an organization or a company is known as the founder." To my knowledge, there are exactly two founders for BitShares: Dan Larimer and Charles Hoskinson.
I would concur with Dan on this in that if ANYONE ever asks who founder bitshares I have always said Dan and Charles.
As for the Angel.co page, it appears my employee filled that portion out, and said that there was no way to put in business development - only founder and co-founder - so she placed that in there because it was accurate based on definition.
But I do agree Dan - thanks for the reply.
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I have my doubts you have worked an honest day in your life.
I don't really care about the fat shaming Taggart. It just shows how professional you are.
There is no more value in this thread.
Apologies fav, I'll move on now.
Again, you fail to see your hypocrisy re: the omgfatshaminggate
No more value in this thread for you, you mean.
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these are the facts:
* CNX = Cryptonomex = they worked for BitShares for some time, but are in no way "owners" or something. It's a blockchain company to my knowledge
CNX owns a lot of stuff in use, you might want to check into that Fav.
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someone comes here asking a question and what he gets are 2 pages of attacks. for fucks sake, I've never felt so embarrassed for this community, and I'm here for a long time.
these are the facts:
* Anyone who invested in BTS is free to call themselves whatever they like. (remember CEO's of Bitcoin?) - I leave it up to you to give that value or not.
* CNX = Cryptonomex = they worked for BitShares for some time, but are in no way "owners" or something. It's a blockchain company to my knowledge
* BMI 18.5 to 24.9 is Normal weight
I strongly recommend this clown fiesta to end right now and start to communicate without personal attacks or this thread will be closed.
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I do find Michael claiming to be a "founder" of BitShares a bit of a stretch to say the very least, however. Obviously Stan, Michael, and I have some differences of opinion on exactly what that term means. I was one of the earliest employees at Invictus, yet I don't consider myself a founder. Here's the definition I generally agree with: "The person who creates an organization or a company is known as the founder." To my knowledge, there are exactly two founders for BitShares: Dan Larimer and Charles Hoskinson.
Actually, I filed the paperwork that founded Invictus Innovations at the request of Dan and Charles.
Charles secured the funding and Dan invented the technology. Notestein and Li were also there in the beginning.
Invictus worked very hard to emphasize that BitShares was an independent company that came into existence when those who downloaded free Invictus software started the blockchain running for the first time.
When it started running, there were initial genesis holders of 100% of the BitShares based on contributions they made or mining they did. Lots of us were among them.
But since Invictus refuses to claim foundership of BitShares, you'll have to look to those who did the work and claimed the shares as its founders.
Since then Cryptonomex was founded by about 30 people who contributed cash and sweat equity. They are listed as co-founders on the official stock documents.
Michael is listed among those cofounders.
Cryptonomex provided the software BitShares is now using.
So Michael has two perfectly valid claims to using "cofounder" on his resume if he wants to.
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someone comes here asking a question and what he gets are 2 pages of attacks. for fucks sake, I've never felt so embarrassed for this community, and I'm here for a long time.
these are the facts:
* Anyone who invested in BTS is free to call themselves whatever they like. (remember CEO's of Bitcoin?) - I leave it up to you to give that value or not.
* CNX = Cryptonomex = they worked for BitShares for some time, but are in no way "owners" or something. It's a blockchain company to my knowledge
* BMI 18.5 to 24.9 is Normal weight
I strongly recommend this clown fiesta to end right now and start to communicate without personal attacks or this thread will be closed.
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I do find Michael claiming to be a "founder" of BitShares a bit of a stretch to say the very least, however. Obviously Stan, Michael, and I have some differences of opinion on exactly what that term means. I was one of the earliest employees at Invictus, yet I don't consider myself a founder. Here's the definition I generally agree with: "The person who creates an organization or a company is known as the founder." To my knowledge, there are exactly two founders for BitShares: Dan Larimer and Charles Hoskinson.
Actually, I filed the paperwork that founded Invictus Innovations at the request of Dan and Charles.
Charles secured the funding and Dan invented the technology. Notestein and Li were also there in the beginning.
Invictus worked very hard to emphasize that BitShares was an independent company that came into existence when those who downloaded free Invictus software started the blockchain running for the first time.
When it started running, there were initial genesis holders of 100% of the BitShares based on contributions they made or mining they did. Lots of us were among them.
But since Invictus refuses to claim foundership of BitShares, you'll have to look to those who did the work and claimed the shares as its founders.
Since then Cryptonomex was founded by about 30 people who contributed cash and sweat equity. They are listed as co-founders on the official stock documents.
Michael is listed among those cofounders.
Cryptonomex provided the software BitShares is now using.
So Michael has two perfectly valid claims to using "cofounder" on his resume if he wants to.
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Well now that THAT is solved, I am going to go for a walk, and NOT play the CIA created Pokemon Go.
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Wow, that was...intense. I generally agree with Fav here though that this entire discourse was pretty damn embarrassing. Murderistic, people are going to cry scam and hurl insults at you. This is crypto -- it's fairly standard stuff around here. But attacking back with childish insults of your own is a terrible "business development" strategy and I would say demonstrates a very poor sense of business acumen. I've seen Mark react the exact same way as you have when he was called out and I was glad not to be a part of Banx when I saw that.
...Guess I'm just a bit disappointed that these things aren't more obvious, especially when we're talking about millions (potentially billions) of people's dollars here...
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This post is embarrassing for the Bts community.
Murduristic - your behavior is unbelievably childish.
Someone should delete this post and we should all try to learn from it.
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Wow, that was...intense. I generally agree with Fav here though that this entire discourse was pretty damn embarrassing. Murderistic, people are going to cry scam and hurl insults at you. This is crypto -- it's fairly standard stuff around here. But attacking back with childish insults of your own is a terrible "business development" strategy and I would say demonstrates a very poor sense of business acumen. I've seen Mark react the exact same way as you have when he was called out and I was glad not to be a part of Banx when I saw that.
...Guess I'm just a bit disappointed that these things aren't more obvious, especially when we're talking about millions (potentially billions) of people's dollars here...
I can appreciate your position, however...
I have already attempted to communicate with Ian in a professional manner in the recent past.
Ian has reneged on his previous agreement.
Ian came here to attack me.
He started the exchange with an insult and name calling.
After the "question" was confirmed, he then made more disparaging remarks about me and was saying untrue things.
THEN I decided to play at his level.
Don't shoot a gun at someone and expect not to be shot at back.
I already tried the higher road with this guy, he likes the mud as is evident by his post.
He wants to try and pull what he did to Mark on me, sorry - not sorry.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/aggr.gif)
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This post is embarrassing for the Bts community.
Murduristic - your behavior is unbelievably childish.
Someone should delete this post and we should all try to learn from it.
I would say the defense of this guy attacking members here is what is embarrassing.
You tell me I am embarrassing you by my behavior? I responded to him clearly in the first post, and yet he decides to continue with his slander, his remarks about "running", and anything else he is 100% ignorant about.
The second I decide to throw it back I am a bad person?
But you are entitled to your opinion.
I would defend you against this hack as well, even if you don't agree with me.
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Wow, that was...intense. I generally agree with Fav here though that this entire discourse was pretty damn embarrassing. Murderistic, people are going to cry scam and hurl insults at you. This is crypto -- it's fairly standard stuff around here. But attacking back with childish insults of your own is a terrible "business development" strategy and I would say demonstrates a very poor sense of business acumen. I've seen Mark react the exact same way as you have when he was called out and I was glad not to be a part of Banx when I saw that.
...Guess I'm just a bit disappointed that these things aren't more obvious, especially when we're talking about millions (potentially billions) of people's dollars here...
I can appreciate your position, however...
I have already attempted to communicate with Ian in a professional manner in the recent past.
Ian has reneged on his previous agreement.
Ian came here to attack me.
He started the exchange with an insult and name calling.
After the "question" was confirmed, he then made more disparaging remarks about me and was saying untrue things.
THEN I decided to play at his level.
Don't shoot a gun at someone and expect not to be shot at back.
I already tried the higher road with this guy, he likes the mud as is evident by his post.
He wants to try and pull what he did to Mark on me, sorry - not sorry.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/aggr.gif)
The only thing childish was calling him fat and that he only runs when he sees the ice cream truck...
Granted future president Trump talks like this, so I guess being a leader != acting like an adult.
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This post is embarrassing for the Bts community.
Murduristic - your behavior is unbelievably childish.
Someone should delete this post and we should all try to learn from it.
I would say the defense of this guy attacking members here is what is embarrassing.
You tell me I am embarrassing you by my behavior? I responded to him clearly in the first post, and yet he decides to continue with his slander, his remarks about "running", and anything else he is 100% ignorant about.
The second I decide to throw it back I am a bad person?
But you are entitled to your opinion.
I would defend you against this hack as well, even if you don't agree with me.
I believe you, and believe you have the best intentions. I also don't think you're out to scam and as Stan says you could be providing some excellent business development opportunities.
It's just the way the argument played out over a public forum...just kind of reflects poorly on BTS' professionalism is all. It may have been best in this case to have just ignored him and let the thread die on its own.
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My point is, try to be more professional when publicly representing Bts in the future. Especially when resolving disputes.
This BS can be distracting.
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@Murderistic: in this thread you say
1. I was never a part of BANX. EVER
But on the screenshot of your Angel.co profile posted by @IanDeMartino, we can read in the "experience" section at the bottom of the screenshot
Banx
Founder
In my book that's a contradiction.
Do you have an explanation (other than blaming that on your employee)?
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I already answered that question, and I am sure she would be happy to get on the forum to respond that she created the account.
You see, I have employees that do those things because I am busy. I never checked, and today was the first I heard of it. It happens.
I addressed it with her, and with Ian, and now with you.
Now that is clear.
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I believe you, and believe you have the best intentions. I also don't think you're out to scam and as Stan says you could be providing some excellent business development opportunities.
It's just the way the argument played out over a public forum...just kind of reflects poorly on BTS' professionalism is all. It may have been best in this case to have just ignored him and let the thread die on its own.
I agree about letting it die, I considered it. But then I also know his MO and have seen his past wrecking ball attempts.
My point is, try to be more professional when publicly representing Bts in the future. Especially when resolving disputes.
This BS can be distracting.
I have no problem with that whatsoever. I am just letting you know this isn't the first time, this isn't the second or third time, and won't be the last of his harassment. He was already making threats, and has made threats on this thread.
I will represent myself as I see fit, though I do appreciate the software tone and your constructive feedback.
Perhaps I should not have tossed some mud, but when it is pearls before swine, the pearls will get muddy no matter what.
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I already answered that question, and I am sure she would be happy to get on the forum to respond that she created the account.
You see, I have employees that do those things because I am busy. I never checked, and today was the first I heard of it. It happens.
I addressed it with her, and with Ian, and now with you.
Now that is clear.
So your employee, working on her own accord, decided to name you as the Founder of Banx, a company you never had anything to do with? That is what you are saying?
Was her name Anna Chennault as well? Did she do it as the behest of her boss in Texas?
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I already answered that question, and I am sure she would be happy to get on the forum to respond that she created the account.
You see, I have employees that do those things because I am busy. I never checked, and today was the first I heard of it. It happens.
I addressed it with her, and with Ian, and now with you.
Now that is clear.
You are evading the question. Your answer earlier was about your claim of being a Bitshares founder. I'm talking about the claim of being a Banx founder, which paints a very clear picture of your level of involvement in Banx.
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I already answered that question, and I am sure she would be happy to get on the forum to respond that she created the account.
You see, I have employees that do those things because I am busy. I never checked, and today was the first I heard of it. It happens.
I addressed it with her, and with Ian, and now with you.
Now that is clear.
So your employee, working on her own accord, decided to name you as the Founder of Banx, a company you never had anything to do with? That is what you are saying?
Was her name Anna Chennault as well? Did she do it as the behest of her boss in Texas?
She was working on setting up Marks profile for him and I for Remittio and likely added both by mistake. We were working 18 hour days trying to get ready for it, so I don;t fault her one bit.
Stan knows how much PIA the web summit ppwk is.
Web Summit requires an angel.co profile. I have never been to the page until today. Thanks for notifying me of this error.
It was addressed with her and fixed.
Mystery over.
People make mistakes when setting up online profiles about other people, it's not uncommon. My employees also post on my Twitter, Facebook and other things. Sometimes they screw up.
I forgive them.
Nothing on a stitch of paperwork has my name, nowhere has anyone ever referred to me as such (other than you by mistake or by full knowledge deception - who know at this point), and you know full well Ian I have not been involved, especially after your extensive "investigations".
Don't worry Ian, you have made it clear what your agenda is here and what you plan on doing for the future by way of your veiled threats and conversations you are having with people in private (they aren't as private as you think).
You have now been set 100% straight by Stan, and I regarding ANY confusion on my status and BTS, CNX, and BANX.
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Don't worry Ian, you have made it clear what your agenda is here and what you plan on doing for the future by way of your veiled threats
Seriously, paranoid much? What veiled threats have I made?
and conversations you are having with people in private (they aren't as private as you think).
And what is this, but a veiled threat?
Ultimately, it seems highly suspicious to me, and I'd suspect everyone, that an employee of yours would make you the founder of a company you had no association with.
Why would she do that? Even after you worked her to the bone? Why would she confuse "no affiliation" with "founder?" That is a big jump, not like mixing up COO and CEO or something like that. But literally Zero to One Hundred.
Seems like quite a stretch to me.
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Banned
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someone comes here asking a question and what he gets are 2 pages of attacks. for fucks sake, I've never felt so embarrassed for this community, and I'm here for a long time.
these are the facts:
* Anyone who invested in BTS is free to call themselves whatever they like. (remember CEO's of Bitcoin?) - I leave it up to you to give that value or not.
* CNX = Cryptonomex = they worked for BitShares for some time, but are in no way "owners" or something. It's a blockchain company to my knowledge
* BMI 18.5 to 24.9 is Normal weight
I strongly recommend this clown fiesta to end right now and start to communicate without personal attacks or this thread will be closed.
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I do find Michael claiming to be a "founder" of BitShares a bit of a stretch to say the very least, however. Obviously Stan, Michael, and I have some differences of opinion on exactly what that term means. I was one of the earliest employees at Invictus, yet I don't consider myself a founder. Here's the definition I generally agree with: "The person who creates an organization or a company is known as the founder." To my knowledge, there are exactly two founders for BitShares: Dan Larimer and Charles Hoskinson.
Actually, I filed the paperwork that founded Invictus Innovations at the request of Dan and Charles.
Charles secured the funding and Dan invented the technology. Notestein and Li were also there in the beginning.
Invictus worked very hard to emphasize that BitShares was an independent company that came into existence when those who downloaded free Invictus software started the blockchain running for the first time.
When it started running, there were initial genesis holders of 100% of the BitShares based on contributions they made or mining they did. Lots of us were among them.
But since Invictus refuses to claim foundership of BitShares, you'll have to look to those who did the work and claimed the shares as its founders.
Since then Cryptonomex was founded by about 30 people who contributed cash and sweat equity. They are listed as co-founders on the official stock documents.
Michael is listed among those cofounders.
Cryptonomex provided the software BitShares is now using.
So Michael has two perfectly valid claims to using "cofounder" on his resume if he wants to.
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if you want to spot a bitshares pump just pay attention for a heat debate at bitsharestalk, it always start this way :o
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"He is the single most important business developer in the world to the near term future of BitShares."
If this is true, I would run from Bitshares as fast as possible.
I see Lyford in that picture, but I guess its not detailed enough for my to recognize Taggart or that Kevin Harrington guy. I'll take your word for it though, unless you want to point them out.
Taggard and Lyford stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from Banx investors. If this man really is critically important for Bitshares, I feel bad for the bag holders.
Good luck.
Dont't worry ,bitcoin and ethereum is about the same 。
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I would like to confirm that Michael had never been a part of Banx and has only ever assisted me with marketing consultancy.
To also clarify I have no intention of engaging in this witch hunt B.S. I only want to confirm Michaels non involvement in Banx
Thank you
Mark
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Don't worry Ian, you have made it clear what your agenda is here and what you plan on doing for the future by way of your veiled threats
Seriously, paranoid much? What veiled threats have I made?
and conversations you are having with people in private (they aren't as private as you think).
And what is this, but a veiled threat?
Ultimately, it seems highly suspicious to me, and I'd suspect everyone, that an employee of yours would make you the founder of a company you had no association with.
Why would she do that? Even after you worked her to the bone? Why would she confuse "no affiliation" with "founder?" That is a big jump, not like mixing up COO and CEO or something like that. But literally Zero to One Hundred.
Seems like quite a stretch to me.
Stop looking for conspiracies everywhere.
I will repeat this. Read it a few times if you con't comprehend the first.
We were working day and night to get ready. She was tasked with setting up both profiles - one for Mark, one for me.
She had only been working for me for 2 months at the time.
She was getting used to the 16+ projects I am working on at any given time.
Because I am pretty much founder or co-founder of every other project.
She setup both accounts and somehow got this setup mixed up.
Have you ever made a mistake in the past Ian? Ever, when you were tired, or maybe distracted?
Let's be reasonable, shall we?
Thank you for pointing out the error, it is now fixed and publicly addressed.
I would really appreciate you retracting your false statements about me, or at least updating the fact that your original question has been confirmed 8 ways from Sunday at this point.
Not likely you would extend such a courtesy, but hey - might as well ask.
PS - I thought a lot about it and I forgive you for the snake oil comment. I also apologize for throwing mud back.
PPS - My wife made me type that. Just kidding, but she did put things in perspective for me.
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MichaelX on steemit has been a prolific contributor since he discovered it recently. A quick scan of his posts show his awesome levels of competence.
He is the single most important business developer in the world to the near term future of BitShares.
I've been always wondering why Bitshares hasn't managed to attract more great blockchain devs. If Murderistic/MichaelX has been running the show behind the scenes, that might explain something. As everybody can see from his posts in this topic, he is not very nice person. I'd run away and fast if I had to work with him. He is clearly very angry, bitter and can't tolerate any criticism. It sucks quite much to work with people like him.
It was horrifying to read Stan's approval for this person. I'm pretty sure Bitshares will have quite a lot difficulties attracting competent devs or investors as long as Michael and Mark Lyford are associated to it in any way.
Seriously Stan... Nobody cares your personal views about Michael or Mark. What's most important for Bitshares (and Steem) is that any kind of associations with well known scammers are avoided at any cost. Mark has already ruined his reputation in the eyes of public and now Michael is trying very hard to ruin his own reputation too. When you are applauding these guys, you are causing serious harm for the reputation of Bitshares (and Steem).
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MichaelX on steemit has been a prolific contributor since he discovered it recently. A quick scan of his posts show his awesome levels of competence.
He is the single most important business developer in the world to the near term future of BitShares.
I've been always wondering why Bitshares hasn't managed to attract more great blockchain devs. If Murderistic/MichaelX has been running the show behind the scenes, that might explain something. As everybody can see from his posts in this topic, he is not very nice person. I'd run away and fast if I had to work with him. He is clearly very angry, bitter and can't tolerate any criticism. It sucks quite much to work with people like him.
It was horrifying to read Stan's approval for this person. I'm pretty sure Bitshares will have quite a lot difficulties attracting competent devs or investors as long as Michael and Mark Lyford are associated to it in any way.
Seriously Stan... Nobody cares your personal views about Michael or Mark. What's most important for Bitshares (and Steem) is that any kind of associations with well known scammers are avoided at any cost. Mark has already ruined his reputation in the eyes of public and now Michael is trying very hard to ruin his own reputation too. When you are applauding these guys, you are causing serious harm for the reputation of Bitshares (and Steem).
Wait and see. :)
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Wait and see. :)
I really can't understand how you can think this will end well. I predict bad PR problems for Bitshares (wouldn't be the first time...).
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MichaelX on steemit has been a prolific contributor since he discovered it recently. A quick scan of his posts show his awesome levels of competence.
He is the single most important business developer in the world to the near term future of BitShares.
I've been always wondering why Bitshares hasn't managed to attract more great blockchain devs. If Murderistic/MichaelX has been running the show behind the scenes, that might explain something. As everybody can see from his posts in this topic, he is not very nice person. I'd run away and fast if I had to work with him. He is clearly very angry, bitter and can't tolerate any criticism. It sucks quite much to work with people like him.
It was horrifying to read Stan's approval for this person. I'm pretty sure Bitshares will have quite a lot difficulties attracting competent devs or investors as long as Michael and Mark Lyford are associated to it in any way.
Seriously Stan... Nobody cares your personal views about Michael or Mark. What's most important for Bitshares (and Steem) is that any kind of associations with well known scammers are avoided at any cost. Mark has already ruined his reputation in the eyes of public and now Michael is trying very hard to ruin his own reputation too. When you are applauding these guys, you are causing serious harm for the reputation of Bitshares (and Steem).
I ran into this guy at the BItcoin thing in Vegas that several of us went to. I cant remember what we were chatting about to bring this up, but he was quick to talk about how he sold what I recall to be ~ $1 million worth of BTC at the peak. It is a strange thing for someone with money to go around talking about amounts to random people like that so I wrote him off as a likely fraud. I always wondered if Murderistic was this same person. Murderistic came around asking for $$ for some press release pass thing, but then refused to give out his identity. It was strange..
These are all from my memories and I may very well be wrong.
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MichaelX on steemit has been a prolific contributor since he discovered it recently. A quick scan of his posts show his awesome levels of competence.
He is the single most important business developer in the world to the near term future of BitShares.
I've been always wondering why Bitshares hasn't managed to attract more great blockchain devs. If Murderistic/MichaelX has been running the show behind the scenes, that might explain something. As everybody can see from his posts in this topic, he is not very nice person. I'd run away and fast if I had to work with him. He is clearly very angry, bitter and can't tolerate any criticism. It sucks quite much to work with people like him.
It was horrifying to read Stan's approval for this person. I'm pretty sure Bitshares will have quite a lot difficulties attracting competent devs or investors as long as Michael and Mark Lyford are associated to it in any way.
Seriously Stan... Nobody cares your personal views about Michael or Mark. What's most important for Bitshares (and Steem) is that any kind of associations with well known scammers are avoided at any cost. Mark has already ruined his reputation in the eyes of public and now Michael is trying very hard to ruin his own reputation too. When you are applauding these guys, you are causing serious harm for the reputation of Bitshares (and Steem).
Point out where I have scammed a single person. Otherwise retract your statement.
I'll wait.
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MichaelX on steemit has been a prolific contributor since he discovered it recently. A quick scan of his posts show his awesome levels of competence.
He is the single most important business developer in the world to the near term future of BitShares.
I've been always wondering why Bitshares hasn't managed to attract more great blockchain devs. If Murderistic/MichaelX has been running the show behind the scenes, that might explain something. As everybody can see from his posts in this topic, he is not very nice person. I'd run away and fast if I had to work with him. He is clearly very angry, bitter and can't tolerate any criticism. It sucks quite much to work with people like him.
It was horrifying to read Stan's approval for this person. I'm pretty sure Bitshares will have quite a lot difficulties attracting competent devs or investors as long as Michael and Mark Lyford are associated to it in any way.
Seriously Stan... Nobody cares your personal views about Michael or Mark. What's most important for Bitshares (and Steem) is that any kind of associations with well known scammers are avoided at any cost. Mark has already ruined his reputation in the eyes of public and now Michael is trying very hard to ruin his own reputation too. When you are applauding these guys, you are causing serious harm for the reputation of Bitshares (and Steem).
I ran into this guy at the BItcoin thing in Vegas that several of us went to. I cant remember what we were chatting about to bring this up, but he was quick to talk about how he sold what I recall to be ~ $1 million worth of BTC at the peak. It is a strange thing for someone with money to go around talking about amounts to random people like that so I wrote him off as a likely fraud. I always wondered if Murderistic was this same person. Murderistic came around asking for $$ for some press release pass thing, but then refused to give out his identity. It was strange..
These are all from my memories and I may very well be wrong.
memories are indeed wrong.
I came around with a delegate proposal for a paid traffic campaign with banners and PPC traffic. People didn't like it. No press pass thing @gamey
As for calling me a scammer because I talked about the fact I bought bitcoin at $30 and sold at 997 = well I guess that is your opinion.
Not everyone there was random, I knew Brian and Stan and Dan and Gregory and several others for quite some time. Maybe your recollection is fuzzier than you think.
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MichaelX on steemit has been a prolific contributor since he discovered it recently. A quick scan of his posts show his awesome levels of competence.
He is the single most important business developer in the world to the near term future of BitShares.
I've been always wondering why Bitshares hasn't managed to attract more great blockchain devs. If Murderistic/MichaelX has been running the show behind the scenes, that might explain something. As everybody can see from his posts in this topic, he is not very nice person. I'd run away and fast if I had to work with him. He is clearly very angry, bitter and can't tolerate any criticism. It sucks quite much to work with people like him.
It was horrifying to read Stan's approval for this person. I'm pretty sure Bitshares will have quite a lot difficulties attracting competent devs or investors as long as Michael and Mark Lyford are associated to it in any way.
Seriously Stan... Nobody cares your personal views about Michael or Mark. What's most important for Bitshares (and Steem) is that any kind of associations with well known scammers are avoided at any cost. Mark has already ruined his reputation in the eyes of public and now Michael is trying very hard to ruin his own reputation too. When you are applauding these guys, you are causing serious harm for the reputation of Bitshares (and Steem).
I ran into this guy at the BItcoin thing in Vegas that several of us went to. I cant remember what we were chatting about to bring this up, but he was quick to talk about how he sold what I recall to be ~ $1 million worth of BTC at the peak. It is a strange thing for someone with money to go around talking about amounts to random people like that so I wrote him off as a likely fraud. I always wondered if Murderistic was this same person. Murderistic came around asking for $$ for some press release pass thing, but then refused to give out his identity. It was strange..
These are all from my memories and I may very well be wrong.
memories are indeed wrong.
I came around with a delegate proposal for a paid traffic campaign with banners and PPC traffic. People didn't like it. No press pass thing @gamey
As for calling me a scammer because I talked about the fact I bought bitcoin at $30 and sold at 997 = well I guess that is your opinion.
Not everyone there was random, I knew Brian and Stan and Dan and Gregory and several others for quite some time. Maybe your recollection is fuzzier than you think.
No, the discussion was when we were walking away from the lunch get together There was no Brian/Stan/Dan/Gregory in this discussion. I've known people with millions, some from family some self-made and I've never seen them openly talk about amounts to people they barely know. Mentioning your entry/exit point is one thing, but conveying how much you had is a different thing entirely. One is small talk and one is to demonstrate something. (for whatever reason)
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I suppose that was my mistake in having an open conversation with you.
My apologies for setting of your radar.
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I suppose that was my mistake in having an open conversation with you.
My apologies for setting of your radar.
No worries. It wasn't much of a conversation which is what made it stand out even more. I'd never seen legitimate monied people talk like that. Still haven't. Glad to see one be so open about their finances.
Not sure what I am thinking in regards to the 2k requested for the marketing thing. It was something that'd allow them to publish directly to publications in the interest of Bitshares. A noble goal to be sure, but it seemed to sort of disappear when they were asked to provide their real name from the community. Probably my memory failing me, although in general it is pretty good.
Cheers.
edit - Also I never ever called you a scammer. That is your doing. I didn't even imply it. I have no reason to think you are a scammer, just that you are a <ahem> a bit suspect. Honestly I had always wondered who you were since I was familiar with everyone at that convention that was involved with BitShares. I guessed you were Murderistic, but never knew until that picture was posted with you in. Anyway, good luck on your endeavors and spreading blockchain technology to the gambling world out of the kindness of your heart.
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They asked for $27,000 dollars on steemit lol. We need to track these guys with a camera to see what they do each day. Anyways, Ned flagged this didn't he? Made me happy to be part of Steem/Steemit.
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I suppose that was my mistake in having an open conversation with you.
My apologies for setting of your radar.
No worries. It wasn't much of a conversation which is what made it stand out even more. I'd never seen legitimate monied people talk like that. Still haven't. Glad to see one be so open about their finances.
Not sure what I am thinking in regards to the 2k requested for the marketing thing. It was something that'd allow them to publish directly to publications in the interest of Bitshares. A noble goal to be sure, but it seemed to sort of disappear when they were asked to provide their real name from the community. Probably my memory failing me, although in general it is pretty good.
Cheers.
edit - Also I never ever called you a scammer. That is your doing. I didn't even imply it. I have no reason to think you are a scammer, just that you are a <ahem> a bit suspect. Honestly I had always wondered who you were since I was familiar with everyone at that convention that was involved with BitShares. I guessed you were Murderistic, but never knew until that picture was posted with you in. Anyway, good luck on your endeavors and spreading blockchain technology to the gambling world out of the kindness of your heart.
I provided a name, and I belive a few others stood for me, but the vitriol displayed seemed to dissuade me from even attempting to reason with people.
I appreciate the comment, though it seems not genuine - "good luck - out of the kindness of your heart."
Save it if you are going to pretend you care @gamey.
ps - re: scam reread your comments, you said scam, scammy, etc that's enough. and you know it.
pps - this forum is like my teenage son, it stinks - it doesn't know what it wants, it's unstable and generally unreliable.
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They asked for $27,000 dollars on steemit lol. We need to track these guys with a camera to see what they do each day. Anyways, Ned flagged this didn't he? Made me happy to be part of Steem/Steemit.
Actually, I already spent it, never asked for it.
We just let everyone know what the marketing cost of a real campaign that brought tens of thousands of people looked like.
Track me with a camera?
Champion of human rights and decentralization. you make me sick @ag
What is wrong with you?
Ned flagged it because...I don't know, let's ask @Ned officially?
PS - I brought 800 new members to steemit today @ag - what did you do.
@Stan @dan - this is why this community DIED.
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Wait and see. :)
It's incredibly ironic, but I think you don't fully grasp the genius of Dan's work. If you did, you wouldn't lower yourself to deal with people with that kind of sketchy background because what Dan has developed is simply brilliant and *will* speak for itself eventually. By endorsing that kind of folks, it's your own son's reputation you are tarnishing.
Seriously, did you see that new project of Mark Lyford and Michael Taggart: Steemcash.com (http://"http://steemcash.com") ?. This page is the epitome of bad taste cheap raucuous sales pitch drivel they didn't even bother to run through a spellchecker. This page is an embarassement to Steem in itself, it's the most recklessly parasitic "business" I have seen appearing around Steem, guaranteed to make Steem appear like a cheap get-rich-quick sc(heme/am) to anyone finding about it that way.
Thinking that this is the creation of a Cryptonomex founder highly recommended by Cryptonomex CEO is simply nauseating. If you really support that nonsense, why don't you just, you know, go that direction all the way and start installing spyware and adware in binaries, and put porn, online dating and casino adds everywhere? Because that's exactly the kind of crap I would expect to find in Steemit and Cryptonomex after reading that Steemcash trash pitch, and not the technical chef-d'oeuvre that Graphene, BitShares and Steem actually are.
Seriously Stan, if you have any sort of self-esteem and respect for Dan's work, take some distance from Michael Taggart and Mark Lyford, at least as far as public dealings around Steem and BitShares are concerned (who your friends are in private is none of our business). Your son is a freaking genius, YOU JUST DON'T NEED these cheap snake oil salesmen. They are the ones who need you, and that's why they spend most of their effort trying to appear friendly, smart and helpful to you.
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1. I was never a part of BANX. EVER. I consulted with Mark at times on cases of marketing. I didn't have anything to do with the decisions he ultimately made there.
I would like to confirm that Michael had never been a part of Banx and has only ever assisted me with marketing consultancy.
What about other way around... has Banx ever been in involved with Michael? Apparently Banx owns (or owned?) half of Remittio. If there is a discussion about relationship between Michael and Banx, don't you think this is something that would be fair to mention?
(https://s32.postimg.org/oljiild2t/remittiobanx.png)
Screenshot taken from BanxCapital.com (http://banxcapital.com/our-businesses/).
Would you mind telling how Banx aqcuired the shares? Were they bought with the money that came from Banx investors? Or did Michael just gave half of the company to Banx?
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I suppose that was my mistake in having an open conversation with you.
My apologies for setting of your radar.
No worries. It wasn't much of a conversation which is what made it stand out even more. I'd never seen legitimate monied people talk like that. Still haven't. Glad to see one be so open about their finances.
Not sure what I am thinking in regards to the 2k requested for the marketing thing. It was something that'd allow them to publish directly to publications in the interest of Bitshares. A noble goal to be sure, but it seemed to sort of disappear when they were asked to provide their real name from the community. Probably my memory failing me, although in general it is pretty good.
Cheers.
edit - Also I never ever called you a scammer. That is your doing. I didn't even imply it. I have no reason to think you are a scammer, just that you are a <ahem> a bit suspect. Honestly I had always wondered who you were since I was familiar with everyone at that convention that was involved with BitShares. I guessed you were Murderistic, but never knew until that picture was posted with you in. Anyway, good luck on your endeavors and spreading blockchain technology to the gambling world out of the kindness of your heart.
I provided a name, and I belive a few others stood for me, but the vitriol displayed seemed to dissuade me from even attempting to reason with people.
I appreciate the comment, though it seems not genuine - "good luck - out of the kindness of your heart."
Save it if you are going to pretend you care @gamey.
ps - re: scam reread your comments, you said scam, scammy, etc that's enough. and you know it.
pps - this forum is like my teenage son, it stinks - it doesn't know what it wants, it's unstable and generally unreliable.
I said "I wrote you off as a fraud". I didn't say anything about your specific actions in business just as how you came across to me. I didn't use scam, scamming or whatever. Again, those are your words. I have reread what I said more than once now. You can keep trying to rewrite what is going on, but I honestly have no reason to think you're a scammer. I didn't know who you were. You were just some dude with arm tats telling me how he made an easy million.
I personally don't care, it is just that this was finally solved for me. That dude is Murderistic. Nothing more. I should have just kept my mouth quiet.
I'm not sure about this forum, back in the day it was quite a useful place although I will admit some passion was misplaced by users at times. It is an easy scapegoat, and has always been that way with certain types. I'm seeing it here.. pathetic.
I'm sure you're a smart guy and good at whatever marketing type stuff you do. For real. I was poking fun about you about the gambling project that was for the good of mankind, but that was your spin.... now you act all hurt. Epic.
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I suppose that was my mistake in having an open conversation with you.
My apologies for setting of your radar.
No worries. It wasn't much of a conversation which is what made it stand out even more. I'd never seen legitimate monied people talk like that. Still haven't. Glad to see one be so open about their finances.
Not sure what I am thinking in regards to the 2k requested for the marketing thing. It was something that'd allow them to publish directly to publications in the interest of Bitshares. A noble goal to be sure, but it seemed to sort of disappear when they were asked to provide their real name from the community. Probably my memory failing me, although in general it is pretty good.
Cheers.
edit - Also I never ever called you a scammer. That is your doing. I didn't even imply it. I have no reason to think you are a scammer, just that you are a <ahem> a bit suspect. Honestly I had always wondered who you were since I was familiar with everyone at that convention that was involved with BitShares. I guessed you were Murderistic, but never knew until that picture was posted with you in. Anyway, good luck on your endeavors and spreading blockchain technology to the gambling world out of the kindness of your heart.
I provided a name, and I belive a few others stood for me, but the vitriol displayed seemed to dissuade me from even attempting to reason with people.
I appreciate the comment, though it seems not genuine - "good luck - out of the kindness of your heart."
Save it if you are going to pretend you care @gamey.
ps - re: scam reread your comments, you said scam, scammy, etc that's enough. and you know it.
pps - this forum is like my teenage son, it stinks - it doesn't know what it wants, it's unstable and generally unreliable.
I said "I wrote you off as a fraud". I didn't say anything about your specific actions in business just as how you came across to me. I didn't use scam, scamming or whatever. Again, those are your words. I have reread what I said more than once now. You can keep trying to rewrite what is going on, but I honestly have no reason to think you're a scammer. I didn't know who you were. You were just some dude with arm tats telling me how he made an easy million.
I personally don't care, it is just that this was finally solved for me. That dude is Murderistic. Nothing more. I should have just kept my mouth quiet.
I'm not sure about this forum, back in the day it was quite a useful place although I will admit some passion was misplaced by users at times. It is an easy scapegoat, and has always been that way with certain types. I'm seeing it here.. pathetic.
I'm sure you're a smart guy and good at whatever marketing type stuff you do. For real. I was poking fun about you about the gambling project that was for the good of mankind, but that was your spin.... now you act all hurt. Epic.
LOL.
We all know why this community here is toxic - it begins with the general attitude displayed in your comments - and your friends.
Not playful.
Either way, enjoy knowing everything - this "fraudster" paid $10,000+ to advertisers and referrers that brought over 1k new people to steemit today.
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Either way, enjoy knowing everything - this "fraudster" paid $10,000+ to advertisers and referrers that brought over 1k new people to steemit today.
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Mods: Please delete this thread. :-[
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Mods: Please delete this thread. :-[
we don't delete threads here except for obvious spam
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Mods: Please delete this thread. :-[
Why would you want anything like that? On the contrary, this should be pinned so that everybody can see what kind of person Michael/Murderistic really is.
You can't solve any problems by hiding them.
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Mods: Please delete this thread. :-[
Why would you want anything like that? On the contrary, this should be pinned so that everybody can see what kind of person Michael/Murderistic really is.
You can't solve any problems by hiding them.
Because the thread was started by an outsider to our community who has never contributed anything to bitshares and who only joined this forum to promote his own article elsewhere and who is now here only to spread FUD.
You think he is here posting again now, after a long absence, in order to add to our community or the development of BitShares? Give yourself a shake of the head.
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I suppose that was my mistake in having an open conversation with you.
My apologies for setting of your radar.
No worries. It wasn't much of a conversation which is what made it stand out even more. I'd never seen legitimate monied people talk like that. Still haven't. Glad to see one be so open about their finances.
Not sure what I am thinking in regards to the 2k requested for the marketing thing. It was something that'd allow them to publish directly to publications in the interest of Bitshares. A noble goal to be sure, but it seemed to sort of disappear when they were asked to provide their real name from the community. Probably my memory failing me, although in general it is pretty good.
Cheers.
edit - Also I never ever called you a scammer. That is your doing. I didn't even imply it. I have no reason to think you are a scammer, just that you are a <ahem> a bit suspect. Honestly I had always wondered who you were since I was familiar with everyone at that convention that was involved with BitShares. I guessed you were Murderistic, but never knew until that picture was posted with you in. Anyway, good luck on your endeavors and spreading blockchain technology to the gambling world out of the kindness of your heart.
I provided a name, and I belive a few others stood for me, but the vitriol displayed seemed to dissuade me from even attempting to reason with people.
I appreciate the comment, though it seems not genuine - "good luck - out of the kindness of your heart."
Save it if you are going to pretend you care @gamey.
ps - re: scam reread your comments, you said scam, scammy, etc that's enough. and you know it.
pps - this forum is like my teenage son, it stinks - it doesn't know what it wants, it's unstable and generally unreliable.
I said "I wrote you off as a fraud". I didn't say anything about your specific actions in business just as how you came across to me. I didn't use scam, scamming or whatever. Again, those are your words. I have reread what I said more than once now. You can keep trying to rewrite what is going on, but I honestly have no reason to think you're a scammer. I didn't know who you were. You were just some dude with arm tats telling me how he made an easy million.
I personally don't care, it is just that this was finally solved for me. That dude is Murderistic. Nothing more. I should have just kept my mouth quiet.
I'm not sure about this forum, back in the day it was quite a useful place although I will admit some passion was misplaced by users at times. It is an easy scapegoat, and has always been that way with certain types. I'm seeing it here.. pathetic.
I'm sure you're a smart guy and good at whatever marketing type stuff you do. For real. I was poking fun about you about the gambling project that was for the good of mankind, but that was your spin.... now you act all hurt. Epic.
LOL.
We all know why this community here is toxic - it begins with the general attitude displayed in your comments - and your friends.
Not playful.
Either way, enjoy knowing everything - this "fraudster" paid $10,000+ to advertisers and referrers that brought over 1k new people to steemit today.
People who don't like truth/transparency do not like this forum. That doesn't make it toxic. There has been tons of good stuff on this forum. Just that when people don't like what they're reading, they blame the forum.
Really you strike me as a petty man. Going around bragging about money issues still. Good stuff.
I have little in BitShares and nothing in Steem. I'm glad Steem has taken off, just because I like some of the people in that community and like to see nice people do well.
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Because the thread was started by an outsider to our community who has never contributed anything to bitshares and who only joined this forum to promote his own article elsewhere and who is now here only to spread FUD.
You think he is here posting again now, after a long absence, in order to add to our community or the development of BitShares? Give yourself a shake of the head.
If you read the OP, you can see that he came here to warn us about well known scammers. That is really valuable for Bitshares. Or at least it would be, if people just took him seriously...
I've been researching Lyford and Banx for the last few days and the more I read about them, the more convinced I am that he is a real scammer. DeMartino has been completely right.
This is my latest post on Steem: https://steemit.com/marklyford/@ samupaha/the-case-of-banx-and-c-cex (copypaste the link and remove the space)
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For the record, if anyone attempts to delete this thread, I'll put a copy on Steem.
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For the record, if anyone attempts to delete this thread, I'll put a copy on Steem.
it's fine, in case something happens to this thread and I am unable to reconstruct it there's an archive of it http://archive.ec/nvxEz
I hate censorship.
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@Murderistic, I think it's a real misstep to let Mark be the face of of your marketing campaign. While it may be unfair to label him a scammer, it is very clear that he is not a good business person. Fact is, he did at the very least ROYALLY screw up and lost a bunch of money for a bunch of people. And yeah, it doesn't look good from the outside looking in. But again, in a civilized society where people have the right to due process, and there are laws against slandering/libeling others (as there should be), no one should be claiming with any certainty that he is a scammer. Having said that, he has rightfully earned a poor reputation. You should understand that and act accordingly i.e. NOT let him be the front man of any marketing campaign.
Surely you can see why many bristle at the idea of Mark's face being on the campaign. To begin with, this type of marketing often has a negative perception on its own. Although of course it's unfair to assume that it's a scam, that there's spyware involved, etc. Spyware in this case? Really, people?
Also, as far as having this style of marketing campaign associated with Steemit, the fact is that others are going to do it anyway. That is the plain reality. There are tons of these showing how to make money with Facebook, for example. Does that reflect on Facebook? I seriously doubt it. So that's just not an overriding factor for anyone thinking rationally and objectively. But I do have a couple of real problems. First, I object to using the Steemit logo in the campaign, or otherwise making it look anything like the offering is sponsored by Steemit. Also, I agree with @fav about the bots information. That is not helpful at all. And I don't think it's helpful to bill Steemit as a way to get rich quick.
As for the reason this thread started to begin with, I will just say this. I personally appreciate investigative journalism or anyone's attempt to uncover a scam or fraud. But it appears Ian DeMartino is trying to make a very circumstantial case against Michael Taggart based on a couple of erroneous bits of information on a website, and based on his association with Mark Lyford (who himself has only been shown to be a shitty business person). That's pretty flimsy. Generally speaking, unless you have conclusive evidence, you better not go beyond warning the public about any poor business practices you have uncovered (which is clearly the case with Mark). In other words, stick to the facts. Be professional. And follow the law. Otherwise you may be worse than the person you are accusing.
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1. I was never a part of BANX. EVER. I consulted with Mark at times on cases of marketing. I didn't have anything to do with the decisions he ultimately made there.
I would like to confirm that Michael had never been a part of Banx and has only ever assisted me with marketing consultancy.
What about other way around... has Banx ever been in involved with Michael? Apparently Banx owns (or owned?) half of Remittio. If there is a discussion about relationship between Michael and Banx, don't you think this is something that would be fair to mention?
(https://s32.postimg.org/oljiild2t/remittiobanx.png)
Screenshot taken from BanxCapital.com (http://banxcapital.com/our-businesses/).
Would you mind telling how Banx aqcuired the shares? Were they bought with the money that came from Banx investors? Or did Michael just gave half of the company to Banx?
A little bit more on this... according to this pdf (http://banxcapital.s3.amazonaws.com/Banx_The_Plan_%28BanxHoldersOnly%29.pdf), there were quite clearly something more going on than just marketing consulting.
"Banx owns 50% of Remittio."
"Remember, Banx Shares holders ultimately get a part of the profits from Remittio, Lotto Shares and CrowdMy.com."
"We are working closely with Michael Taggart and his staff, dealing with display advertising for the DMR [Digital Money Revolution] funnel."
"We have some exciting news about DMT [DigitalMoneyTimes.com]. Michael Taggart and I have struck a deal for his company to take 50% of this website."
"We currently have over $25,000 of investment into Lotto Shares."
"CrowdMy.com will be a 50/50 partnership company with Banx and Michael Taggart’s company."
That was the message for Banx investors. They were promised profits from companies owned by Michael Taggart. No wonder that somebody could think that Michael was actually heavily involved in Banx and not only gave some marketing advice.
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wow you guys are still going here....wow .
As for the marketing campaign - it is going stunningly well, thanks for your concern HA.
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wow you guys are still going here....wow .
And I will be going on. I sincerely think that you and Lyford are hurting both Bitshares and Steem with you presence. Lyford is a scammer and healthy communities should kick everybody like him far away. By fiercely defending him you are implying that you are exactly the same kind of person.
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What's funny to me is murderistic post on steemit denouncing trump, calling his supporters fools:
https://steemit.com/wtf/@michaelx/trump-officially-nominated-by-rnc-in-other-news-the-world-is-officially-over-lol
Half of America is officially Crazy, and the OTHER half is even Nuttier!
Good Lord.
Where should I move?
But what would you expect from people that brag about their millions of dollars, and start businesses that make exaggerated claims and rip of its customers ( ex: Trump University ). It's the trump standard of integrity, which includes the zero possibility of any admission of self responsibility. And if we want to be nice, the inability to understand the ethical wrongness of their actions.
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What's funny to me is murderistic post on steemit denouncing trump, calling his supporters fools:
https://steemit.com/wtf/@michaelx/trump-officially-nominated-by-rnc-in-other-news-the-world-is-officially-over-lol
Half of America is officially Crazy, and the OTHER half is even Nuttier!
Good Lord.
Where should I move?
But what would you expect from people that brag about their millions of dollars, and start businesses that make exaggerated claims and rip of its customers ( ex: Trump University ). It's the trump standard of integrity, which includes the zero possibility of any admission of self responsibility. And if we want to be nice, the inability to understand the ethical wrongness of their actions.
+5.
To me, if one is constantly accused of been a scammer, and his defense all the more defensive.. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to work it out.
I don't even know why I bother reading this forum anymore, the BTS ethos has evolved around lies and scandal. I invested a lot of hard earned money into this project. Only to see it dwindle thanks to fake announcements and cowboys (per this topic). Then the core developer jumping ship with a project funded by us idiot investors!
Wish id listened to other forum members earlier.
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This may be the one time in your life when you will be pleased to know that everything you just posted is completely wrong.
Perhaps now you will sleep better.
:)
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Semper Fi. :)
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Semper Fi. :)
Ain't forgetting anybody? :)
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@Murderistic, I think it's a real misstep to let Mark be the face of of your marketing campaign. While it may be unfair to label him a scammer, it is very clear that he is not a good business person. Fact is, he did at the very least ROYALLY screw up and lost a bunch of money for a bunch of people. And yeah, it doesn't look good from the outside looking in. But again, in a civilized society where people have the right to due process, and there are laws against slandering/libeling others (as there should be), no one should be claiming with any certainty that he is a scammer. Having said that, he has rightfully earned a poor reputation. You should understand that and act accordingly i.e. NOT let him be the front man of any marketing campaign.
Surely you can see why many bristle at the idea of Mark's face being on the campaign. To begin with, this type of marketing often has a negative perception on its own. Although of course it's unfair to assume that it's a scam, that there's spyware involved, etc. Spyware in this case? Really, people?
Also, as far as having this style of marketing campaign associated with Steemit, the fact is that others are going to do it anyway. That is the plain reality. There are tons of these showing how to make money with Facebook, for example. Does that reflect on Facebook? I seriously doubt it. So that's just not an overriding factor for anyone thinking rationally and objectively. But I do have a couple of real problems. First, I object to using the Steemit logo in the campaign, or otherwise making it look anything like the offering is sponsored by Steemit. Also, I agree with @fav about the bots information. That is not helpful at all. And I don't think it's helpful to bill Steemit as a way to get rich quick.
As for the reason this thread started to begin with, I will just say this. I personally appreciate investigative journalism or anyone's attempt to uncover a scam or fraud. But it appears Ian DeMartino is trying to make a very circumstantial case against Michael Taggart based on a couple of erroneous bits of information on a website, and based on his association with Mark Lyford (who himself has only been shown to be a shitty business person). That's pretty flimsy. Generally speaking, unless you have conclusive evidence, you better not go beyond warning the public about any poor business practices you have uncovered (which is clearly the case with Mark). In other words, stick to the facts. Be professional. And follow the law. Otherwise you may be worse than the person you are accusing.
This!!
If you guys missed it .. read it again!
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@Murderistic, I think it's a real misstep to let Mark be the face of of your marketing campaign. While it may be unfair to label him a scammer, it is very clear that he is not a good business person. Fact is, he did at the very least ROYALLY screw up and lost a bunch of money for a bunch of people. And yeah, it doesn't look good from the outside looking in. But again, in a civilized society where people have the right to due process, and there are laws against slandering/libeling others (as there should be), no one should be claiming with any certainty that he is a scammer.
As I've been digging into Banx case for the last few days, I've become very convinced that there is no way it could have been legitimate business. Lyford has been lying, deceiving and misleading people the whole time. When somebody criticizes him, he just denies it aggressively and usually calls the critic "troll" or "hater" who doesn't know anything. Many times he just deletes all messages that he doesn't agree with. Apparently he thinks that if he denies his fraudulent behavior enough many times, people will believe him. So he just continues to do that even when the evidence is totally clear.
According to the messages in Bitcointalk, investors are not happy and Lyford is under investigation. I'd be surprised if he doesn't go to jail because of Banx.
Here's something that all of Lyford's investors should be looking at, what exactly has he closed down?, there are no formal filings with companies house that I can see so perhaps all he has done is turn off the website & turn his back?, is he naive enough to think that this will suffice?
Then the question arises, what entity exactly sold the shares to the investors>, was it Banx Ltd?, if so than a formal liquidation needs to occur with a full winding up process undertaken with final tax returns filed,
or was it Mark Lyford as an individual? in which case, given that you cannot liquidate an individual if he cannot repay the investors he will need to file for personal bankruptcy (again), this will be a good thing as it will kill his directorships of any other company he may be associated with & offers the investors the opportunity to pursue adversarial proceedings against him to deny him bankruptcy protection from his debts,in other words, kill his credit for at least 20 years,small token,
something to watch
source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1181883.msg14635937#msg14635937)
a UK based investor managed to track Lyford down yesterday via 'phone, Lyford agreed to meet the investor to offer an explanation of what had caused the problems & a way forward, no one will be surprised to read that Lyford was a no show, no explanation no excuse he simply didn't turn up, he is a sociopath, he simply does not care about anyone but himself & he will do whatever it takes to get what he wants, he has hurt a lot of people & it means absolutely nothing to him, now the situation is that he sees himself as the victim, after all he has done for everyone!!
anyway, the investor went straight to the police & filed a complaint, best thing he could have done given the circumstances,
source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1181883.msg14649411#msg14649411)
"I know Mark didn't set out to scam everyone"
well,maybe not "everyone" but it's close, for my part I know that he stole $30k from me & tried to grab an additional $150k during 2015 & into 2016,in my opinion what he presented to me was pure fabrication from day one, the profits that were allegedly being generated and which he added to my balance statements (giving me a total declared value of $52k in Dec 2015) were bogus & had never been achieved by any legitimate means, (net value today $6.41...........maybe!)
The sheer length of time that Mark kept this scam running could very well be his undoing, there is no logical,sensible or believable explanation for what he was doing or why, we have a total mix of initial inducement to misrepresentation to bogus profit shares to a total lack of fiduciary duty,
source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1181883.msg14662079#msg14662079)
As of now I have managed to connect with 7 of Lyfords investors, we are uniting to lodge formal complaints with various authorities, is there any other investor out there that may want to join in?, you can message me via this forum,
I have to say that after talking to my fellow investors that this situation is nothing at all to do with bad luck, it has nothing to do with the world not being ready for Lyford's business, it has everything to do with it being a concerted effort by a morally bankrupt Lyford to scam as much money as possible from wherever he could get his thieving hands on it, he has lied & misled everyone, he is even now still trying to buy time to avert any negative action,
If you are an investor or anyone here knows of anyone that has opted to believe in Lyford at this late stage & to give him time to make things right, get in touch, share your experience, you will find that he is not legitimate, he has no plans to make anyone whole, I'm wondering where the off-shore money is stashed & just when he will hightail it out of Dodge,
Lyford is a con, it is that simple,
source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1181883.msg14681490#msg14681490)
He deleted his post on Facebook and therefore all the comments that went with it.
I saw four of the comments he got before it was deleted:
*Begin copy/paste from FB*
Commenter number 1
Think you should hold your hands up and be a bit more truthful Mark. Half a million dollers investment and u created fuck all. Most investors are going to be wondering where the money has gone coz i believe you used Banx shares to pay for the exchange and other services etc. It was only one month ago you were mivering me for more money for investment when you know the company had already collapsed. I can honestly say the trolls were 100% correct, you were running a ponzi scheme and u were caught out. Everything they said was true and the worst scenario for investors has come to pass. I think you owe investors some detailed transparency of where the funds have gone coz as i've said u created next to nothing with alot of money. I hate to say this but its true, your monthly updates in videos etc have proven you to be either full of shit or your living in some kind of dreamworld. I hope you do the correct thing and produce some legitimate transparency where investors can see that you have'nt spunked the investment on other things. Most people as you said yourself invested in you, what a mistake this has proven to be
Commenter number 2
I couldn't have put it better myself
Commenter number 3
Well said Commenter number 1! Turns out the so called trolls have been right about this clown all along! He's spanked away half a million dollars and told us nothing but a pack of lies from day 1. My friends and I invested over £100k into this shambles of a company. I wonder how much of our money he actually has left in his bank? That's a nice big house he's sitting in, who's paying for that? (There were a list of names here) where has our money gone? No transparency whatsoever. Just smoke and mirrors!
Commenter number 2
All the bullshit he's been posting on the forum for the last few months as well. Whilst all long knowing this day was coming. What a scumbag of a human he turned out to be.
*End copy/paste from FB*
source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1181883.msg14629034#msg14629034)
As for the reason this thread started to begin with, I will just say this. I personally appreciate investigative journalism or anyone's attempt to uncover a scam or fraud. But it appears Ian DeMartino is trying to make a very circumstantial case against Michael Taggart based on a couple of erroneous bits of information on a website, and based on his association with Mark Lyford (who himself has only been shown to be a shitty business person). That's pretty flimsy. Generally speaking, unless you have conclusive evidence, you better not go beyond warning the public about any poor business practices you have uncovered (which is clearly the case with Mark). In other words, stick to the facts. Be professional. And follow the law. Otherwise you may be worse than the person you are accusing.
According to this pdf (http://banxcapital.s3.amazonaws.com/Banx_The_Plan_%28BanxHoldersOnly%29.pdf), Banx and Taggart have been business partners. It's dated 5th November 2015 when it should have been totally clear to everybody that Banx was a scam that will fail very soon. I don't believe that Michael could have been unaware how Banx was conducting it's "business". After all, he and Mark seem to be good friends. The fact that Michael is still defending Mark so eagerly indicates that either he is a scammer too (but much better hiding his trails) or he is living in totally different reality (he is incapable of being aware of scams even when he is actively taking part in them).
So we are really talking about a real scam here. There is no way anybody can deny it, the evidence is clear. If @Murderistic wants to clear his name, he should at least publish all relevant financial information from the companies that were in business partnership with Banx to show that they were actually doing something legitimate. But given that he tried to hide the realtionship in this very thread makes me believe that we are not going to see anything else besides insults from him.
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My latest post on Steem: Banx was definitely a scam (http://steem.link/HFo8z)
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The Truth About Mark Lyford and Banx >> http://marky.biz/thetruth (http://marky.biz/thetruth)
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The Truth About Mark Lyford and Banx >> https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@MarkLyford/the-truth-about-mark-lyford-and-banx
URL doesn't seem to work. Even with a direct copy and paste. Maybe double check it ? Maybe I'm screwing it up..
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The Truth About Mark Lyford and Banx >> https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@MarkLyford/the-truth-about-mark-lyford-and-banx
URL doesn't seem to work. Even with a direct copy and paste. Maybe double check it ? Maybe I'm screwing it up..
Fixed now: The Truth About Mark Lyford and Banx >> http://marky.biz/thetruth (http://marky.biz/thetruth)
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The Truth About Mark Lyford and Banx >> https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@MarkLyford/the-truth-about-mark-lyford-and-banx
URL doesn't seem to work. Even with a direct copy and paste. Maybe double check it ? Maybe I'm screwing it up..
Fixed now: The Truth About Mark Lyford and Banx >> http://marky.biz/thetruth (http://marky.biz/thetruth)
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@Murderistic
Care to explain this?
(http://i.imgur.com/VGzjHyl.png)
Seems to be a bit more than just "a bit of marketing"
Also, on the subject of LottoShares, you said you gave everyone their money back. But I heard that you also pushed everyone you could into Banx and Banx Mining. Do you care to deny that?
Thanks.
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oh well, look at https://steemcash.com/partners9408963
they just won't let go, trying to milk even more clueless idiots.
Mark Lyford, Michael Taggart MLM Scheme Steem Steemit
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Why does every page Mark does to promote stuff look like a low budget scam. At least put some effort into it. It looks just like spam
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Why does every page Mark does to promote stuff look like a low budget scam. At least put some effort into it. It looks just like spam
But WAIT, there's more! Order now and get not 1, but 2 for the low price of scam.
This one does look like a terrible infomercial.
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Great read: ‘Co-Founder’ Of BitShares Involved In Banx Scam http://coinjournal.net/michael-taggart-involved-banx-scam/
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Great read: ‘Co-Founder’ Of BitShares Involved In Banx Scam http://coinjournal.net/michael-taggart-involved-banx-scam/
thanks very clear
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Imho everyone thats has had BTS allocated in the genesis block (e.g. from PTS or AGS) can rightfully be called co-founder.
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Imho everyone thats has had BTS allocated in the genesis block (e.g. from PTS or AGS) can rightfully be called co-founder.
I consider Michael to be a BitShares co-founder for this and many other reasons.
He continues to build valuable components of the BitShares ecosystem.
I'd place him easily in the Top Ten most important people to the future of BitShares.
If everything he is working on comes to fruition, he will be in the Top Three.
;)
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Someone sent me this topic. What is it all about? I never know what to believe anymore. Thank God im surrounded by amazing people these days so im not stuck in this muckles...
Oh btw sharebits is working now :)
Https: //sharebits.io check it out
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Someone sent me this topic. What is it all about? I never know what to believe anymore. Thank God im surrounded by amazing people these days so im not stuck in this muckles...
Oh btw sharebits is working now :)
Https://sharebits.io check it out
Somebody sent you a topic that hasn't had a comment since 2016? Who would that be? Why isn't he/she more worried about your current problems in whaleshares, happening right now? That is what seems to need your, of course limited, very valuable attention.
https://whaleshares.io/@freedomexists/whaleshares-well-this-is-all-a-bit-shit-isn-t-it
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Whaleshares is doing fine. Im not sure why anyone who is paying attention would not know that.
But thanks for asking.
Oh also check out whale vault along with sharebits. Neither require anyone trust anything with their keys or tokens. Pretty epic eh?