yesterday, i downloaded my old muse wallet  on my computer, but i cannot open it, because it cannot be connected.

who can give me a useful faucet address? thank you so much. 

我的MUSE钱包和PLS钱包操作上都遇到一些问题，我感觉网上说不清了。

有没有人能说下自己在的城市，我想当面过去找人请教下。当交个币圈的朋友了。我在的城市也没有什么玩币的。

我昨天试着想把旧的MUSE链的币转到新链。

我先登录的旧的网页钱包，用我以前的文件恢复了下。 但是我点那个owner permissions里的public key 想看 private key的时候，点击show 没有任何反应。

想问下有人遇到过这个问题吗，该如何解决呢。非常感谢！

HI.

Yesterday, i tried to  tranfer my old muse to the new muse blockchain,  so I tried to get my old wallet private key about my owner permissions.   but when i click the button "show", nothing is shown, there is no any response. 

Is anyone who can help me. i will be so grateful.

Quote from: Stan on June 24, 2014, 07:42:17 AM

Quote from: tianshi on June 24, 2014, 06:39:03 AM

Quote from: tianshi on June 24, 2014, 06:33:23 AM

Quote from: Stan on June 24, 2014, 05:45:34 AM

Quote from: ericgliu on June 24, 2014, 05:24:10 AM
We Chinese are the most important supporters of 3I.
Donating a  lot of BTC and PTS for Bitshares,wating for such a long time , we still can't see the result we want!
How can we trust your ability!?
If the product can't come out ,We will use the law to protect our right or .....another ways you know :）
We are not weak ,just stop treating us like poor guys who can't do anything. Alright? :D
             My English is so poor,if you have seen this article,please reply it for our benefit.

The forum is full of two kinds of posts:

• Those who are happily testing the software which becomes more polished every day.
  
• Those who are very angry for reasons we can't understand.

We see that all this evidence of success is not making it through to our Chinese friends.  If it was, how could you be angry?

We are very proud of our progress and it's all plainly visible for anyone to see.
Where is all of this fear, uncertainty and doubt coming from?

I wonder if someone is sending you misinformation?

Stan,

I have some words to say.

1. i think 3I are pushing forward the development of the BTS-XT for these days and there have been some progresses recently.

2. chinese people made some contributions: they have invested a lot of money. many people do not understand programming and they even do not know much about English, so they cannot make too much contribution about programming or even the test. but they invest their money and trust. it is important because that is why 3I could have the opportunity to try their so many crazy or maybe genius ideas and do not need to worry failure because a lot of investors would pay the bill.

3. i know anger and complain are useless, people should shut their month up and let the team focus on the development.
but i understand their emotion. I also feel anxious too. quite quite worried.

firstly, from your performance: I know you are making progress, but i think it is not very efficient, and you guys cannot even make one stable wallet without any real market function? most altcoin can but you cannot with so much money and with waht you so called a strong Ｒ＆Ｄteam?

secondly, from your attitude: I think all 3I team members are nice and polite people, but you seem to be a little too optimistic and sometimes even arrogant . for over half a year, without anything comeing out, i never hear a word that we are sorry, we didn't do well, but all i hear is that we made a great thing, we are awesome. we are terriffic.  Maybe i am wrong, you are all talented people, BM is like Steve Jobs, but we are just ordinary people. but please at least admit that, in these six months ,you did not do well and the market has given the answer.

thirdly, yesterday' post by BM is a blasting fuse. first, many investors feel they are fooled,  and what i am dissapointed is that i thought BM is a talent, but all i see is he hasn't finished a stable wallet, and stroll on this forum everyday, answering almost everyone's post, i think it should be someone else's responsiblity.  you guys don't make any labor division? diffrent people are responsible for different part of jobs? so worried about the team management or lack of excution. i hear that keyhotee team take away 100+ Bitcoin every month, i don't know if it is ture, but i think it is disaster. from the work on keyhotee, i guess this team is not very good. and 3I still uses such a team to work on BTS X, no wonder a wallet we still could not be released yet. 

finnally, i just want to say, we do not want to complain too much. but the thing is that most people in this forum don't think you did a good job and what is worse, you don't think that you did a terrible job in these six months. And that is why we are so afraid of the future of 3I. and since a lot of people have been trapped in this investment, so they complain and complain again. if today they can leave without any lost of moeny , they would just leave right away, without saying any word.

so if you think you don't want hear too much complain, you could just give back the money we invested and we would stop complaining and get away? i am just joking, i know it is ridiculous, i just want to say, please at least stand on investors' position and understand people's complain

Thank you for the polite and patient explanation.

Please understand we have far more at stake in this than anyone else:  our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.

I am very sorry that I seem too optimistic and arrogant.  But that is how optimistic I am.  What would you think if I was pessimistic?  Then you would be right to be worried.   :)

As for arrogant.   I know what is involved.  I see how hard everyone is working.  I am amazed at the talent in the core team.  I understand that this flagship product cannot be rushed to release without thorough testing.  I know from 40 years of experience what it takes.  How do I communicate this to others in a way that is not perceived as arrogant?  Who will say these things if I don't?  Should these things be left unsaid?  How then would you know the truth?

I cannot agree that we have not done well (technically).  We have slain every dragon we have encountered.  We might wish that there were fewer dragons, but those are what we have encountered on the path to our long-stated goals.   We took a ten-week detour to make a critical break-through.  That detour cost us the ability to deliver an early Minimum Viable Product (MVP) in the spring, but we are now back on schedule for the same summer milestone we had originally planned:  a User Friendly Product (UFP).  Make a breakthrough, still reach the next milestone on time, and get developers started on multiple other billion dollar assets at the same time!  We have no need to apologize for any of that.

It is true that we have not done well in public relations.  We have tried to use the forum as a sounding board to get feedback on our ideas but we recognize that half the world really doesn't want to see the sausage being made.  But Bytemaster comes here often because it gives him energy to talk about his ideas and hear your feedback.  He works double shifts every day.  He goes from team member to team member, instantly in sync with what they are doing and helping guide each one in turn, then he's off to his office for his own coding session.   For those of you who have done coding, you know that it takes enormous mental energy and must be done in surges.  So when you see him here, making himself available to you and giving you insights about what he is thinking, he is really recharging for another surge of coding.

It is also true that we have not done well on Keyhotee.  We chose to focus on BTS-X and contracted Keyhotee out to others. Those others did not have the benefit of working daily with Bytemaster.   Months ago we decided it will have to wait on the back burner until BTS-X generates the resources to finish it.  So lack of progress on Keyhotee is evidence that we are focused on BTS-X. 

As for being fooled.  Fooled?  We share every thought with you.  People complain that we share too much!  We are always trying to make a better deal for every investor.  We only succeed when you succeed.  We have deliberately aligned our interests with yours.  We make money the same way you make money - and no other way.  Many times we don't pursue what we know would make everyone more money, because we can't achieve a consensus in the community.  But we are always offering you our best ideas.

We are doing exactly what we promised to do with everyone's donations (and our own).  We are building a new industry with many decentralized players.  We have not demanded to own everything. We have settled for a small sliver of the pie.   We have been creating opportunities for many others and a chance for early adopters to own a stake in many things.

Read the history of all great undertakings.  They are the history of overcoming many obstacles and enduring the criticism of those who are not in the arena, not facing the dragons, and not covered with dust and sweat and blood. 

In the end, it will be up to the judgement of each individual whether they profit greatly or give up because they lack the will to persevere. 

We will not give up.  We will fight the good fight.  And we will succeed spectacularly.

by the way, i think since you have built a solid foundation in this over half a year,so if in another 30 days, and there is still nothing, even a stable wallet coming out or when it comes out, it is quite buggy and unstable, i could only say it is a joke about the whole team.

i know these words are hurting but things seem to be very pessimistic right now.

Quote from: Stan on June 24, 2014, 07:42:17 AM

Quote from: tianshi on June 24, 2014, 06:39:03 AM

Quote from: tianshi on June 24, 2014, 06:33:23 AM

Quote from: Stan on June 24, 2014, 05:45:34 AM

Quote from: ericgliu on June 24, 2014, 05:24:10 AM
We Chinese are the most important supporters of 3I.
Donating a  lot of BTC and PTS for Bitshares,wating for such a long time , we still can't see the result we want!
How can we trust your ability!?
If the product can't come out ,We will use the law to protect our right or .....another ways you know :）
We are not weak ,just stop treating us like poor guys who can't do anything. Alright? :D
             My English is so poor,if you have seen this article,please reply it for our benefit.

The forum is full of two kinds of posts:

• Those who are happily testing the software which becomes more polished every day.
  
• Those who are very angry for reasons we can't understand.

We see that all this evidence of success is not making it through to our Chinese friends.  If it was, how could you be angry?

We are very proud of our progress and it's all plainly visible for anyone to see.
Where is all of this fear, uncertainty and doubt coming from?

I wonder if someone is sending you misinformation?

Stan,

I have some words to say.

1. i think 3I are pushing forward the development of the BTS-XT for these days and there have been some progresses recently.

2. chinese people made some contributions: they have invested a lot of money. many people do not understand programming and they even do not know much about English, so they cannot make too much contribution about programming or even the test. but they invest their money and trust. it is important because that is why 3I could have the opportunity to try their so many crazy or maybe genius ideas and do not need to worry failure because a lot of investors would pay the bill.

3. i know anger and complain are useless, people should shut their month up and let the team focus on the development.
but i understand their emotion. I also feel anxious too. quite quite worried.

firstly, from your performance: I know you are making progress, but i think it is not very efficient, and you guys cannot even make one stable wallet without any real market function? most altcoin can but you cannot with so much money and with waht you so called a strong Ｒ＆Ｄteam?

secondly, from your attitude: I think all 3I team members are nice and polite people, but you seem to be a little too optimistic and sometimes even arrogant . for over half a year, without anything comeing out, i never hear a word that we are sorry, we didn't do well, but all i hear is that we made a great thing, we are awesome. we are terriffic.  Maybe i am wrong, you are all talented people, BM is like Steve Jobs, but we are just ordinary people. but please at least admit that, in these six months ,you did not do well and the market has given the answer.

thirdly, yesterday' post by BM is a blasting fuse. first, many investors feel they are fooled,  and what i am dissapointed is that i thought BM is a talent, but all i see is he hasn't finished a stable wallet, and stroll on this forum everyday, answering almost everyone's post, i think it should be someone else's responsiblity.  you guys don't make any labor division? diffrent people are responsible for different part of jobs? so worried about the team management or lack of excution. i hear that keyhotee team take away 100+ Bitcoin every month, i don't know if it is ture, but i think it is disaster. from the work on keyhotee, i guess this team is not very good. and 3I still uses such a team to work on BTS X, no wonder a wallet we still could not be released yet. 

finnally, i just want to say, we do not want to complain too much. but the thing is that most people in this forum don't think you did a good job and what is worse, you don't think that you did a terrible job in these six months. And that is why we are so afraid of the future of 3I. and since a lot of people have been trapped in this investment, so they complain and complain again. if today they can leave without any lost of moeny , they would just leave right away, without saying any word.

so if you think you don't want hear too much complain, you could just give back the money we invested and we would stop complaining and get away? i am just joking, i know it is ridiculous, i just want to say, please at least stand on investors' position and understand people's complain

Thank you for the polite and patient explanation.

Please understand we have far more at stake in this than anyone else:  our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.

I am very sorry that I seem too optimistic and arrogant.  But that is how optimistic I am.  What would you think if I was pessimistic?  Then you would be right to be worried.   :)

As for arrogant.   I know what is involved.  I see how hard everyone is working.  I am amazed at the talent in the core team.  I understand that this flagship product cannot be rushed to release without thorough testing.  I know from 40 years of experience what it takes.  How do I communicate this to others is a way that is not perceived as arrogant?  Who will say these things if I don't?  Should these things be left unsaid?  How then would you know the truth?

I cannot agree that we have not done well (technically).  We have slain every dragon we have encountered.  We might wish that there were fewer dragons, but those are what we have encountered on the path to our long-stated goals.   We took a ten-week detour to make a critical break-through.  That detour cost us the ability to deliver an early Minimum Viable Product (MVP) in the spring, but we are now back on schedule for the same summer milestone we had originally planned:  a User Friendly Product (UFP).  Make a breakthrough, still reach the next milestone on time, and get developers started on multiple other billion dollar assets at the same time!  We have no need to apologize for any of that.

It is true that we have not done well in public relations.  We have tried to use the forum as a sounding board to get feedback on our ideas but we recognize that half the world really doesn't want to see the sausage being made.  But Bytemaster comes here often because it gives him energy to talk about his ideas and hear your feedback.  He works double shifts every day.  He goes from team member to team member, instantly in sync with what they are doing and helping guide each one in turn, then he's off to his office for his own coding session.   For those of you who have done coding, you know that it takes enormous mental energy and must be done in surges.  So when you see him here, making himself available to you and giving you insights about what he is thinking, he is really recharging for another surge of coding.

It is also true that we have not done well on Keyhotee.  We chose to focus on BTS-X and contracted Keyhotee out to others. Those others did not have the benefit of working daily with Bytemaster.   Months ago we decided it will have to wait on the back burner until BTS-X generates the resources to finish it.  So lack of progress on Keyhotee is evidence that we are focused on BTS-X. 

As for being fooled.  Fooled?  We share every thought with you.  People complain that we share too much!  We are always trying to make a better deal for every investor.  We only succeed when you succeed.  We have deliberately aligned our interests with yours.  We make money the same way you make money - and no other way.  Many times we don't pursue what we know would make everyone more money, because we can't achieve a consensus in the community.  But we are always offering you our best ideas.

We are doing exactly what we promised to do with everyone's donations (and our own).  We are building a new industry with many decentralized players.  We have not demanded to own everything. We have settled for a small sliver of the pie.   We have been creating opportunities for many others and a chance for early adopters to own a stake in many things.

Read the history of all great undertakings.  They are the history of overcoming many obstacles and enduring the criticism of those who are not in the arena, not facing the dragons, and not covered with dust and sweat and blood. 

In the end, it will be up to the judgement of each individual whether they profit greatly or give up because they lack the will to persevere. 

We will not give up.  We will fight the good fight.  And we will succeed spectacularly.

Thank you. Stan. Thank you all, thank you for all the hard work that BM,you and the whole team have made.

I think maybe, maybe your strategy is right, (though i am quite worried it is not. )

i think it's  perfectionism  VS  efficiency 

I hope you are right. and you could become the Apple company in cryto-currency field and could make something like iphone. i now can only comfort myslef like this. or i think there are nothing else i can do.

and i just hope you could make a better balance bewteen perfectionism and efficiency. Because it seems that the market is losing their confidence and that is not a good phenomenon. that means even the product is released, no one would buy it. maybe like the failure of Motorola (Iridium plan? this may be not a very good example)maybe you are good, but many other teams are also doing well, maybe better? I don't know, cause there is no product of yours.  hope you could be the Blazzard company, always be late but always perfect product.

juts realize something you promised before and make it grow mature and then start to image more. people don't want to hear too many visions or dreams, they like people who can make things done.

this forum has been full of negative emotions including me. i suggest you guys should not come here recently or rarely come here until the first product being finished. Especially for development team, they should only see the post related to test results.

Quote from: tianshi on June 24, 2014, 06:33:23 AM

Quote from: Stan on June 24, 2014, 05:45:34 AM

Quote from: ericgliu on June 24, 2014, 05:24:10 AM
We Chinese are the most important supporters of 3I.
Donating a  lot of BTC and PTS for Bitshares,wating for such a long time , we still can't see the result we want!
How can we trust your ability!?
If the product can't come out ,We will use the law to protect our right or .....another ways you know :）
We are not weak ,just stop treating us like poor guys who can't do anything. Alright? :D
             My English is so poor,if you have seen this article,please reply it for our benefit.

The forum is full of two kinds of posts:

• Those who are happily testing the software which becomes more polished every day.
  
• Those who are very angry for reasons we can't understand.

We see that all this evidence of success is not making it through to our Chinese friends.  If it was, how could you be angry?

We are very proud of our progress and it's all plainly visible for anyone to see.
Where is all of this fear, uncertainty and doubt coming from?

I wonder if someone is sending you misinformation?

Stan,

I have some words to say.

1. i think 3I are pushing forward the development of the BTS-XT for these days and there have been some progresses recently.

2. chinese people made some contributions: they have invested a lot of money. many people do not understand programming and they even do not know much about English, so they cannot make too much contribution about programming or even the test. but they invest their money and trust. it is important because that is why 3I could have the opportunity to try their so many crazy or maybe genius ideas and do not need to worry failure because a lot of investors would pay the bill.

3. i know anger and complain are useless, people should shut their month up and let the team focus on the development.
but i understand their emotion. I also feel anxious too. quite quite worried.

firstly, from your performance: I know you are making progress, but i think it is not very efficient, and you guys cannot even make one stable wallet without any real market function? most altcoin can but you cannot with so much money and with waht you so called a strong Ｒ＆Ｄteam?

secondly, from your attitude: I think all 3I team members are nice and polite people, but you seem to be a little too optimistic and sometimes even arrogant . for over half a year, without anything comeing out, i never hear a word that we are sorry, we didn't do well, but all i hear is that we made a great thing, we are awesome. we are terriffic.  Maybe i am wrong, you are all talented people, BM is like Steve Jobs, but we are just ordinary people. but please at least admit that, in these six months ,you did not do well and the market has given the answer.

thirdly, yesterday' post by BM is a blasting fuse. first, many investors feel they are fooled,  and what i am dissapointed is that i thought BM is a talent, but all i see is he hasn't finished a stable wallet, and stroll on this forum everyday, answering almost everyone's post, i think it should be someone else's responsiblity.  you guys don't make any labor division? diffrent people are responsible for different part of jobs? so worried about the team management or lack of excution. i hear that keyhotee team take away 100+ Bitcoin every month, i don't know if it is ture, but i think it is disaster. from the work on keyhotee, i guess this team is not very good. and 3I still uses such a team to work on BTS X, no wonder a wallet we still could not be released yet. 

finnally, i just want to say, we do not want to complain too much. but the thing is that most people in this forum don't think you did a good job and what is worse, you don't think that you did a terrible job in these six months. And that is why we are so afraid of the future of 3I. and since a lot of people have been trapped in this investment, so they complain and complain again. if today they can leave without any lost of moeny , they would just leave right away, without saying any word.

so if you think you don't wanna hear too much complain, you could just give back the money we invested and we would stop complaining and get away? i am just joking, i know it is ridiculous, i just want to say, please at least stand on investors' position and understand people's complain

亲王终于出手了。看不下去了。是可忍孰不可忍孰了。

我只能期望许愿 丹 是个乔布斯式的天才了，所有的事情都是我们凡人无法理解他的想法。

要么就是即使他现在还不成熟，但也会快速成长，早日把事情和团队带向正规。

Quote from: onceuponatime on June 24, 2014, 01:05:26 AM

Quote from: tianshi on June 23, 2014, 07:58:42 AM

Quote from: onceuponatime on June 23, 2014, 06:37:44 AM
There is far too much posting in the main threads by newly registered participants attempting to disrupt rather than contribute. The best way to keep this forum focused would be to have a 30 day waiting period where "newbies" are only allowed to post in a "newbie" thread.

If a newly registered poster has been a "long time lurker",  too bad. Because you might just be a sock puppet inculcating dissent. Or you are a hit and run investor hoping for "pump and dump" style profits and share not of the philosophical underpinnings of III.

Anyone who has been around this forum for months knows in their bones the utter integrity of the Bitshares team. You may not agree with all their decisions, but you know they are attempting to do the best they can for PTS and AGS holders and for the DAC ecosystem.

Some people have a need to tear things down rather than build things up. I personally don't understand that attitude, but hey, it takes all kinds. But it seems to me unwise to allow such people into the main threads until they have at least shown enough persistence to sit through a 30 day waiting period. Most will just gravitate to go on to badmouth other forums where little determination or creativity, and zero positive contribution, is required rather than undergo a 30 day period of learning and reflection.

Thank you for your genius speech ~ but actually some newbies are not real newbies, they may have been on this forum for long time like me.  i don't feel dissapointed since the first day i was with 3I. i have waited for over half a year and gradually lose some of the confidence (not all, but some, about 50% )     :)

i think BM works so hard, and he might be a very talented man, and i think BM is very nice person.  most team members seem to be good.

but it also seems that by now, 3I is not very successful and did not do a very good job that satisfy most people because you can see it through the AGS donation situation and the PTS price.

in recent months,  darkcoin,nxt, blackcoin , bitcoin price perform well, and that means most people satisfy about them
however, 3I is not good enough.

sometimes, Chinese people may express their love to someone by critizing them.

as an Chinese saying gose "scold is love"

Sorry, I did not express myself well enough because I was not referring to you. Your posting is very polite and expresses your concern without being too negative.

What I was trying to call attention to is the large number of newbies who on the first day they register and in their first post are expressing very negative opinions on different threads. I was hoping that these people could be held to posting only in the "newbie" section until they have been registered for 30 days because they are causing unnecessary FUD and dissension in the threads.

Some others have stated the opinion that this negativity may be deliberate to drive down the price of PTS just before the launching of the first DAC in order to buy in cheap now and then sell for a quick profit if prices skyrocket upon the pending release. And this is indeed a possiblity.

Is there any harm to confining a newcomer to posting only in the "newbie" section for 30 days while they read the history and become familiar with developments? If they are not sock puppets or manipulators deliberately spreading FUD, and they are indeed new to this forum, this will give them a chance to research and then speak from a greater knowledge base.

I think you are right about newbie part.

And i am quite worried about 3I right now. really worried. it seems that the perfectionism and low excution ability of this team may ruin the whole thing.

no products for over half a year. even a stable wallet?  a stable wallet without any market function!  Everytime when i think of this, i feel i am gonna cry.

And the whole team are still thinking about too many ideas which have no relation about releasing the first functional product- BTS XT.

That's why so many people are overacted yesterday.



 

Quote from: freedisk on June 23, 2014, 02:51:10 PM
今天好热闹啊，弱弱地问一句，在这种形式下，我还能成为土豪吗？ :)

基本没戏啦~

if time really goes back six months ago and we still have today's memory. all people would do the same as I do.  even a person who has strong confidence about 3I should do the same as I do, because the truth is in these six months, people who buy PTS\AGS lose money.  but people who buy Nxt, bc, dc make money.

if i bought them six months ago, i would not complain about NXT, BC, DC, because they help me make a fortune. why would i complain about them? most people complain about those who do not do a good job.

Of course, this is a meaningless question, because no one can predict the future and come back to the past.

now, i still hold a lot of PTS\AGS\BTS, i have never sold my PTS for once since i bought them. just ten days ago, i bought another 1000+ PTS.

but sitll we should admit that in these six months it is not a good investment. that's truth. maybe you are building a solid foundation in these six month for the boost one day and the market is wrong, but who knows?

I hope that one day there will be some real products which could really have a brilliant performance, and so you could give me a big slap and shut me up.  but at least now, i could only say, you might still have to hear some complains (i will try not to do it again, but you should also have a more tolerant attitude. because if you cannot make something which let the market satisfy, you would not stop listening to these words.)

第一，3I还不不至于是传销。只是产品做的慢，想法一天一变而已。

第二，利用传销的销售方法做市场，其实正是利用的传销的优势的地方。传销不好的地方在于他从一开始就是骗人的，根本无产品。但是传销的销售方法其实是好的。

第三，想事情要实际，所谓讨血汗钱。你要是能说服BM退钱当然可以，可是根本没有这样的可能。

所以我们能做的就是乐观，然后尽量正面宣传。大家冷静一下，我自己是重仓了3I。也希望他好，但是事情已经如此了，我们只能尽量唱多。也不是纵容，而是这是最好的办法。光抱怨也不会就能让你解套，也不能换来钱。

何况，3I其实还是有希望的，不然PTS现在早被抛成1分钱了。

of course no.

for these six months, 3I's performance sucks.

if given me another chanca and back to six month ago, of course i would invest all my money in nxt, blackcoin and darkcoin. their performance in these 6 months are the best.

but no one can predict the future or come back to the past.

今天BM一个帖子激起了大家激烈的反击。
我也感觉很郁闷。记得半年前，大家收到的消息应当是BTS会50% 50%分给PTS AGS持有者。正是这个消息刺激那几天PTS快速涨到130多元。
后来也有了2.28之前出现一天就有 5000多个PTS 投AGS的事件。
而现在，BTS 50% 50%的分发仅限于一条链 BTS xt, 而不是所有的BTS， 确实有点令人感觉不公平。

不过细想一下。这个方案也许对长期发展有好处，虽然具体我没想明白。 而且不公平的事情在所有的公司中都存在，大股东欺负小股东。
总之我认为现在最最重要的事情就是两个

第一，开发团队，集中精力搞代码。 我们要不断的发帖施压让他们快干活，给他们加油助威。懂代码的同学好好帮助他们找错误。
         只有产品出来了，我们才有可能翻本。

第二，作为我们每个人一定要收起眼泪，收起委屈，像个男人一样去战斗。现在我们能做的就是，拼命唱多。只有愿意看多3I的产品多起来，有人愿意进场，我们才有可能翻身。整天抱怨一点用没有。唱多，唱多，找更多的人来买。 如果大家能解套了，到时候大家在用脚投票。你可以选择或走或留。

如果现在抱怨太多，只能一影响开发团队的心情，出不了产品，二影响小白们对3I的看法，使得3I名声越来越差，最后无人愿意接盘。我们永远解不了套，翻不了身，赚不到钱。 最终的结果只能是你想跑也跑不掉，只能被套着。

Quote from: onceuponatime on June 23, 2014, 06:37:44 AM
There is far too much posting in the main threads by newly registered participants attempting to disrupt rather than contribute. The best way to keep this forum focused would be to have a 30 day waiting period where "newbies" are only allowed to post in a "newbie" thread.

If a newly registered poster has been a "long time lurker",  too bad. Because you might just be a sock puppet inculcating dissent. Or you are a hit and run investor hoping for "pump and dump" style profits and share not of the philosophical underpinnings of III.

Anyone who has been around this forum for months knows in their bones the utter integrity of the Bitshares team. You may not agree with all their decisions, but you know they are attempting to do the best they can for PTS and AGS holders and for the DAC ecosystem.

Some people have a need to tear things down rather than build things up. I personally don't understand that attitude, but hey, it takes all kinds. But it seems to me unwise to allow such people into the main threads until they have at least shown enough persistence to sit through a 30 day waiting period. Most will just gravitate to go on to badmouth other forums where little determination or creativity, and zero positive contribution, is required rather than undergo a 30 day period of learning and reflection.

Thank you for your genius speech ~ but actually some newbies are not real newbies, they may have been on this forum for long time like me.  i don't feel dissapointed since the first day i was with 3I. i have waited for over half a year and gradually lose some of the confidence (not all, but some, about 50% )     :)

i think BM works so hard, and he might be a very talented man, and i think BM is very nice person.  most team members seem to be good.

but it also seems that by now, 3I is not very successful and did not do a very good job that satisfy most people because you can see it through the AGS donation situation and the PTS price.

in recent months,  darkcoin,nxt, blackcoin , bitcoin price perform well, and that means most people satisfy about them
however, 3I is not good enough.

sometimes, Chinese people may express their love to someone by critizing them.

as an Chinese saying gose "scold is love"