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General Discussion / Airdrop - Food for thought.
« on: April 13, 2014, 12:44:27 pm »
+- A month ago, Auroracoin's high was $800 million. Today?... It's worth $1.3 million. - A 99.8% shareholder loss.

+- A month ago, Stan excitedly drew our attention to -

Have you guys noticed the theory behind SiliconValleyCoin?

They are doing a "helicopter air-drop" of their currency into certain "zip" mailing codes in Silicon Valley under the theory that it directs their shares into the hands of a demographic more likely to be good supporters of their currency.

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This coin is Premined 50%. Silicon Valley Coin will serve as a bridge between Silicon Valley innovation and the Crypto Community effectively by distributing our premined coins to certain zip codes surrounding the big tech companies of Silicon Valley. The distribution of our coins to these zip codes will commence on April 25, 2014.




+- A month ago, SiliconValleyCoin's high was $20 million. Today?... It's worth $4 417. (Also a 99.8% shareholder loss.)

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+- A month ago, Blackcoin was worth $250 000. With no airdrop and one clone-able new idea.  Today?... They just overtook Bitshares-PTS. (*BC is volatile and I don't expect it to hold just making a point.)



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8888 DAC

8888 numbers to choose from in a daily lottery.
88.88 BTC guaranteed prize pool!
100% payout! No fees!

@ Midnight ET daily!

(*Opening month promotion, 1% betting fees thereafter & the guaranteed prize pool may be reduced.)

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This is a daily lottery so it won't be in competition with the other.

IMO, a lottery DAC needs 2 elements.

1. Better odds
2. A lucrative prize pool

I think I've solved no. 2 with very little risk and think the 8888 DAC (which will receive 1% of all bets after month 1) will be worth 5000 BTC+ conservatively at the end of 30 days.

Thoughts

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General Discussion / Airdrop poll?
« on: April 11, 2014, 09:53:20 pm »
EDIT: NEW POLL PLEASE VOTE AGAIN (Now includes a 2 week half-life)

Also when answering, also bear in mind these would be airdrops of good Bitshares DAC's not some random clone coin with little potential.

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The first poll asked 'What minimum $ value would motivate you to claim your shares of an airdrop?"

The avg. of the results was $7.48 (There were 28 votes and the most popular was $10.)

(Just trying to get a general idea obviously it's a very small sample size)



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Record companies already have contracts in place with artists and have admin & accounting systems in place that manage and process various revenue streams (record & concerts sales, merchandising etc.) which are then partly distributed to the artist based on the contract terms. (The record companies are kept 'fairly' honest in this regard by auditors and because if they were cooking the books too much other artists wouldn't sign with them.)

While it's possible for investors to buy shares in some of these record labels if they are publicly listed, it's not really accessible for fans. It also hasn't been practical till now to issue shares for individual artists, albums or songs.

POS share systems change everything!

Record companies in agreement with their artists can now reduce their risk, raise capital & get fans interested & involved not just in consuming but marketing their artists too! 

The record company will issue a POS, with a contract attached, in which they agree to distribute X % of various revenue streams as dividends to the POS much the same way they already pay their artists.
(As I said the degree to which they are perceived to hold up the agreement will determine how willing fans/investors are to support future POS artists, albums and songs issued by said record label.)

This model will also have a big application in funding movies in the future too.

Personally I would recommend maybe contacting Hollywood Stock Exchange HSX.com as they have a nice interface and userbase already used to do something similar for fun. (If we work in combination we might be able to become the youtube/itunes of this space & require each new IPO distributes % share to Bitshares Music holders.)

Whether or not Bitshares gets involved here I can see quite clearly that this is the future. (For the benefits I mentioned, reduce risk, raise capital, and the completely new USP (which Bitshares Music already identified) of have invested fans actively marketing their favourite artists.)

(The benefit of this vs. existing Bitshares Music is this gives access to already established artists, multiple incl. offline revenue streams (Album Sales, concerts, merchandise) & companies who will establish a track record of honouring contracts across a range of offerings, not just a small share of a specific online revenue stream from largely unknown artists who will if successful have to sign with a centralised management/record label anyway. Plus the record labels already have a huge marketing machine in place that will be complimentary to the viral and network marketing the fans will be engaged in.)

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DAC PLAY / Lotto POS alt-coin idea
« on: March 28, 2014, 11:45:52 pm »
I had the idea in another thread of a lottery DAC that was a POS alt-coin but with 10% inflation. Where the inflation would be awarded to users in the form of lottery prizes. That way just owning shares would make you eligible for all lotteries and if the alt-coin was popular, then your shares would go up in value even if you never won.

I think people would like to own an 'alt-coin' that had daily prize draws? (Imagine instead of Bitcoin inflation going to miners there was $50 million in prizes awarded every month instead.)

Just wondering if anyone had feedback on the idea?
(obviously a major drawback is that you couldn't select specific numbers, each 'coin' would already have a number assigned to it.)


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General Discussion / Saxo bank CEO?
« on: March 20, 2014, 10:34:21 pm »
Just read the article on Coindesk about the Saxo bank CEO.

He's apparently libertarian leaning and fairly positive about Bitcoin.

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Christensen acknowledged he has not only bought bitcoins, but that his online investment company is currently exploring bitcoin’s potential use.

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“I thought what happened in Cyprus was a pretty shocking thing and probably an omen of what is to come more and more often in the future

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“I think there’s an opportunity there for banks that are early adopters. [...] The bitcoin community is fairly enthusiastic one, so I’m sure there’s some business to be won and some goodwill to be achieved, plus some interesting opportunities for other clients.”

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Saxo Bank offers customers the ability to trade 179 forex currency pairs, more than 2,500 investment funds and futures contracts in currencies, gold and oil, among other offerings.

http://www.coindesk.com/danish-investment-bank-owner-bitcoin-exploration/

The thing that interested me more, in terms of Bitshares though is that on Wikipedia I see,

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In January 2014, Saxo Bank launched a beta version of a transformed TradingFloor.com, a community portal re-launched into the first multi-asset social trading platform. The site, still in its testing phase, encourages users to share information, tips and strategies publicly and does not have a traditional chatroom function. The bank's founders said they want the site to make financial trading easily accessible to all and serve those who do not wish to engage with salespeople at banks. "We want to set free the peer-to-peer power of traders around the globe," they said in a joint statement.[55]


He understands the potential value of Bitcoin, he understand the risk of future bank deposit/investment confiscation, they've just launched a peer to peer, community trading portal.

I think Bitshares is exactly the kind of thing that may appeal to him. It is perhaps even an offering they could consider adding in some way to tradingfloor.com. It would also give their clients an opportunity to hold some of their funds, demominated in various bit-assets outside the traditional financial system which is something he seems to be open to.

Anyway, probably difficult to get in touch with but  I definitely think he is someone Bitshares could consider reaching out to.

In general I think trying to forge relationships at this stage with people who 'get it' in various sectors, will be very helpful to Bitshares.   

Edit: It might be more realistic to reach out to tradingfloor.com, getting them to cover an article on Bitshares and maybe do a poll might be something that would be positive for a 'peer to peer' focused community trading portal and Bitshares in terms of publicity and then from the results of that it could maybe be pushed higher on their radar.

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General Discussion / BitGold and gold in general side discussion...
« on: February 28, 2014, 04:03:23 pm »
I mentioned adding gold in the Bitshares update thread and suddenly had a few guys jumping in trying to claim that gold has about as much value as fiat currency  :o Or that it was immoral as it could be hoarded  :o

Anyway rather than derail the important BitsharesX update thread I thought I'd move the discussion over here.

The last response was this one...


Personally, I don't know why gold is relevant. I have never looked to the price of gold to value anything, especially not crypto currencies. The markets will work best when participants are most informed and the underlying asset isn't prone to its own instability. I obviously think that gold should be incorporated later, but as for the test chain the underlying assets should be those that ppl are most comfortable valuing. The ttest chain should also have as few assets as possible. One would suffice but it is very important to include the Chinese community

 +5%

Not only is gold a dumb currency, It's immoral.  People that hoard it and store it in the ground, instead of letting it contribute to society and life do so much destruction to otherwise possible life.  Every time I have to pump my car clutch in the morning, to get it to make a clean electrical connection (because it's too expensive to use gold in the switch) I cures the selfish bastards.

Immoral because people can hoard it?

1. By hoard you actually mean the fact that people can save it, and maintain their value without being forced into our current corrupt system. (Which right now is so bad, inflation is actually higher than the interest you'd get in most savings accounts.)

2. You know that also means your against Bitcoin? Bitcoin is a deflationary currency which lets people do the same thing.
The opposite is happening to your argument, the more people use Bitcoin the more it is spent not hoarded.
Also if you look at America from 1800-1913 they rose rapidly to become the most successful & biggest creditor nation in the world using gold. I don't think I need to explain to you how things are now pretty much the exact opposite now, a hundred years on in a world where the dollar has lost 96% of it's original value.

Introducing a central bank was bad enough but at least they had some link to gold.
Look what happened after the dollar left the gold standard completely.
Only one small group has ever benefited from fiat/inflationary currency...   



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General Discussion / Invictus crowdfunding POS template DAC
« on: February 24, 2014, 08:42:12 am »
The process of sending money to AGS then being issued a stake in Bitshares which can be traded plus also receive interest at some point is similar to the way people send money to crowdfunded business & are issued a stake in a new company which they hope to be able to trade and also maybe earn a dividend on at some point.

It seems that the AGS to Bitshares allocation model would work much better than the current crowdfunding model, allowing investors to trade their stakes in a transparent decentralised POS share system after the crowdfunding period is over and even receive dividends.

There was >5 $Billion raised through crowdfunding in 2013 the same year Cryptocurrency became a >5 $Billion business, why not join the two?

Invictus & AGS/PTS could get a stake in new companies they liked in exchange for providing & managing the POS template and bringing the crypto-community market to the crowdfunding market.

At the moment it seems only crypto-currency or related businesses have taken this approach but why shouldn't the next new exciting beverage/fashion/toy business be listed as a POS?

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MemoryCoin / How fast are Memorycoin transactions?
« on: January 20, 2014, 11:53:29 pm »
How long is the block time and what's the recommended number of confirmations to wait for?

Thanks!

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I've discovered a fatal technical flaw with MemoryCoin.

Mathematical Proof

1. Elephants never forget. Fact! - So elephant's don't need Memorycoin!

2. The biggest land animal in the world is an elephant. Fact!




Therefore the biggest market in the world won't use memorycoin!  :o

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General Discussion / Marketing Idea: Double Dip PTS to AGS days?
« on: January 09, 2014, 04:02:16 pm »
I think a lot of people incl. myself have written about the fact that the PTS price could be suffering because of the BTC to AGS fund for numerous reasons. (Of course it is a short term speed bump, if Bitshares proves successful - whether your PTS cost you $15/$25 will be pretty irrelevant.) However I believe this was an unintended consequence that can be easily addressed...

Double/Triple Dip PTS to AGS Days

It will decrease the issuance period slightly but if you do some provably random thing each morning that has a 1/7 chance of hitting, where if it 'hits' then that day will be a double/triple dip PTS to AGS day. (So instead of the usual 5000 AGS awarded that day there will be 10/15000 in the PTS to AGS fund)

Why: A random double/triple dip promotion specifically for the PTS to AGS fund will be a great marketing hook for Bitshares to create excitement, demand & daily interest for AGS over the relatively long issuance period. While at the same time encouraging holders of PTS not to sell and encourage new investors to dip their toe into PTS, while having very little negative impact on the BTC to AGS fund.

I also think people who are interested in Bitshares-AGS will be encouraged if they see Bitshares-Protoshares rising in value as opposed to dropping 35%+ in the first week of the new year.

Thoughts?




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General Discussion / Is Bitshares worse for crypto than Comex is for gold?
« on: November 26, 2013, 05:02:10 pm »
Hi, I woke up in a cold sweat last night, as I said in a previous post I'm a newbie to bitshares, can you please explain how my following train of thought is wrong...

People take the price for gold from the Comex which we all know is a scam because Comex owns and trades very little of the underlying asset, gold. It allows nefarious actors to manipulate and suppress the gold price by taking massive Comex short positions even though in the real world they would have no hope of getting enough of the underlying to cover that position.

So how did the 'Majority' become dumb enough to trust the Comex price? Is it the same way they may become dumb enough to trust the Bitshares price?

Right now as a Bitshares video points out, BTC's value is different on all exchanges, depending on many factors. So it would be very useful if there a way to derive a true decentralized value for BTC? Wallah! Bitshares!

At first Bitshares will give an accurate price for BTC that reflects available information, so in a short time people will start to trust that the best idea of BTC price is derived from bitshares and not from a particular centralized exchange.

However people are taking long/short positions on BTC via bitshares without owning the underlying BTC?  So pretty soon nefarious actors, (Gov and traditional banks) will be able to influence and suppress the BTC price by taking massive positions. And by then even if the core BTC community knows the bitshare price is a sham (like Comex) there will be enough mainstream BTC adopters that still believe bitshares is a fair reflection of available BTC information.

Should we be praying for the future of cryptos and humanity that bitshares fails spectacularly?
  :-\

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General Discussion / Might Bitusd trade at a discount to real USD?
« on: November 26, 2013, 04:55:34 am »
Hi newbie here, I didn't grasp all the information regarding bitshares so apologies if the following doesn't make sense...

As you mentioned in one of your videos, all BTC are not equal, the value of the BTC on different exchanges can vary based on things like the perceived riskiness of the exchange & expected time delay for receiving fiat.

Is it possible that Bitusd will trade at a slight discount to a real USD? Because in order to make a bitusd into a real USD you will still have to go through an exchange. So even though that is not the purpose of your exchange,  I think the market will price in the avg. fees, risks and time delay associated with changing a bitusd to real USD?

As also won't the biggest market for bitusd be real world merchants (or companies that service those merchants)?
Right now most merchants don't want to sell for BTC because they don't want to be exposed to the volatility but they may happily sell for Bitusd because then they can capture the BTC market without BTC volatility risk but only if the bitusd price reflects the costs to them of changing Bitusd into real USD. (Unless service companies can deposit real $ into merchants accounts in exchange for Bitusd for less than a 2.5% service charge, then I guess they BitUsd could = Real Usd if merchants are the ones willing to take the fee in exchange for access to the crypto-market the way they currently do with credit cards.)

Edit: I guess bitpay already offers the above service/market to merchants.

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