+5%  great thing

Quote from: noisy on November 24, 2015, 12:07:45 AM
@bytemaster: is this means, that bitshares will be truly open, and now I will be able to legally create my own blockchain based on graphene code? :)

I think  everyone can fork any open code  as bitcoin, nxt , but it is different to success ,  like NXT ,there are many alt-coin base on NXT, but many of them are disappear.

Quote from: donkeypong on November 24, 2015, 05:58:17 AM

Quote from: BunkerChain Labs on November 24, 2015, 05:38:16 AM
The community has to revive its value proposition in order for this to work. If the value of the community doesn't equal what is expected out of some kind of share, then it doesn't make sense. When the 'community' numbers in the millions.. then you have something to bargain with.. otherwise you are asking a business to give up something for essentially nothing.. in their estimation anyways. They can just go ahead without sharedrop and the consequences of the community not supporting wouldn't even register.

Ye of little faith. Expect and demand it, that's what we should do. They can be on our good side or our bad side. We have that power now and it will only grow with more users and a larger community.

That's pretty much what I was saying.. the power we have now though is like a 10 lumen LED :) ... sure it's power.. but when we are up to 300k lumen floods.. then its noticeable... and powerful.

I would caution the expect and demanding though.. that could very quickly come across the wrong way. The whole idea of the social consensus was just that.. social.. demanding it is not very social.. neither is expecting. We can very fairly offer it.. and if the offering is accepted willingly and with joy.. then great. I am say though that they will look at it just like I said already and see that they are the losers in that deal and will not be so excited about it. Those that don't simply don't get our unique brand of support. I just hope what follows that doesn't lead to others not even wanting to engage us.

Quote from: BunkerChain Labs on November 24, 2015, 05:38:16 AM
The community has to revive its value proposition in order for this to work. If the value of the community doesn't equal what is expected out of some kind of share, then it doesn't make sense. When the 'community' numbers in the millions.. then you have something to bargain with.. otherwise you are asking a business to give up something for essentially nothing.. in their estimation anyways. They can just go ahead without sharedrop and the consequences of the community not supporting wouldn't even register.

Ye of little faith. Expect and demand it, that's what we should do. They can be on our good side or our bad side. We have that power now and it will only grow with more users and a larger community.

Quote from: tonyk on November 24, 2015, 12:45:53 AM
Actually I am kind of a fan of a step less than that [It very well be my conservative thinking; or inability to see things as liberal as most here]

But free to everything BTS related should have been enough. I really do not want other chains (MUSE, PLAY, player X) getting the stuff that BTS holders paid for, for free.

If you want it - make yourself a DAPP on BTS, or pay to CNX or whoever developed that particular feature. The idea it to generally prevent even the thought of milk-cowing BTS, passing through anybody's mind.


Anyway, definitely better than the current state, in my view.

I agree.
and I'm not sure why everyone else celebrates :).
This is good for CNX business and other potentialy competing chains they will work for  but may not be so good for BTS holders. Anyone heard of rootstock, bitcoin ethereum sidechain coming in December ?
Anyone can take graphene code and create a sidechain where all bitasets are backed by BTC.
Goodbye BTS chain then.Without social consensus rule of sharedroping, I do not see is as a good thing.
ANd anyone remebers  CNX promises that they will not allow directly competing chains ?
What happened to that ?

I suggest to licence it as BSD with the social consensus rule that every new chain has to be
approved by voting of   of comitte members same way as worker proposals are ....
The success of voting would depend on the percentge of sharedrop and other conditions.

At any rate, why so rush now. It can be BSD licenced any time, but it can never be taken back
if it turns out to be a bad decision.

Quote from: donkeypong on November 24, 2015, 05:15:19 AM

Quote from: roadscape on November 24, 2015, 12:59:58 AM

Quote from: tonyk on November 24, 2015, 12:45:53 AM
Actually I am kind of a fan of a step less than that [It very well be my conservative thinking; or inability to see things as liberal as most here]

But free to everything BTS related should have been enough. I really do not want other chains (MUSE, PLAY, player X) getting the stuff that BTS holders paid for, for free.

If you want it - make yourself a DAPP on BTS, or pay to CNX or whoever developed that particular feature. The idea it to generally prevent even the thought of milk-cowing BTS, passing anybody's mind.


Anyway, definitely better than the current state, in my view.

+5%

Yes, well done.. definitely better.. BUT, while BTS is still trying to figure out it's business model, maybe we should be a little more conservative. I'm concerned about fragmentation of the network effect, and to some extent leeching, as tonyk mentioned.

Just revive the Social Consensus. Why am I the only poster who brings that up anymore? Look back over the last six months on this forum and I'll bet the last six posts on the Social Consensus have all been mine. Between licensing and stealing something for free lies the community's expectation that anyone using this technology will sharedrop a small percentage. If they don't, we blackball them rather than inviting them to Beyond Bitcoin. If they do honor the Social Consensus, then they have the full weight of this community behind their product. I think it's a great notion and I believe we should expect that of everyone using this technology (the development of which this community has supported technologically, financially, and morally).

The community has to revive its value proposition in order for this to work. If the value of the community doesn't equal what is expected out of some kind of share, then it doesn't make sense. When the 'community' numbers in the millions.. then you have something to bargain with.. otherwise you are asking a business to give up something for essentially nothing.. in their estimation anyways. They can just go ahead without sharedrop and the consequences of the community not supporting wouldn't even register.

Quote from: donkeypong on November 24, 2015, 05:15:19 AM

Quote from: roadscape on November 24, 2015, 12:59:58 AM

Quote from: tonyk on November 24, 2015, 12:45:53 AM
Actually I am kind of a fan of a step less than that [It very well be my conservative thinking; or inability to see things as liberal as most here]

But free to everything BTS related should have been enough. I really do not want other chains (MUSE, PLAY, player X) getting the stuff that BTS holders paid for, for free.

If you want it - make yourself a DAPP on BTS, or pay to CNX or whoever developed that particular feature. The idea it to generally prevent even the thought of milk-cowing BTS, passing anybody's mind.


Anyway, definitely better than the current state, in my view.

+5%

Yes, well done.. definitely better.. BUT, while BTS is still trying to figure out it's business model, maybe we should be a little more conservative. I'm concerned about fragmentation of the network effect, and to some extent leeching, as tonyk mentioned.

Just revive the Social Consensus. Why am I the only poster who brings that up anymore? Look back over the last six months on this forum and I'll bet the last six posts on the Social Consensus have all been mine. Between licensing and stealing something for free lies the community's expectation that anyone using this technology will sharedrop a small percentage. If they don't, we blackball them rather than inviting them to Beyond Bitcoin. If they do honor the Social Consensus, then they have the full weight of this community behind their product. I think it's a great notion and I believe we should expect that of everyone using this technology (the development of which this community has supported technologically, financially, and morally).

+5% Makes sense.

Quote from: roadscape on November 24, 2015, 12:59:58 AM

Quote from: tonyk on November 24, 2015, 12:45:53 AM
Actually I am kind of a fan of a step less than that [It very well be my conservative thinking; or inability to see things as liberal as most here]

But free to everything BTS related should have been enough. I really do not want other chains (MUSE, PLAY, player X) getting the stuff that BTS holders paid for, for free.

If you want it - make yourself a DAPP on BTS, or pay to CNX or whoever developed that particular feature. The idea it to generally prevent even the thought of milk-cowing BTS, passing anybody's mind.


Anyway, definitely better than the current state, in my view.

+5%

Yes, well done.. definitely better.. BUT, while BTS is still trying to figure out it's business model, maybe we should be a little more conservative. I'm concerned about fragmentation of the network effect, and to some extent leeching, as tonyk mentioned.

Just revive the Social Consensus. Why am I the only poster who brings that up anymore? Look back over the last six months on this forum and I'll bet the last six posts on the Social Consensus have all been mine. Between licensing and stealing something for free lies the community's expectation that anyone using this technology will sharedrop a small percentage. If they don't, we blackball them rather than inviting them to Beyond Bitcoin. If they do honor the Social Consensus, then they have the full weight of this community behind their product. I think it's a great notion and I believe we should expect that of everyone using this technology (the development of which this community has supported technologically, financially, and morally).

Hey Tuck Fheman, here are the results of your tips...

• bytemaster: has been credited 1 GREATIDEA
• bytemaster: has been credited 1 FISTBUMP
• bytemaster: has been credited 1 HIGHFIVE
• bytemaster: Insufficient funds for asset 1.3.673

Quote from: tonyk on November 24, 2015, 12:45:53 AM
Actually I am kind of a fan of a step less than that [It very well be my conservative thinking; or inability to see things as liberal as most here]

But free to everything BTS related should have been enough. I really do not want other chains (MUSE, PLAY, player X) getting the stuff that BTS holders paid for, for free.

If you want it - make yourself a DAPP on BTS, or pay to CNX or whoever developed that particular feature. The idea it to generally prevent even the thought of milk-cowing BTS, passing anybody's mind.


Anyway, definitely better than the current state, in my view.

+5%

Yes, well done.. definitely better.. BUT, while BTS is still trying to figure out it's business model, maybe we should be a little more conservative. I'm concerned about fragmentation of the network effect, and to some extent leeching, as tonyk mentioned.

That concern is only for the (c++) core... as for BSD'ing the GUI... Excellent!! Thank you!!

edit:

I've realized that open-sourcing everything is simply the right thing to do. Good move.

just FYI, issue about that on github: https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/issues/447

Actually I am kind of a fan of a step less than that [It very well be my conservative thinking; or inability to see things as liberal as most here]

But free to everything BTS related should have been enough. I really do not want other chains (MUSE, PLAY, player X) getting the stuff that BTS holders paid for, for free.

If you want it - make yourself a DAPP on BTS, or pay to CNX or whoever developed that particular feature. The idea it to generally prevent even the thought of milk-cowing BTS, passing through anybody's mind.


Anyway, definitely better than the current state, in my view.

@bytemaster: is this means, that bitshares will be truly open, and now I will be able to legally create my own blockchain based on graphene code? :)

Just wow. Thank you cryptonomex for being the most honourable, hardworking, innovative bunch I've ever had the good fortune to share a community with. Happy Thanksgiving