WeTube DAC - decentralized media provider - the future YouTube

[liberman]

Forks will happen. It happened to Bitcoin, it will happen to Bitshares, it will happen to WeTube.

No way that serius programmers will get involved in anything just by offering mining. Bytemaster knows this very well.

Anyway, WeTube will have the equivalent of mining, but money will come from sharing bandwidth. Difficulty will be very low the first week, so for sharing many medias just the first day the alpha comes out, you the investor can earn a lot of coins. This will motivate people to enter very fast in the network and spread the word.
I predict the first week WeTube will be released, we will be in the news and in thousands of blogs very quickly. It will be really explosive.

I can open a private github account only for the protocol, and release the working source just the day before. Only protocol implementors will have access to this source code.

[devilfish]

Sure DAC's require constant maintenance, but in theory you don't require a constant team to keep maintaining it because the source code is freely available so if someone finds a way to improve the source code they can do so then either merge it with the current project, no doubt buying shares before they announce the fix/upgrade expecting that it will add value to the DAC. The fix is then either accepted or rejected by the community of shareholders who put forward the arguments for and against it which basically amount to "Will this make more or less money". If it is thought it will make more the code merger is accepted and in theory the price goes up and that coder makes money if the price rises and they sell or they hold onto the shares and wait for dividend payments. If the community rejects the code merge the coder can at that point decide to create a new DAC which honours the original DAC (if they didn't do this then they probably won't get any support unless their idea is far greater then the original DAC's) in a method of their choosing and implement the fix. If the fix is a good idea, people will leave the original DAC see'ing that the new DAC is capable of making much more money, otherwise if the community still see it doesn't work then they will reject the new DAC and it will disappear and the coder will have made a loss.

How do you know in advance how much worker each programmer will be doing that makes you think you can pay them in shares initially and they'll continue to do the same amount of work? How exactly will the pie be broken up between developers without there being a whole bunch of fighting about who did what?

As far as I can tell the best way to approach paying coders for the initial groundwork code of a DAC is via the float of an "idea currency" ala ProtoShares for Invictus, the idea either gains value (like PTS) or dies in the water. If it people speculate that it's a good idea you now have a significant community group and capital assuming you either mined initially or purchased shares at a low price. You and other like mined individuals need to identify ways to actually implement the goals of the DAC, breaking up the concepts as much as possible for the release of the ultimate service providing DAC. Then you can, using the capital at hand from "idea currency" set bounties (paid in anything but shares for this particular DAC) for each of these broken down goals, with each being broken down such that they could not be used on their own to operate the DAC and these coders are left in the dark as much as possible as to what the overall project they are working on is so they cannot be held liable for the product they've produced.

If you centralise the development team you also have a group of people dictating where exactly the project is going so what's to say one day they reject a really good idea because they don't like the individual that proposed it?

I could go on and on...

[bytemaster]

Even still you will have a core group of people with financial connections and intimate knowledge of the the operations of the DAC. With a media DAC that can publish anything, it won't take long for those people to be contacted by people who's copyright will no doubt be infringed by this DAC demanding some answers. Therefore what will be the motivation to take stock in such a project that will quite probably result in everyone who worked in the project losing their stocks and another community just cloning the code and redistributing the ownership in a fashion that won't result in the aforementioned scenario?

Momentum, first mover advantage, network effect.   Assuming the developers do not award themselves an objectionable percentage people will be loyal to the core developers.  DACs require constant maintenance.

[devilfish]

Even still you will have a core group of people with financial connections and intimate knowledge of the the operations of the DAC. With a media DAC that can publish anything, it won't take long for those people to be contacted by people who's copyright will no doubt be infringed by this DAC demanding some answers. Therefore what will be the motivation to take stock in such a project that will quite probably result in everyone who worked in the project losing their stocks and another community just cloning the code and redistributing the ownership in a fashion that won't result in the aforementioned scenario?

[bytemaster]

Development funds would hire marketers not just coders.  If enough funds were raised it would be hard for competing marketers to achieve the same result


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[devilfish]

I've read your additions to your white paper. I strongly disagree with the proposals relating to paying all shares to the coders, you even say that it's not centralised so why do you think that you can call your model decentralised?

The fact is a project needs more then just software developers to be successful. Some savvy marketing guys with deep pockets will just sit back, wait for the code to be made then clone it on release and market it using their skills. Even if you have the coding world on your side that this is an injustice (which it wouldn't because you stared with a centralised method) the fact is they probably won't be capable of winning over the general public because coders aren't in that business (especially the kind that get projects done).

Prove me wrong though and don't take that the wrong way because I want to see this idea work.

[liberman]

Interesting, bytemaster.
But I think the problem with your original idea is about the people donating to the network.
This is different, as we are a truly substitute for Youtube. Free for users, but paid by advertisers.

I suggest you use micropayments. Then you don't need advertisers.

Please, elaborate.

Micropayments can be set so that every time we visit the site it extracts 0.0001 Bitcoin per minute. So you can do stuff like charge by the amount of time viewing a video. You can also do pay per view and charge per viewing a fee. I think not everyone wants ads and people need a reason to spend their various coins.

Why have cryptocurrencies if we aren't going to use them for stuff like this? It's divisible so why not exploit the fact that you can do stuff that YouTube cannot do? If you just play into YouTube's strengths you will lose. You will never match the advertisers of YouTube but with micropayments you don't need to. It's like the difference between Cable TV and regular TV.

Thank you for your ideas.
We are thinking ways to make the system free for general use while allowing servers, artists and moderators to win money. More info will come the next days.

[luckybit]

Interesting, bytemaster.
But I think the problem with your original idea is about the people donating to the network.
This is different, as we are a truly substitute for Youtube. Free for users, but paid by advertisers.

I suggest you use micropayments. Then you don't need advertisers.

Please, elaborate.

Micropayments can be set so that every time we visit the site it extracts 0.0001 Bitcoin per minute. So you can do stuff like charge by the amount of time viewing a video. You can also do pay per view and charge per viewing a fee. I think not everyone wants ads and people need a reason to spend their various coins.

Why have cryptocurrencies if we aren't going to use them for stuff like this? It's divisible so why not exploit the fact that you can do stuff that YouTube cannot do? If you just play into YouTube's strengths you will lose. You will never match the advertisers of YouTube but with micropayments you don't need to. It's like the difference between Cable TV and regular TV.

[liberman]

The rise of privacy

Privacy is a big problem today. Corporations and goverments keep track of everything yo do, and use the information they collect from you to make a profile of your personality that they then use to impose certain things and make decisions.

People tend to think that the information they collect from them is just for advertising purposes, but that is only a tiny part. And I will put some examples:

The main target are libertarians, anarcho-socialist, anti-capitalists, anarcho-captitalists, comunists, people aware of their rights as citicens, artists, media distributors (incorrectly named “hackers”), protestors, open source activicts, many minorities, people protesting against goverments regulations, people protesting against monopolies, scientifics out of the status-quo, and more. In a sense: people who embrace freedom, wether they are from the left or the right.

Wars are used as an excuse to impose vigilance and coercion against the people. Actual corporations want to earn money, yes, but the point is that, meanwhile, they are a tool to impose censorship and control. Any good company who is worried about their clients privacy is ussually forced to give all the information they gather to goverment agencies. And this is happening in most countries, some more than others.

But we belive in freedom and self-responsability. And privacy is vital at this point, because we must protect ourselves against censorship. It doesn't matter what you have to say, what are your ideas, if you can't spare them.

Important is also your economic privacy. Remember that most media providers requires you to give your credit card number in order to start downloading media, even if it is free media. iTunes and Google Play are examples. When you give your credit card to them, not only are you de-facto telling them who you are exactly, but you are telling banks and therefore goverment agencies what are you doing with your money. This is a very strong form of coercion to artits too, because that implies that only artits aproved by them can reach a sufficent audence to make a life.

So we embrace Bitcoin and derivatives for the economic parts of WeTube, because it allows anonymous and non-coercible transactions.

More importantly, we base our identity parts in Keyhotee, that has an impresive list of privacy and security features, including the posibility to register any nick in a completely distributed network, not owned by anybody, and therefore out of the information collectors. This is the only way today to obtain real private anonymous IDs.

Of course, we also protect your IP. Even if you need an internet connection to connect to WeTube, in the very moment you enter into it, your privacy is guarantied because all data travels encripted and completely distributed. So the only thing that a man in the middle can see is that you are connected to WeTube, but cannot know what are you truly doing.

But what about criminals? Couldn't they have inpunity in this system?

They can't have inpunity because this is a moderated system. Criminal activites sould be inmediatly rejected by most moderators. Illegalities could also be cut-off.

Yes, they could still broadcast media to the unmoderated area, but that area will be mostly ignored by normal people.

We believe that if you try to censor terrorists or psicopaths, the only thing you will obtain is a stronger response from those groups, and motivate them to use actual physical forces. Most moderators and users do understand that the best they can do is ignore criminals, or even better: create content that severely expose their badness and identities by investigations.

Also, we should consider that most people are actually good people and don't like violence. Most of the biggest threads to humanity did precisally came from wars and false-flag actions, of course motivated by the dark sides of goverments and bankers.

[liberman]

Interesting, bytemaster.
But I think the problem with your original idea is about the people donating to the network.
This is different, as we are a truly substitute for Youtube. Free for users, but paid by advertisers.

I suggest you use micropayments. Then you don't need advertisers.

Please, elaborate.

[luckybit]

Interesting, bytemaster.
But I think the problem with your original idea is about the people donating to the network.
This is different, as we are a truly substitute for Youtube. Free for users, but paid by advertisers.

I suggest you use micropayments. Then you don't need advertisers.

[bytemaster]

I hope you can make this happen

I hope too!
I continue to write the paper, sorry about my non-native english!
Would you help us?

The first thing we need is to design a demo interface, but then we must implement all the protocols, including Keyhotee, in JS.

I am stretched a little thin for the time being.  I will provide economic insight based upon what I have learned in DAC design and Tornet.

[liberman]

I hope you can make this happen

I hope too!
I continue to write the paper, sorry about my non-native english!
Would you help us?

The first thing we need is to design a demo interface, but then we must implement all the protocols, including Keyhotee, in JS.

[bytemaster]

I hope you can make this happen

[liberman]

The three pillars of WeTube: freedom, privacy, voluntary moderation

Imagine a web page where you can upload any video, music, image or document, and it will be inmediatly avaiable to everybody without restrictions, without anybody knowing who you are (if you want), without anybody censoring you.

Imagine a web page where you can access any media you want without anybody having to know what are you doing, not being imposed to authenticate with your real ID, IP, or associated credit card number, not being observed by the big brother, and at the same time the content you access is of high quality and helpful for your evolution and relationships.

Imagine you are a publisher, a periodist or an editor, and there is a place where you can safetly publish your discoverings, but without any censorship at all, while at the same time you are able to get rid of the junk and noise around you, providing only good quality researches and associations with you audence.

Imagine you are an artist that lives for and from your art, and you have a free place where you can express your ideas and concepts, participate in comunity with your followers and other artists, and even earn the money you deserve for your hard work, without imposing others and not having to pay big comissions to any private editor or distributor, nor having to support their greed and censorships.

Imagine a media where you can get rid of the junk so easy as doing a click. Imagine being your own moderator, where you can select what is good and bad for yourself and your family, without having to surrender yourself to what other has decided, specially when that other is trying to impose you a vision you don't agree with.

Imagine a place where you can choose multiple moderators, including yourself or no moderators at all, being them people and organizations you really trust, and the posibility to add or remove them without restriction. Imagine how good a free moderator could be if their motivation is to serve only what people want while removing what they don't, not what a big guy on top of him/her decides. Moderators with big impositions and bad appliance of filters would be rapidly abandoned by the comunity, and their reputation disminished.

Imagine that the media you see is temporaly stored on your computer so you can see it multiple times without having to reload it. Imagine that the content you like most is permanently stored on your computer so if you lost your internet connection you can still access it. Imagine a safeguard of all the important media you have in case of media server shutdowns, human crisis, war, or goverment censorship. You don't have that in today's standard media providers, as they prohibit you to store the content. Even companies like Google prohibits the publishing of browsers add-ons that use a trick to record the media, making YouTube videos very difficult to get stored locally with the Chrome browser.

Imagine that you are a legit enterpreneur and have a useful and good business that you need to promote. The audence of this new media provider will be large and a real oportunity for you to come in. Every single area of business you can think of is covered, and you'll be able to perfectly select the categories you want to be in. Even better is the fact that advertisers can select to what moderation they want to be attached, so you can perfectly choose moderators who provide legal only content in your country.

Imagine that you are a programmer and/or a system administrator and you want your deserved reward for your hard work while being useful to humanity. You can host a server and earn bitcoins proportional to the amount of bandwith, space and maintence you serve. At the same time, the protocol is specially designed to protect you against the arbitrarian laws, as you can select which moderators you're going to serve, and therefore, the content your server helps the user to download. But not even that, most of the contents are actually not stored in your servers, but interchanged between users alone, making this protocol a really distributed anonymous one. We even optionally protect your IP with a technology similar to hidden Tor services if you want to serve delicate searches, at only the cost of some added latency. You are a crucial part of this revolution.

Is this another moderated system?

Yes and no. It is moderated in the sense that oneself can be the moderator, or relay the task to a trusted moderator or a group of moderators. The magic of this system is that it allows full freedom, while maintaing the convenience of good-quality results and potential legality, as explained bellow.

First things first. In WeTube, there is a root moderator called “unmoderator” which acepts everything and cannot be violated in any form. This moderator resides in no place and all its content is purely in the cloud of users. Not a single part of this moderator content and searches resides in any server, except if the server administrator decides so, which s/he must explicitly configure to. This moderator fullfils freedom and zero discrimination, which unfortunately includes low quality results and potentially some illegal content in some countries.

You can compare this unmoderator with raw eMule, Tor hidden services, Gnutella, Kademlia, and other p2p protocols offering searches and/or magnet links. One who has used those programs knows that the results are more often than not of very low quality, when not ilegit or honeypots. But yet, people use those programs because of censorships and copyright issues in their countries, so they accept the junk in favor to obtain some valuable content.

That drives us to a problem: because no moderation is taken place, both the quality and legality of the content is disminished, and most people don't use them because of that.

So, what to do? We dont want to be illegal, and at the same time we want full access to quality content which is censored in central mainstream medias. We also want privacy, one thing wich we don't have today unless we use very complicated technology.

The point here is: you can't have legallity and good quality content in an unmoderated system. After a while, the system will be full of junk and legally dungerous staff.

So we introduce moderators. But let the thing be WELL done. We choose to be OUR OWN moderators. Certainly not a good thing for opressive business and goverments, who want to be the only one moderators (we should call them opressive censorers, or just fascists), but still a good thing for goverments and enterpreneus who embrace freedom and really take care of their citicens/clients.

When a user enters in the WeTube network, s/he is ussually attached to a moderator which only censors things which are not relevant to the theme s/he is attached to. For example, one moderator can specialize only on providing news, throwing out the rest. Another moderator could provide a good collection of music of a specific style. There could be also more general moderators which only accepts everything which is legal in his/her country. And there could be another interesting type of moderator which accept content which is censored in his/her country, but that content is globally considered good in the rest of the world, making him/herself an activist pro human rights against dictatorships.

A user of WeTube allways can choose whose moderators s/he wants. He is presented with a default, which is usually a group of moderators which keeps things legal. But s/he can allways choose to exit that moderation, or combine with others. Yes, multiple moderators are allowed, but interesting enough, the system allows also to be attached only to “unmoderated” (moderators themselves enter in this mode to pick good staff througout filtering).

Anyone can be a moderator and no personal information is required. Just register a nick and go to the moderation area, and there you got it.

Now it is time to introduce the concept of WeTube entry points:

The entrance to the world of WeTube

The p2p programs are a problem in themselves. They require the user to install an application in their computers and configure things. The learning curve is also ussually high, and passing links to another person is complicate because requires both sides to have the program installed and configured. Another important problem is that those programs are not really real-time, so the user must wait for the entire media to download in order to start watching it, which is extremely slow and inconvenient.

So we propose a very nice solution: WeTube can run in your browser and in your mobile device, so you can pass links around, use a nice interface, embed videos in your blogs, send by email, and do with the content all the things you can actually do with with any page.

But, because WeTube is in fact a p2p protocol, with thousands of servers and users connected to it and making it run, the web is only one of the possible interfaces. As a protocol, it can run on webpages, but also in the form of applications which uses the WeTube libraries to present themselves in other convinient forms. Desktop applications and mobile applications are perfectly posible.

The average user will use a simple web interface as his/her entry point. Many WeTube servers will also provide an entry point that will download the JavaScript program that runs in the browser, which is in fact the interface for WeTube. Optionaly, every entry point to WeTube can choose their default moderators, and even disallow the users to select moderators which provide illegal material, just to avoid legal issues. Of course, in this case, the user can change the entry point for another less restricted that allows more moderators, or simply download a full-featured browser extension with unlimited access.

The matter of allowing entry points to be fully moderated has many advantages:

- The site itself can avoid legal issues.
- A site that is meant to provide content for just one specific area, for example, news or scientifics, can filter the rest out.
-A site with content only allowed for childs, could be considered safe and can provide only useful and educative content for them, filtering out violence or sex, and also boring things.

Those sites are also a way to promote WeTube itself.