Author Topic: BitShares needs a professional SEO/SEP Delegate... oh, and WHALES.  (Read 21564 times)

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Marketing delegates have never been paid (funds went toward advertising costs) which is why they all burned out. marketing.methodx is not controlled by me anymore and as far as I know the funds are being used to provide liquidity for metaexchange.

This is unacceptable! Who the hell is accountable for the funds the marketing.methodx is generating?

When did delegates become transferable? It's one thing to transfer in the manor DSN assumed the minebitshares operation, totally above board, advertised and no mystery about who is accountable.

But when your name is used, it can be very deceptive, whether intended to be or not.

DPoS will certainly fail if one's actions are severed from accountability to them. It's tantamount to a proxy but nobody knows who controls it.

Lets polish up our best looking, most charismatic, smooth talking delegate to tell people what they want to hear, get huge support (the bait), get voted into the 101, then switch ownership / control to Mr. Wizard behind the curtain and take a luxurious cruise around the world.

NOT SAYING that is what methodX did, but like I DID SAY, who is now controlling the marketing.methodx funds? This is one problem when duties are split between the technical workers that actually control the delegate node and the figurehead or point man that is intended to be the recipient of the delegate funds.

It begs the question, who are the actual delegates controlling the software? Is it the person or team the shareholders think it is?

Yeah, this may be a moot point when (if?) the new delegate system is rolled out, ASSUMING we all know who we're voting for. BM has said the transition will be essentially a non-event, but it shouldn't be trivialized IMO, due in part to transfer scenarios like this. All delegates must be accountable to shareholders.

Now that I've heard straight from methodX, I am no longer going to support that delegate, whoever it's controlled by.


Tried to edit the document to the best of my knowledge....substantially did the following actions in []:

Forum Name - Responsibilities - [approved/added/edited]

Stan    -   Posting pictures of puppies - [approved]

Methodx   -   Promised great Marketing; Threw some funds in the Deep Web; metaexchange uses the funds as it finds fit till further notice. [edited/ added]

media.bitscape   -   Mainly spending BTS delegate pay on traveling for fun! [added]

provisional.bitscape   -   Keeping company of media.bitscape on his vacations! [added]
« Last Edit: May 13, 2015, 02:11:35 am by tonyk2 »

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Marketing delegates have never been paid (funds went toward advertising costs) which is why they all burned out. marketing.methodx is not controlled by me anymore and as far as I know the funds are being used to provide liquidity for metaexchange.

This is unacceptable! Who the hell is accountable for the funds the marketing.methodx is generating?

When did delegates become transferable? It's one thing to transfer in the manor DSN assumed the minebitshares operation, totally above board, advertised and no mystery about who is accountable.

But when your name is used, it can be very deceptive, whether intended to be or not.

DPoS will certainly fail if one's actions are severed from accountability to them. It's tantamount to a proxy but nobody knows who controls it.

Lets polish up our best looking, most charismatic, smooth talking delegate to tell people what they want to hear, get huge support (the bait), get voted into the 101, then switch ownership / control to Mr. Wizard behind the curtain and take a luxurious cruise around the world.

NOT SAYING that is what methodX did, but like I DID SAY, who is now controlling the marketing.methodx funds? This is one problem when duties are split between the technical workers that actually control the delegate node and the figurehead or point man that is intended to be the recipient of the delegate funds.

It begs the question, who are the actual delegates controlling the software? Is it the person or team the shareholders think it is?

Yeah, this may be a moot point when (if?) the new delegate system is rolled out, ASSUMING we all know who we're voting for. BM has said the transition will be essentially a non-event, but it shouldn't be trivialized IMO, due in part to transfer scenarios like this. All delegates must be accountable to shareholders.

Now that I've heard straight from methodX, I am no longer going to support that delegate, whoever it's controlled by.
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For this, we should have like Ken suggested, a table of all 101 delegates, links to their proposals and updates and what each one of them is up to.

You're right on the money Akado.
 
I got started on the Roster this morning too (like I've got nothing better to do).
An accountability roster: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hh8jgvruJmWm4UDRJSSdz3rUqBDDEQWfjzMwJUI3z1o/edit#gid=0
I'll add more names to it in the coming days.

Something along these lines might already be in the works. Just sayin...it's possible.
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Dude, don't make him lie anymore. He now has to come up with 16 more issues that have been resolved besides a functioning user friendly decentralized blockchain exchange.

Stan is he Rush Limbaugh of Bitshares. So full of s#|*, hot air and himself. He just posts stuff to see himself post stuff.

Newmine, your vitriol is occasionally funny but this is just nasty.  Is your head so far up your own ass that you presume to be able to judge Stan with such precision that you feel comfortable using this language to describe him?  I am absolutely disgusted at how readily some people can behave when the chips are down....or when they simply perceive them to be.

Actually I think it was indeed funny and surprisingly correct for NewMines' standards.

Some unimplemented feature is claimed to be solving 17+ problems (when it is not proven to solve even a single one) while the main product is left being a junk for 6 mo. ...in the mean time we can dream about all those great new features coming up!

congratulations tonyk2, you managed to say virtually the same thing without being nasty.  I don't want criticism to be stifled, but there are better ways.  We are going to reach our objective....does it have to be kicking and screaming?

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Dude, don't make him lie anymore. He now has to come up with 16 more issues that have been resolved besides a functioning user friendly decentralized blockchain exchange.

Stan is he Rush Limbaugh of Bitshares. So full of s#|*, hot air and himself. He just posts stuff to see himself post stuff.

Newmine, your vitriol is occasionally funny but this is just nasty.  Is your head so far up your own ass that you presume to be able to judge Stan with such precision that you feel comfortable using this language to describe him?  I am absolutely disgusted at how readily some people can behave when the chips are down....or when they simply perceive them to be.

Actually I think it was indeed funny and surprisingly correct for NewMines' standards.

Some unimplemented feature is claimed to be solving 17+ problems (when it is not proven to solve even a single one) while the main product is left being a junk for 6 mo. ...in the mean time we can dream about all those great new features coming up!

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Dude, don't make him lie anymore. He now has to come up with 16 more issues that have been resolved besides a functioning user friendly decentralized blockchain exchange.

Stan is he Rush Limbaugh of Bitshares. So full of s#|*, hot air and himself. He just posts stuff to see himself post stuff.

Newmine, your vitriol is occasionally funny but this is just nasty.  Is your head so far up your own ass that you presume to be able to judge Stan with such precision that you feel comfortable using this language to describe him?  I am absolutely disgusted at how readily some people can behave when the chips are down....or when they simply perceive them to be.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2015, 09:46:53 pm by Ben Mason »

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Read again, i am talking about how they speak and not what they are doing

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I don+t like this tone newmine and kencode. Far too aggressive, even if you want to do something good who are you, special people or something, pff, bad

Kencode is doing plenty of good work. 
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I don+t like this tone newmine and kencode. Far too aggressive, even if you want to do something good who are you, special people or something, pff, bad

zerosum

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Stan - "Posting pictures of puppies" is good  :)

Stan -  "Marketing" not so much....




I personally suggest :

Stan - Miscellaneous. including "Posting pictures of puppies, cartoon characters, rockets etc.",
« Last Edit: May 12, 2015, 09:21:11 pm by tonyk2 »

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Here's the accountability roster again if some more of you want to give me a hand:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hh8jgvruJmWm4UDRJSSdz3rUqBDDEQWfjzMwJUI3z1o/edit#gid=0 
 
I think this thing can be good for BitShares.
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It takes MONTHS to get your alexa up.
We have so much to offer that doesn't require any media too, subjects like decentralized dns, or:
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=how+to+form+a+DAC
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=how+to+decentralize+my+company
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=why+should+I+decentralize+my+company
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=crypto+trading+without+government+risk
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=crypto+trading+with+less+government+risk
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=how+to+avoid+the+bail-ins
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=how+to+protect+my+wealth+from+bank+runs
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=how+to+financially+survive+without+a+bank
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=list+the+best+paying+savings+accounts
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=how+to+send+money+to+ukraine
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=are+my+crypto+coins+safe
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=how+do+I+save+for+my+kids+education
 
Our image SUCKS.
Nobody knows we exist.
 
We have 101 Delegates too! 101!!
 
I ran some reports on github. You've got like 10 really active Delegates coding in there. Yes, 10.
Another 30 Delegates appear to be off and on coding.
Fuzzy is his own beast, everyone knows he works his ass off.
That leaves roughly 60 people getting paid to do what for us? Run a node?
When their node is running, what else are they doing to entice a WHALE?
 
We need ALL HANDS ON DECK.
I REFUSE to show any wall street brokers, bankers or wealth protection firms BitShares right now. (you know, WHALES). Why?
 
Our image SUCKS.
Nobody knows we exist.
 
When you build a successful company, you hit the ground running and you grit your teeth and you fire your big guns every single day! You grab every body you  can, you put their asses to work and you show them the returns of their hard work.

Unfortunately, the grassroots volunteer initiatives by almost everyone dried up when the marketing delegate thing happened and when the bulk marketing discussion was moved off of bitsharestalk for so called privacy reasons.
People will naturally not work for free while other 'marketers' are being paid by the blockchain for their efforts.  This dichotomy has taken a toll on marketing numbers, we now expect a selected few marketing delegates to shoulder the load which has not worked out very well. We have little to no daily presence on bitcointalk or reddit, we have only a handful of related websites, no social media presence outside of the bitshares operated ones and the number of new account sign-ups per day has been going down since the beginning http://bitsharesblocks.com/charts/accounts. The one thing that partially motivated me as a 'volunteer' who has spent about $100 and over 100 hours developing two bitshares related domains was the referral system, which unfortunately appears abandoned except as a means to see how few sign-ups our 'marketers' actually get https://faucet.bitshares.org/refscoreboard.

Marketing delegates have never been paid (funds went toward advertising costs) which is why they all burned out. marketing.methodx is not controlled by me anymore and as far as I know the funds are being used to provide liquidity for metaexchange.
I think he was referring to the perception of delegates getting paid.  Technically "funds went toward advertising" means you got to spend "not your money" on the costs where the assroots guys would've had to spend all of their own funds.

As I recall well before you joined the community there were a number of grassroot marketing delegates seeking funding from I3/Bytemaster, for ad costs and marketing ideas and nothing even warranted a response from Bytemaster and Stan camp mainly because the previous AdamKErnest known as Brian Page was around.

Another one of the 17+ recurring issues that are about to become moot.
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Why is that Stan?

Dude, don't make him lie anymore. He now has to come up with 16 more issues that have been resolved besides a functioning user friendly decentralized blockchain exchange.

Stan is he Rush Limbaugh of Bitshares. So full of s#|*, hot air and himself. He just posts stuff to see himself post stuff.

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Adam was hired in part specifically because of SEO skills iirc

As I predicted Adam won't and will never bring anything tangible or worthwhile to Bitshares. Good thing bytemaster paid him $400K worth of losses in BTS. It actually makes me smile that the $500K investment in Adam is now worth $100K. It's the one golden thing that has come from the Merger.

I will love revisiting this topic every 6 months.

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Marketing delegates have never been paid (funds went toward advertising costs) which is why they all burned out. marketing.methodx is not controlled by me anymore and as far as I know the funds are being used to provide liquidity for metaexchange.

Yeah, the price decline meant that the funds just werent there to pay anyone.

I think that right now, pretty much all our paid delegates are doing something useful with the funds.  Either they are devs getting paid way less than market rates, or they are spending it on helping promotions like minebitshares, or the argentina bitUSD giveaways.
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It takes MONTHS to get your alexa up.
We have so much to offer that doesn't require any media too, subjects like decentralized dns, or:
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=how+to+form+a+DAC
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=how+to+decentralize+my+company
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=why+should+I+decentralize+my+company
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=crypto+trading+without+government+risk
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=crypto+trading+with+less+government+risk
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=how+to+avoid+the+bail-ins
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=how+to+protect+my+wealth+from+bank+runs
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=how+to+financially+survive+without+a+bank
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=list+the+best+paying+savings+accounts
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=how+to+send+money+to+ukraine
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=are+my+crypto+coins+safe
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2#q=how+do+I+save+for+my+kids+education
 
Our image SUCKS.
Nobody knows we exist.
 
We have 101 Delegates too! 101!!
 
I ran some reports on github. You've got like 10 really active Delegates coding in there. Yes, 10.
Another 30 Delegates appear to be off and on coding.
Fuzzy is his own beast, everyone knows he works his ass off.
That leaves roughly 60 people getting paid to do what for us? Run a node?
When their node is running, what else are they doing to entice a WHALE?
 
We need ALL HANDS ON DECK.
I REFUSE to show any wall street brokers, bankers or wealth protection firms BitShares right now. (you know, WHALES). Why?
 
Our image SUCKS.
Nobody knows we exist.
 
When you build a successful company, you hit the ground running and you grit your teeth and you fire your big guns every single day! You grab every body you  can, you put their asses to work and you show them the returns of their hard work.

Unfortunately, the grassroots volunteer initiatives by almost everyone dried up when the marketing delegate thing happened and when the bulk marketing discussion was moved off of bitsharestalk for so called privacy reasons.
People will naturally not work for free while other 'marketers' are being paid by the blockchain for their efforts.  This dichotomy has taken a toll on marketing numbers, we now expect a selected few marketing delegates to shoulder the load which has not worked out very well. We have little to no daily presence on bitcointalk or reddit, we have only a handful of related websites, no social media presence outside of the bitshares operated ones and the number of new account sign-ups per day has been going down since the beginning http://bitsharesblocks.com/charts/accounts. The one thing that partially motivated me as a 'volunteer' who has spent about $100 and over 100 hours developing two bitshares related domains was the referral system, which unfortunately appears abandoned except as a means to see how few sign-ups our 'marketers' actually get https://faucet.bitshares.org/refscoreboard.

Marketing delegates have never been paid (funds went toward advertising costs) which is why they all burned out. marketing.methodx is not controlled by me anymore and as far as I know the funds are being used to provide liquidity for metaexchange.